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[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Yes, yes it is. Very much so.
She has become an important player on the Galactic Stage to the point where she has a private army. She could replace TIM and the Council as a quest giver. She even has her own bloody ship.
Putting her back on the Normandy and on Shepard's squad is as ridiculous as expecting to encounter The Illusive Man on the frontlines.

Not really. Shepard's clearly the spearhead in the fight against the Reapers. Liara is the Shadow Broker, one of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy (all of that means precisely dick if the Reapers win however). Makes sense they'd unite to fight the Reapers. And why rely on on remote communication that could potentially be disrupted when you can be right there feeding Shepard info directly?

[MassStorm]

I found funny how Mirimancers use plot excuses just to give some credits to their frustrations of not having Miranda as permanent members.

It always happened that their vision of how the plot should have been is always convenient for Miranda

Modifié par MassStorm, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[DJRackham]

alex90c wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Yes it is. Liars's entire presence after Mass Effect is contrived. The SB story arc was only created to throw her back into the spotlight. Otherwise she would have ceased being relevant after she said Illos. First and last reply to this topic.

When did Liara say "Illos"?

Did she say it while having a machine behind her?

Liara mentioned Illos as the location of the Conduit after her second Vulcan Mind Meld with Shepard following his/her encounter with the second Prothean beacon on Virmire

Modifié par DJRackham, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[alex90c]

And I find it funny how no matter how much whining people here do, Liara is going to be a full squadmate and their favourites are relegated to brief sections.

Sure, I'm being cruel about it but it's not like being nice would make them hate Liara any less.

*is smug*

[CrutchCricket]

MassStorm wrote...

I found funny how Mirimancers use plot excuses just to give some credits to their frustrations of not having Miranda as permanent members.

What are you on about? Let's not start one of those threads. This has nothing to do with Miranda.

Edit: not helping alex90c.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[DJRackham]

scampermax wrote...

DJRackham wrote...
No, the Shadow Broker arc was created in order to funnel money from player's pockets into EA/Bioware's coffers. 

The Shadow Broker arc was created so my Liaramancing Sheps could have an opportunity to embrace eternity in ME2.

Thank you BioWare.

Same thing 

[Xilizhra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Nah, just an argument on the wrong board. She did the sensible thing by not derailing that thread further. This could've gone in the Liara thread though.

Only people who already like her post there.

[Soccer FeverMan]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Yes, yes it is. Very much so.
She has become an important player on the Galactic Stage to the point where she has a private army. She could replace TIM and the Council as a quest giver. She even has her own bloody ship.
Putting her back on the Normandy and on Shepard's squad is as ridiculous as expecting to encounter The Illusive Man on the frontlines.

Not really. Shepard's clearly the spearhead in the fight against the Reapers. Liara is the Shadow Broker, one of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy (all of that means precisely dick if the Reapers win however). Makes sense they'd unite to fight the Reapers. And why rely on on remote communication that could potentially be disrupted when you can be right there feeding Shepard info directly?

You could say the same thing about TIM, and he still did it, im pretty sure Liara has the resources to buy that quantum entagle thingy, why exactly why would the Shadow Broker go out on the frontlines to potentially get her self killed. Did you not see that Mech break her back.

[MisterJB]

MassStorm wrote...

So that you can have Miranda as XO of Shepard.....very nice but that was not what were you thinking...obviously it is just for the sake of the plot....<_<

I would rather see Miranda become a foce to be reckoned with than forever Shepard's second, thank you very much.

[Soccer FeverMan]

alex90c wrote...

And I find it funny how no matter how much whining people here do, Liara is going to be a full squadmate and their favourites are relegated to brief sections.

Sure, I'm being cruel about it but it's not like being nice would make them hate Liara any less.

*is smug*

Wrong, it actually would make a difference to people, i know for a fact when people aren't smug about Tali being a permanent squadmate it makes me feel a little better that they understand my position. Same exact thing with Vega no problem with the dude but i just want Wrex or Grunt.

Modifié par Soccer FeverMan, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:52 .

[CrutchCricket]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...
You could say the same thing about TIM, and he still did it, im pretty sure Liara has the resources to buy that quantum entagle thingy, why exactly why would the Shadow Broker go out on the frontlines to potentially get her self killed. Did you not see that Mech break her back.

Maybe the characters would rather be near each other given that this is potentially the end? Even an unromanced Liara is very affectionate towards Shepard as a friend. I won't claim pragmatic reasons alone put her on the ship. But there are sufficient in-game reasons nonetheless. Besides if Shepard dies, there is a good chance the Reapers will win and she'll die anyway.

