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[DiebytheSword]

PrimalEden wrote...

Does anyone still laugh at the irony of Liara refusing to join Shepard at first in ME2 because of Feron and the only reason she actually found Feron was because of Shepard? All that time, Liara could have saved herself a load of trouble if she had actually gotten onto the Normandy and now people are saying it makes more sense to not have her on the Normandy now that she's the Shadow Broker.
Did the leaks actually mention the Shadow Broker's ship being compromised and Liara needing to run? Maybe that's a good thing that all that power is out of her hands. We've all seen what happened to the previous Shadow Brokers. Next thing you know, she'll be replaced by a volus.
I'm with Ryzaki on this: Liara will be a lot less obnoxious to have around when she's as vulnerable as the rest of the team.

Yes, there is a reason she is with Shep and not on Halgalaz.  I'd be willing to share that info, but not out in a public thread.

I agree, it will be nice to have her neck deep in the effort, and I pretty much agree with Ionlysignin's positioning on that.

[Wulfram]

(2) She's also a Matriarch-level Biotic

Is she?  Of course mechanically she's at least as good as Samara, but I can't recall anyone in-character calling her out as exceptionally powerful.

[Ryzaki]

I know Vasir was impressed by her barrier but that was about it. I definitely didn't hear anything about her being as strong as a matriach.

[Neria Rose]

Well, now, what have we here? I recall some Liara-loving person stating that I post in every Liara thread (although they never did prove that I've ever posted in the main one), so I must hold to that. Suffice it to say I've despised the character since 2008 and I do think her involvement in ME2 and subsequently ME3 are contrived. Whatever, I'm looking forward to finally ending her. If Bioware has changed its mind about that detail, I'll just have to enjoy being cruel whenever my Shepard is inevitably forced to interact with her.

In response to that other 'omgz Liara 4eva' person who mentioned how much they can't handle my negativity with regards to the blue thing, here's some entirely unrelated positivity for you: omgz I frickin' luv Aric Jorgan. Damn him and his pixelated sexiness making me roll a trooper way earlier than planned (not first, though).

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to finish shooting zombies.

Edit: Odd format and spelling.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 06 décembre 2011 - 02:24 .

[PauseforEffect]

Liara's a bit too young to be a matriarch, isn't she? Good to know, DieBytheSword, I'm ok with leaving that bit of info alone for now.

[ForteSJGR]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
I think everybody in Shepard's team is just assumed to be among the best in whatever it is they do.

Then where's Wolverine...hmmmmm?

Modifié par ForteSJGR, 06 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Xilizhra]

Interesting. By my count, absolutely no one has responded to any of the issues in my opening post.

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Interesting. By my count, absolutely no one has responded to any of the issues in my opening post.

Yeah, it basically just turned into an argument between those who liked Liara and those who didn't. I'm pretty sure we won, which is good.

You know what they say about arguing on the internet no? 

Even if you win...

[CrutchCricket]

Xilizhra wrote...

Interesting. By my count, absolutely no one has responded to any of the issues in my opening post.

I've already said she could be on the Shadow Broker ship still, provided she could fly it out of there. No data on that though. Either that ship (wish we'd get a name for it) or the Normandy is acceptable. Personally I really hope they save the ship even if she's not on it.

[SlottsMachine]

What was the point of this thread anyway. Seems to me that Xilizhra is annoyed with a few butthurt fans regarding Bioware's preferential treatment of Liara, and I can understand that. It bugs me too when people starting railing on characters I like, but at the end of the day Liara is on the squad and Jack, Miranda, Thane, etc are not. Putting up with a few frustrated fans is a small price for getting Liara back on the squad.

[Yuqi]

CrutchCricket wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
Yes it is. Liars's entire presence after Mass Effect is contrived. The SB story arc was only created to throw her back into the spotlight. Otherwise she would have ceased being relevant after she said Illos. First and last reply to this topic.

Every ME2 character's presence is contrived. They were created for the sole purpose of having expendable squad mates accompany you on the suicide mission. Also this entire story was contrived for the purpose of making money.

This really isn't an argument for anything. This is what we have. Discussing reasons for its existence is pointless.

^ Pretty Much this..

Liara,Garus,Tali and V.S were there in the begining, so they deserve to be there most in the end.

[MACharlie1]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

jreezy wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

(2) She's also a Matriarch-level Biotic, the only squadmate (in fact, the only character besides Adept Shepard) in the trilogy capable of using Singularity. This means Liara should be fighting. If not by Shepard's side, she'll be fighting somewhere unseen. Now *that* is what I would call "contrived".

Where did you get that from?

I played two games. They are called Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. Perhaps you've heard of them.

She can use Singularity true but nobody ever said her biotics were matriarch level. 

[DiebytheSword]

Xilizhra wrote...


I don't believe Liara suffered any contrivances to keep her in. She's one of only three squadmates (admittedly including DLC) to be on the team for both earlier games, and I can't imagine she'd really want to not stay close to Shepard to ensure that she doesn't die this time. In any case, the location of the Hagalaz base was compromised by Cerberus, so she'd have to leave anyway when Cerberus turned on the galaxy. Not only that, she'd probably need to stay mobile because people would likely be after her head. When you factor in the Normandy's excellent (AI) computer system, there's no reason for her to not be on the Normandy.
 

Since you asked nicely, I'll bite.

I agree that her presence is not at all contrived.  A heavily bugged Ceberus vessel took her to Halgalaz to take out the Shadow Broker.  We know that Ceberus didn't like her being the SB, and being close to Shepard (its right in the mission end report that they need to be watched.)

Excellent point on EDI's powerful hardware and communiction abilities.  In addition, the Normandy is arguably the hardest vessel in the galaxy to actually find.  If its on the move and stealthed, its pretty much not findable.

[SlottsMachine]

Treating gameplay mechanics as lore, tsk tsk.

[CrutchCricket]

Jack is not matriarch level.

[CrutchCricket]

Lore? Really? Examples?

[Ryzaki]

...If we're using gameplay as power levels Shep can curb stomp pretty much everyone *

[spirosz]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

(2) She's also a Matriarch-level Biotic, the only squadmate (in fact, the only character besides Adept Shepard) in the trilogy capable of using Singularity. This means Liara should be fighting. If not by Shepard's side, she'll be fighting somewhere unseen. Now *that* is what I would call "contrived".

IMO, that has to do more with gameplay than their actual combat skill.  Is it also stated anywhere that she's reached the potenial of a Matriarch at this point of her life?  

Modifié par spiros9110, 06 décembre 2011 - 04:28 .