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[Timmy Ziggy]

So there I was, doing nothing, thinking of Mass Effect (as one does), specifically on how I plan to do my first full playthrough from Mass Effect 1 all the way to 3. Annoyingly, since i played both games numerous times, I cant play spontaneously - I have to plan out my Shep's background, personality, LI etc for it to feel cohesive. So I start from the beginning, which was fairly easy, Earthborn. We all know that ME3 starts on Earth, makes the intro more poignant for someone born there. Then comes the choice between War Hero, Sole Survivor and Ruthless. Now everyone knows we're forced to work with Cerberus in ME2, so I pretty much instantly ticked SS off. And that's when I stopped.

One thing that alot of people on BSN complain about is how Shep doesn't develop as a character, which is both true and false, depending how you play. Another complaint is how Bioware has railroaded us into choices we would never make (SS Shep joining Cerberus). So I'm trying to work out how to develop SS Shep over the course of the three games, whilst making the most of the choices I've been forced into. If anyone else thinks that SS Shep makes no sense whatsoever, I'd like to explain a possibility on how it does infact make sense for Mass Effect 1 and 2:

1) Cerberus:
Theyre all about human advancement, right? Biotic camps, husk/creeper/rachni armies, Geth reprogramming, sending Thresher maws to test the soldiers capabilities in dire situations etc. Who's the one person that's managed to rectify every botched experiment? Its Shepard, of course. Who do Cerberus spend 4 million credits on the bring back to life? Shepard. If not for Cerberus, Shep would not be the soldier they are today (cos we totally live in the year 2185). My Shep's gonna thank TIM by the end of Mass Effect 2 for everything they gave him, even after going a vengeance strike to all their outposts after finding out what happened to Toombs.

2) Jack:
A Sole Survivor Shep and Jack both have things in common: a pretty crappy history, painful experiences from Cerberus, and are both really powerful humans. Jack is also pretty hesitant to work for Cerberus unless she finds Pragia. So not only is Shep gonna develop, but his LI is going to aswell.

3) Mass Effect 3:
I haven't read the scripts, but this is where I have no clue where to carry on... Shep joins the alliance again, though he has a new ally in Cerberus, but now they're a major antagonist. How the hell do I make use of this!? He might just have to go back to hating them.

TLDR: Shep could eventually learn to accept Cerb, but ME3 puts a spanner in the works because they're now evil. So no, it doesn't make sense

Did i just make my own topic redundant?

[Labrev]

If your Shepard is grateful for being lured into the nest of a giant, carnivorous earthworm - escaping with his life only by dumb luck - I think he suffered a lot more than just emotional trauma on Akuze.

[mango smoothie]

My Shepard is a Sole Survivor, but had no problem working with Cerberus. He might still have a grudge, but he didn't let it get in the way of helping those colonists. That just matches my character though which is based off of me, and I don't let the past totally dictate my decisions or attitude.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 05 décembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[AdmiralCheez]

For my sole survivors, I just go with the ol' "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Cerberus may be the reason Shep's life is f*cked up forever, but they DID bring Shep back to life, and if working with them means saving those colonists and smacking down some Reaper pawns, so be it.

Seems awfully petty not to work with Cerberus, tbh. Doesn't mean you have to like it, and doesn't mean you aren't allowed to expect any backstabbing.

[Blze001]

I don't have a sole survivor, but I think what Cheez said about "enemy of my enemy" is applicable.

This happens all the time in the real world: think of the Taliban and the CIA during the 80s. Neither side really liked each other, and eventually came to blows themselves, but at that point in time their hatred of the Soviets was greater.

[DonutsDealer]

My Sole Survivor joined Cerberus to fight the reapers and backstab Cerberus when he had a chance-which he did with the Collector base.

[lauda69]

my renagade shep was a sole survivor and he is one ruthless sob, his coop w/ cerberus is circumstantial compared to the need to defend the galaxy, especially since they area the only ones doing anything about it,

[ODST 5723]

I only play Sole Survivor and I have no love for Ceberus, whatsoever.

