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[Soccer FeverMan]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...
You could say the same thing about TIM, and he still did it, im pretty sure Liara has the resources to buy that quantum entagle thingy, why exactly why would the Shadow Broker go out on the frontlines to potentially get her self killed. Did you not see that Mech break her back.

Maybe the characters would rather be near each other given that this is potentially the end? Even an unromanced Liara is very affectionate towards Shepard as a friend. I won't claim pragmatic reasons alone put her on the ship. But there are sufficient in-game reasons nonetheless. Besides if Shepard dies, there is a good chance the Reapers will win and she'll die anyway.

So your saying that She wants an emotional connection with someone what happened to Feron what about him, you forgot that not every Shepard likes Liara this is obvious. You also forgot that she is an important asset that can help Shepard win if shes on your ship and you take her out to battle and she dies...your f*cked in so many ways. And that ups Shepard chances or dying and kiss the rest of the galxy goodbye.


PS. Liara is my favorite romance so yeah...

[MisterJB]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I would rather see Miranda become a foce to be reckoned with than forever Shepard's second, thank you very much.

So if Miranda was changed to a permanent squad member, you would be disappointed that she was sticking around as Shepard's second?

If that excluded her from having an important role in the game besides shooting things with Shepard, then yes.

[HiroVoid]

I think going from unsocial archaeologist to skilled information broker was a bit contrived and really differed from her original goals in ME1. Hopefully, they'll do a good job at showing and explaining why she's out fighting and not collecting information in ME3.

[CrutchCricket]

What about Feron? He's already with her and what are you trying to imply that he and Shepard are interchangeable?
Also on the ship does not mean in combat. She can stay in her office all she wants but it's Shepard that makes the decision to take her into a fight.

[alex90c]

Ryzaki wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Everyone who hates Garrus, Tali, or Liara deserves to be punished for their outright insanity.

Seriously though, if you want to be a douche, it looks like you get some opportunities in ME3.

Except that's just it. I shouldn't have to be a douche to not be friends with someone. My paragon does not like Liara. He wouldn't insult her (renedouche did that) but he also wouldn't hug her or do anything to suggest he wants to be close to her.

And I saw renedouche being douchey to everyone but Liara (didn't see too much doucheness towards Garrus either). Unless I missed something in the script? 

You can be a bit mean to Liara at the end of LotSB when she asks to go up to the Normandy some time.

When I saw it on youtube I cringed because it just looked so harsh, but you can do it yourself if you want.

[The Elder King]

MassStorm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Yes, yes it is. Very much so.
She has become an important player on the Galactic Stage to the point where she has a private army. She could replace TIM and the Council as a quest giver. She even has her own bloody ship.
Putting her back on the Normandy and on Shepard's squad is as ridiculous as expecting to encounter The Illusive Man on the frontlines.

So that you can have Miranda as XO of Shepard.....very nice but that was not what were you thinking...obviously it is just for the sake of the plot....<_<

I agree with MisterJB, and while Miranda is one of my favourite squadmates (after Wrex, Legion and Mordin) any of the ME2 squadmates will be fine in Liara's (and Tali, due to her role in ME3)  place.
It's not that I don't like Liara. I like her. I romanced her. I simply think that her role in the galaxy is so big that her presence in the squad could've been filled by another squadmate.

Edit: and if I have two choices, having Miranda as a squadmate withouth being relevant to the plot or having Miranda being important to the plot and in the game, I'll choose the second option anytime.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:07 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
The Council's blind and wouldn't know their shatterpoint if it smacked them in the face.
 

Once the Reapers are here, I expect them to look to Shepard for answer spoilers ahead
like the Alliance Defense commitee did

Also none of these examples carry the emotional attachment I mentioned.

Thus we approach the problem of a forced friendship with Liara.
 

Finally careful with spoilers I don't know who Kai Leng is (nor do I really care to know until March).

Hardly a spoiler, Kai Len is introduced in "ME: Retribution"

[MisterJB]

MassStorm wrote...
So you should be happy Miranda is not going to be Shepard's shadow..she is independent...

I came to this thread to give my opinion on Liara and her role in ME3. You're the one who insisted on mentioning Miranda under the pretense that Mirimancers can't be upset with something unless it involves her.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Once the Reapers are here, I expect them to look to Shepard for answers

You may be disappointed.

Thus we approach the problem of a forced friendship with Liara.

Problem? I'm hearing you can tell her off in ME3. Where's the problem?
 