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

So that you can have Miranda as XO of Shepard.....very nice but that was not what were you thinking...obviously it is just for the sake of the plot....<_<

I would rather see Miranda become a foce to be reckoned with than forever Shepard's second, thank you very much.

Same.

Only squaddie I want in my Shep's shadow is Garrus. Everyone else needs to do their own thing.

[Vilio1]

alex90c wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Contrived or not, I wish I got the chance to not let her on my ship.

Well then you're just going to have to hope and pray you can find a way to penetrate her thick plot armour plating.

I hope she keeps the plot armor, the whining about it is far too amusing.

[Ryzaki]

I wouldn't give a damn about the plot armor if not for the forced friendship.

All Sheps do not like Liara like you do BW devs. Please for the love of god realize this. Same goes for Garrus and Tali.I mean for the love of christ I spent most of ME1 insulting and belittling her then in ME2 "OMG LIARA! *HUGS*" 

...Just...wat.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2011 - 08:55 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Not really. Shepard's clearly the spearhead in the fight against the Reapers. Liara is the Shadow Broker, one of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy (all of that means precisely dick if the Reapers win however). Makes sense they'd unite to fight the Reapers. And why rely on on remote communication that could potentially be disrupted when you can be right there feeding Shepard info directly?

By that logic, the Council should follow Shepard around too.
Or The Illusive Man should accompany Kai Leng to every fight because he is the spearhead in the figth against Shepard.

[MassStorm]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Not really. Shepard's clearly the spearhead in the fight against the Reapers. Liara is the Shadow Broker, one of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy (all of that means precisely dick if the Reapers win however). Makes sense they'd unite to fight the Reapers. And why rely on on remote communication that could potentially be disrupted when you can be right there feeding Shepard info directly?

By that logic, the Council should follow Shepard around too.
Or The Illusive Man should accompany Kai Leng to every fight because he is the spearhead in the figth against Shepard.

So you should be happy Miranda is not going to be Shepard's shadow..she is independent...

[TomY90]

I think Liara does deserve to be in ME3 but unsure if she needed to be a full squad member but I will wait to see how they explain how she is doing this when what happened in LoTSB.

but I would say everyone single character deserves to be in ME3, I just think some need to be full squad members more than others. (with Liara I am unsure on how they will progress the story arc it felt like the arc had finished in ME2)

The only other character that I feel does not need another arc is Garrus (not saying he doesn't deserve it he is a good character and a big fan of Garrus myself) my reason is because his story seems to follow no real pattern for one he said he was going to apply for spectre training in ME1, that never happened and became Robin Hood with his merry men in ME2 until one of the merry men was not so merry.

With Tali I am unsure if she does need it or not, I guess it depends on your decisions with Tali in ME2 if she is exiled then yes she does need another arc because they need to show what she will do now because her whole life has been about helping her kind. Whereas if she stays part of the flotilla her role is already obvious she will be part of the admiralty board helping to make decisions that will effect Quarian life.

The Vimire survivors certainly deserves another story arc considering they had no arc really during ME2 whereas all the others got an extra arc to theres.

and of course so does ME2 characters deserve another story arc (maybe except Zaeed and Kasumi because they were in for the money or something in reward) for obvious reasons that we need to know what they do after the events in ME2.

[jtav]

Miranda has bigger problems than squat status at this point. As for contrivance, well, yes. It does make her promotion to Shadow Broker seem rather pointless. I'm more angry about the fact that Liara and Shepard are forced friends to the point where Shepard will confide in her in a way s/he won't their actual love interest. It makes any fondness I have for Liara seem irrelevant, especially when the problem could be fixed with only slight tweaking.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
By that logic, the Council should follow Shepard around too.
Or The Illusive Man should accompany Kai Leng to every fight because he is the spearhead in the figth against Shepard.

The Council's blind and wouldn't know their shatterpoint if it smacked them in the face. Also none of these examples carry the emotional attachment I mentioned. Finally careful with spoilers I don't know who Kai Leng is (nor do I really care to know until March).

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Everyone who hates Garrus, Tali, or Liara deserves to be punished for their outright insanity.

Seriously though, if you want to be a douche, it looks like you get some opportunities in ME3.

Except that's just it. I shouldn't have to be a douche to not be friends with someone. My paragon does not like Liara. He wouldn't insult her (renedouche did that) but he also wouldn't hug her or do anything to suggest he wants to be close to her.

And I saw renedouche being douchey to everyone but Liara (didn't see too much doucheness towards Garrus either). Unless I missed something in the script? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:00 .