Time and time again, Cerberus has put lives in jeopardy, including Shepard's. Time and time again they prove incapable of controlling their experiments. Time and time again they prove that they are willing to sacrifice what makes us human in order to further the goals of a single man by any means necessary.

So while my Sheps sign on for the mission he did not sign on to Ceberus. First, because it's a chance for payback against the Collectors for what they did to my Shepard and the crew of the Normandy. Second, because there's too much inaction when the plight of human colonies is clear and yet neither the Alliance or the Council is focused on it. Third, because it allows me to get insight on my enemy. Fourth, because it allows me to spend a lot of TIM's money as I see fit.. Fifth, because no one in Cerberus can be trusted to make the decisions that are necessary. Sixth, and most importantly, because if it's connected to the Reapers, I need to be there to stop them.

And I blow that base up everytime. Because if there's one group that shouldn't have access to more Reaper tech, it's Cerberus.

[ODST 5723]

Considering the trap set by Cerberus on Edolus, Toombs assertions become more credible.

[Andorfiend]

You know, that was something that irritated me in LotSB. When you and the Asari Spectre are going back and forth, she chews you out for being with Cerberus. Almost everywhere else in the game you get an "I'm not with them, I'm using them." dialogue option, but not there. You kind of have to defend Cerberus, and my SS Shep wants to kill Cerberus with a cheese grater.

[Nashiktal]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

For my sole survivors, I just go with the ol' "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Cerberus may be the reason Shep's life is f*cked up forever, but they DID bring Shep back to life, and if working with them means saving those colonists and smacking down some Reaper pawns, so be it.

Seems awfully petty not to work with Cerberus, tbh. Doesn't mean you have to like it, and doesn't mean you aren't allowed to expect any backstabbing.

I don't know cheeze. The lack of not even trying to work with anyone else was pretty awful and the whole "ILL NEVER WORK WITH YOU! Alright where do we start? *SLAP SLAP KISS*" was incredibly derp.

I would prefer petty over derp.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 05 décembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[mineralica]

Mid Spoilers:

If you accepted what Cerberus did before, I'm sure ME3 won't be such a problem despite antagonistic status. It's still possible to see reason behing their actions.

/Spoilers



My only Earthborn / Sole Survivor (John) is fubar. Now he's lawful stupid - he doesn't trust himself in taking decision - every time he did so situation went wildly out of control. Alliance orders to do something - fine, TIM orders to do something - fine. In theory such situation might be developed in "Shepard deals with own problems and grows a spine", but I have no intention to "spoil" my "worst import".

Another pretty close guy is Spacer / Sole Survivor (Jack is LI). He looked that Cerberus rebuild him and said "Fine, guys, I'm going to fly across the galaxy wasting your money and smoking pot, jeez!". In other words, he decided to sabotage operation and do nothing. And then... Max met Jack and understood that he can simultaneously save all beautiful in this world (namely Jack's sad expressive eyes) and simultaneously save the day.

If your character is rather paragonish despite being Earthborn, it might be as my Mona (Earthborn / War Hero). Shepard knows very well how it feels to just be a number in statistics and can't step aside, knowing that every week s/he lost cost in thousand of colonists, which can't even protect themselves. LI in this case will be the thing which makes this fight - and survival in such fight - personal.

[Spiratic]

A.J. Shep is a colonist soul survivor. So even though he can't wait to put boot to Cerberus ass he also cannot abide innocent colonists to be hung out to dry. Cerberus gives him a chance to not only rectify that but also to avenge his fallen crew from the Normandy, not to mention put boot to ass of those collectors who had the nerve to try to eliminate him. That buys them a temporary pass.

[LPPrince]

My canon Shepard is a Sole Survivor. He only worked with Cerberus because it was the best thing he could do for humanity as a whole and they were the only ones actively working against the Reapers.

Once my Shepard has the chance, which is at the end of ME2, Shepard tells them to go to hell.

He'll never forget Akuze or any of the things Cerberus had a hand in during ME1.