Hardly a spoiler, Kai Len is introduced in "ME: Retribution"

Fair enough. Just letting you know. Haven't read Retribution and if he plays a part in ME3 I don't wanna know about it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:09 .

[Trinity66]

ME1 squaddies deserve to be in ME3. They're are Shepards true friends, they supports him/her.
They joined you because they wanted to help you and they trusted you. ME2 squaddies are just there to help defeat collectors and you need to help them through daddy issues, so they'll be loyal to you.
Of course they can be fun to talk to, but I don't feel that connection like with my old squad.

[Jeanne22]

Ryzaki wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Everyone who hates Garrus, Tali, or Liara deserves to be punished for their outright insanity.

Seriously though, if you want to be a douche, it looks like you get some opportunities in ME3.

Except that's just it. I shouldn't have to be a douche to not be friends with someone. My paragon does not like Liara. He wouldn't insult her (renedouche did that) but he also wouldn't hug her or do anything to suggest he wants to be close to her.

And I saw renedouche being douchey to everyone but Liara (didn't see too much doucheness towards Garrus either). Unless I missed something in the script? 

Because there is no ingame reason for Shepard to hate Liara or Garrus (Shepard doesn't care about plot-armor, DLCs or obnoxious fanbases).

[MassStorm]

hhh89 wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Yes, yes it is. Very much so.
She has become an important player on the Galactic Stage to the point where she has a private army. She could replace TIM and the Council as a quest giver. She even has her own bloody ship.
Putting her back on the Normandy and on Shepard's squad is as ridiculous as expecting to encounter The Illusive Man on the frontlines.

So that you can have Miranda as XO of Shepard.....very nice but that was not what were you thinking...obviously it is just for the sake of the plot....<_<

I agree with MisterJB, and while Miranda is one of my favourite squadmates (after Wrex, Legion and Mordin) any of the ME2 squadmates will be fine in Liara's (and Tali, due to her role in ME3)  place.
It's not that I don't like Liara. I like her. I romanced her. I simply think that her role in the galaxy is so big that her presence in the squad could've been filled by another squadmate.

Edit: and if I have two choices, having Miranda as a squadmate withouth being relevant to the plot or having Miranda being important to the plot and in the game, I'll choose the second option anytime.

I think that discussing who deserves to be part of the team pretending to have an objective view on that is quite impossible because my, your and everybody else opinion are profoundly biased by our personal preferences. There is no objective viewpoint on this matter except from what BW decides. Seems that BW decided differently from what the majority of ME2 fans expected  so it is not to me nor to you to criticize how they have developed the plot.....without having played the game BTW

Modifié par MassStorm, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Problem? I'm hearing you can tell her off in ME3. Where's the problem?

In ME1 you can threaten to throw Liara into a volcano if she is not useful.
In ME2, the first thing Shepard does when he sees her is hug her. And you can't choose not to.
That's a problem.

[The Elder King]

Trinity66 wrote...

ME1 squaddies deserve to be in ME3. They're are Shepards true friends, they supports him/her.
They joined you because they wanted to help you and they trusted you. ME2 squaddies are just there to help defeat collectors and you need to help them through daddy issues, so they'll be loyal to you.
Of course they can be fun to talk to, but I don't feel that connection like with my old squad.

Kaidan and Ashley are with you not because they trusted you. Tali joined you to be safe from Saren (though she helps a lot with her data).
I love both games's companions, so I'd have preferred if the squad was a bit mixed.

[kumquats]

JamieCOTC wrote...

You bet. Treat them like subordinates, or friends. Your choice. - Mac Walters

https://twitter.com/...878664907755521

Moving on.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
In ME1 you can threaten to throw Liara into a volcano if she is not useful.
In ME2, the first thing Shepard does when he sees her is hug her. And you can't choose not to.
That's a problem.

Does she go for it first?  Also it may just be a function of being dead for two years.

[Melra]

alex90c wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Everyone who hates Garrus, Tali, or Liara deserves to be punished for their outright insanity.

Seriously though, if you want to be a douche, it looks like you get some opportunities in ME3.

Except that's just it. I shouldn't have to be a douche to not be friends with someone. My paragon does not like Liara. He wouldn't insult her (renedouche did that) but he also wouldn't hug her or do anything to suggest he wants to be close to her.

And I saw renedouche being douchey to everyone but Liara (didn't see too much doucheness towards Garrus either). Unless I missed something in the script? 

You can be a bit mean to Liara at the end of LotSB when she asks to go up to the Normandy some time.