[bleetman]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Seems awfully petty not to work with Cerberus, tbh. Doesn't mean you have to like it, and doesn't mean you aren't allowed to expect any backstabbing.

Whilst I'd agree with this, the inability to ever actually mention it grates me a little.

Like, say, during one of Miranda's "it's TIM, go TIM, it's your birthday" speeches, or when she suggests that Shepard ought to join Cerberus. Having a "screw off, you lot fed my squad to thresher maws. As soon as we're done here, all bets are off" option wouldn't have hurt.

(Or when Shepard asks Jacob what Cerberus has done to make him nervous. Really, Shepard? Really?)

Modifié par bleetman, 05 décembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Gespenst]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

If your Shepard is grateful for being lured into the nest of a giant, carnivorous earthworm - escaping with his life only by dumb luck - I think he suffered a lot more than just emotional trauma on Akuze.

Please, that was all skill.

I don't find Sole Survivour Shepard working with Cerberus to save the galaxy as odd as say Colonist and War Hero/Ruthless Shepards not having a deep abiding hate for all Batarians everywhere. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if some Shepards would have wanted to go looking for more big asteroids after arrival...

[StarcloudSWG]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

For my sole survivors, I just go with the ol' "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Cerberus may be the reason Shep's life is f*cked up forever,

[citation needed]

You only know they experimented on Toombs and were part of some "classified (Alliance) project on Akuze". Whether or not they were actually repsonsible for the massacre is still up in the air.

classified military project on Akuze: "What are the effects of Thresher Maw poison on human beings? What attracts and repels Thresher Maws?"

Seriously, you didn't add two and two together to get four? Cerberus set up the project. They got a platoon of Marines to land near an area known to be inhabited by Thresher Maws. They used the Marines as bait to study Thresher Maw behavior, and what causes Thresher Maws to attack. They clearly did this without the Marines knowledge. And when it was over, they scooped up the one surviving Marine (Toombs) who was left behind and experimented on him.

This was all obvious in ME, if you paid attention to what was being said during that mission, even throwing out the more hysterical claims by Toombs. And then in ME 2, if the scientist survived, there's a news story about him *admitting* Cerberus was behind it.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 05 décembre 2011 - 07:47 .

[bleetman]

I would've thought the fact Toombs tells you it was Cerberus would've made it clear enough already. I guess not.

[LPPrince]

And Dr. Wayne confirmed it, if I recall correctly.

[naledgeborn]

Anybody watch Burn Notice? Role-play your Shepard as Micheal Westen. WWMWD in those circumstances? More often than not he'd team up with his enemy to fry the bigger fish. It's been working really well for me, especially since I started watching and playing the first Mass Effect at about the same time.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[_purifico_]

Timmy Ziggy wrote...

So there I was, doing nothing, thinking of Mass Effect (as one does), specifically on how I plan to do my first full playthrough from Mass Effect 1 all the way to 3. Annoyingly, since i played both games numerous times, I cant play spontaneously - I have to plan out my Shep's background, personality, LI etc for it to feel cohesive. So I start from the beginning, which was fairly easy, Earthborn. We all know that ME3 starts on Earth, makes the intro more poignant for someone born there. Then comes the choice between War Hero, Sole Survivor and Ruthless. Now everyone knows we're forced to work with Cerberus in ME2, so I pretty much instantly ticked SS off. And that's when I stopped.

One thing that alot of people on BSN complain about is how Shep doesn't develop as a character, which is both true and false, depending how you play. Another complaint is how Bioware has railroaded us into choices we would never make (SS Shep joining Cerberus). So I'm trying to work out how to develop SS Shep over the course of the three games, whilst making the most of the choices I've been forced into. If anyone else thinks that SS Shep makes no sense whatsoever, I'd like to explain a possibility on how it does infact make sense for Mass Effect 1 and 2:

1) Cerberus:
Theyre all about human advancement, right? Biotic camps, husk/creeper/rachni armies, Geth reprogramming, sending Thresher maws to test the soldiers capabilities in dire situations etc. Who's the one person that's managed to rectify every botched experiment? Its Shepard, of course. Who do Cerberus spend 4 million credits on the bring back to life? Shepard. If not for Cerberus, Shep would not be the soldier they are today (cos we totally live in the year 2185). My Shep's gonna thank TIM by the end of Mass Effect 2 for everything they gave him, even after going a vengeance strike to all their outposts after finding out what happened to Toombs.

2) Jack:
A Sole Survivor Shep and Jack both have things in common: a pretty crappy history, painful experiences from Cerberus, and are both really powerful humans. Jack is also pretty hesitant to work for Cerberus unless she finds Pragia. So not only is Shep gonna develop, but his LI is going to aswell.

3) Mass Effect 3:
I haven't read the scripts, but this is where I have no clue where to carry on... Shep joins the alliance again, though he has a new ally in Cerberus, but now they're a major antagonist. How the hell do I make use of this!? He might just have to go back to hating them.

TLDR: Shep could eventually learn to accept Cerb, but ME3 puts a spanner in the works because they're now evil. So no, it doesn't make sense

Did i just make my own topic redundant?

I'm sorry, but point one in you post is the biggest load of bull**** I've ever seen. "Hey, Shep, guess what! I just killed your buddies in arms and almost killed you too, but that's ok, because in the end all this crap will make you a better soldier! So you should totally be thankful. Love, your TIM".

"Hey, Shep, guess what! We've just raped and killed all your family and those we did not kill we sold into slavery, but that's ok, because in the end all this crap will make you a better soldier! So you should totally be thankful. Love, your batarian slavers".
This is not how it works. Like ever. Sure, you might accept Tim's or the slavers help if the stakes are high. And I mean like really really high. But no sane person will EVER be thankful to anyone who killed off their loved ones. Uless they live in some kind of bizarro world. Which ME is obviously not.

[Soccer FeverMan]

[quote]Timmy Ziggy wrote...

1) Cerberus:
Theyre all about human advancement, right? Biotic camps, husk/creeper/rachni armies, Geth reprogramming, sending Thresher maws to test the soldiers capabilities in dire situations etc. Who's the one person that's managed to rectify every botched experiment? Its Shepard, of course. Who do Cerberus spend 4 million credits on the bring back to life? Shepard. If not for Cerberus, Shep would not be the soldier they are today (cos we totally live in the year 2185). My Shep's gonna thank TIM by the end of Mass Effect 2 for everything they gave him, even after going a vengeance strike to all their outposts after finding out what happened to Toombs.

[quote]

I don't get that exactly how would Shepard not be the Soldier He/She is today, Shepard has been in the military since He/She has been 18 years old at the begining of ME1 he/she is 29 thats 11 years, what exactly do you think Shepard doing for those 11 years before learning about Ceberus, eating pudding all day or somethin, and not to mention the fact that in ME1 cerberus was somewhat periphally related, and your completely diregarding the points of the missions Shep did to find saren and stop sovereign. Also you do realize what made Shepard the stuff of legendswas Torfan or Elysium or Akuze right. 

Modifié par Soccer FeverMan, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[Soccer FeverMan]

_purifico_ wrote...
I'm sorry, but point one in you post is the biggest load of bull**** I've ever seen. "Hey, Shep, guess what! I just killed your buddies in arms and almost killed you too, but that's ok, because in the end all this crap will make you a better soldier! So you should totally be thankful. Love, your TIM".

"Hey, Shep, guess what! We've just raped and killed all your family and those we did not kill we sold into slavery, but that's ok, because in the end all this crap will make you a better soldier! So you should totally be thankful. Love, your batarian slavers".
This is not how it works. Like ever. Sure, you might accept Tim's or the slavers help if the stakes are high. And I mean like really really high. But no sane person will EVER be thankful to anyone who killed off their loved ones. Uless they live in some kind of bizarro world. Which ME is obviously not.

Oh and this too basically...

and i've never played a Sole Survivor Shep.