When I saw it on youtube I cringed because it just looked so harsh, but you can do it yourself if you want.

Oh that's so terrible. :innocent:

I just find Liara quite uninteresting, especially since she just seems to be turned into something that she's clearly not at the start, simply to have her as big part of the story. And now when they've done that, they somehow have to get her back to team up with Shepard, while she could be just handling the intelligence stuff from her own ship. I'd rather have Kasumi as permanent squadmate than Liara or any of the other fulltimers (except Kaidan).

[The Elder King]

MassStorm wrote...


I think that discussing who deserves to be part of the team pretending to have an objective view on that is quite impossible because my, your and everybody else opinion are profoundly biased by our personal preferences. There is no objective viewpoint on this matter except from what BW decides. Seems that BW decided differently from what the majority of ME2 fans expected  so it is not to me nor to you to criticize how they have developed the plot.....without having played the game BTW

I love both ME and ME2 companions. The two squadmates I like most are one from ME (Wrex) and one from ME2 (Legion). I like a lot Kaidan and Garrus, and I like Tali and Liara. I like the ME3 squad. All I wanted was bit more mixed squad, so that I can enjoy some of ME's squadmate and some of ME2's squadmate.
And I wasn't criticizing the plot.

Jeanne22 wrote...
Because there is
no ingame reason for Shepard to hate Liara or Garrus (Shepard doesn't
care about plot-armor, DLCs or obnoxious fanbases).

A xenophobic Shepard could hate Liara or Garrus. Or simply a Shepard that doesn't like their personality.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:22 .

[Trinity66]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Problem? I'm hearing you can tell her off in ME3. Where's the problem?

In ME1 you can threaten to throw Liara into a volcano if she is not useful.
In ME2, the first thing Shepard does when he sees her is hug her. And you can't choose not to.
That's a problem.

Poor thing, and Miranda covered half of my screen with her ass and I didn't ask her to do so.

[Melra]

Trinity66 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Problem? I'm hearing you can tell her off in ME3. Where's the problem?

In ME1 you can threaten to throw Liara into a volcano if she is not useful.
In ME2, the first thing Shepard does when he sees her is hug her. And you can't choose not to.
That's a problem.

Poor thing, and Miranda covered half of my screen with her ass and I didn't ask her to do so.

Atleast it was mighty fine piece of ass, especially if it somehow managed to draw your focus on it even when I didn't even pay attention until some people mentioned it.

[Ryzaki]

Jeanne22 wrote...
Because there is no ingame reason for Shepard to hate Liara or Garrus (Shepard doesn't care about plot-armor, DLCs or obnoxious fanbases).

Really? You don't think Shepard could be bitter about be restored back to life via Lazarus project and having his BF/Lover hating him because Liara couldn't be bothered to share intel? Really? 

Garrus yeah sure I can get behind Garrus but Shep has plenty of reason to dislike Liara.

Not to mention you don't have to hate someone not to want to be friends with them.

alex90c wrote...

You can be a bit mean to Liara at the end of LotSB when she asks to go up to the Normandy some time.

When I saw it on youtube I cringed because it just looked so harsh, but you can do it yourself if you want.

I
really didn't see that as being mean though. Just professional. It's a
bit sad though I lose out on my Shep's dogtags but I was thankful for
the option to avoid her. But considering I had to go through the whole buddy buddy act the whole DLC it was too little too late.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:31 .

[Someone With Mass]

Trinity66 wrote...
Poor thing, and Miranda covered half of my screen with her ass and I didn't ask her to do so.

Don't worry. She and *spoiler*Kai Leng*spoiler* will have such a lovely meeting in ME3.

By the way, gaining the full support of the Shadow Broker in ME3 has pretty awesome perks.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Jeanne22]

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? You don't think Shepard could be bitter about be restored back to life via Lazarus project and having his BF/Lover hating him because Liara couldn't be bothered to share intel? Really? 

No. Your Shepard doesn't like being alive anymore? Shoot yourself - problem solved.

[ADLegend21]

she's the shadow broker she doesn't need to be fighting on the ground when she can be pulling strings to have every situation go in Shepard's favor to the best of her SB abilities.

[Ryzaki]

Jeanne22 wrote...

No. Your Shepard doesn't like being alive anymore? Shoot yourself - problem solved.

Clearly not wanting to be brought back to life by a terrorist organization means one's suicidal. Obviously.

Ugh. I never thought I'd see the day where I detested a character more than Near.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:40 .