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Liara's presence in ME3 is not contrived


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Cthulhu42 wrote...

The thing I've never gotten is why Jack is referred to as the most powerful human biotic when Adept Shepard is so obviously superior.


Again, gameplay IMO. 

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Lore? Really? Examples?

Harbinger is impressed by Jack's Biotic potential, but not Samara's.

Jack is by lore the most powerful Human Biotic alive. Asari Biotics are said to be powerful, but not completely above that of the aliens. Many Asari choose not to use/train in their Biotics.

Jack has been trained/enhanced since birth, and the results of the experiments on her were even more successful than the researchers had anticipated. The research objective of Teltin Facility was to create a Human Biotic comparable to Asari Matriarchs. Jack had apparently exceeded that objective.

Clarification: By "Matriarch level" I mean there are plenty of Asari Matriarchs with comparable power level to Jack/Liara. I do not mean that Jack/Liara are as powerful as the *most powerful* Asari Matriarchs, such as Benezia. Given that the Asari has the largest population in the galaxy and one third of them are Matriarchs, it is safe to assume that Matriarchs have a wide range of power levels. 

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I honestly think Biotic strength levels are so nebulous that its difficult to fight for any certainties.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...
Harbinger is impressed by Jack's Biotic potential, but not Samara's.

Jack is by lore the most powerful Human Biotic alive. Asari Biotics are said to be powerful, but not completely above that of the aliens. Many Asari choose not to use/train in their Biotics. Jack has been trained/enhanced since birth, and the results of the experiments on her were more successful than the researchers had anticipated.


Jack is impressive for a human, Samara may not be impressive for an asari. This isn't conclusive.

Asari biotics on average are stronger than human biotics. They also don't need amps to use their powers effectively. Jack still does. Hence she is strong, but not necessarily asari strong and definitely not matriarch strong. Finally matriarch isn't necessarily a power level. The asari may gain in wisdom and experience but not necessarily in ability. This accounts for your edit on different matriarchs.

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DiebytheSword wrote...

I honestly think Biotic strength levels are so nebulous that its difficult to fight for any certainties.


This.

Specially since the powers seem so random at times.

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I would rather have Liara on my team than MJ. At least she has a personality.

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Quole wrote...

I would rather have Liara on my team than MJ. At least she has a personality.


MJ ?

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feliciano2040 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I would rather have Liara on my team than MJ. At least she has a personality.


MJ ?

MJ aka Miranda aka Child Molester.

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I've figured it out.

Quole hates all the female characters that aren't Tali because he sees them and their fanbases as competition.

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Liara... personality? Monotonous Liara from Mass Effect? Umm try again. And the MJ joke... old news.

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..how is Miranda a child molester?

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I've figured it out.

Quole hates all the female characters that aren't Tali because he sees them and their fanbases as competition.

Not true at all. I like Liara and Kasumi.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I've figured it out.

Quole hates all the female characters that aren't Tali because he sees them and their fanbases as competition.

He just stated a few posts up that he doesn't hate Liara.

Edit: and he ninja'd me.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 06 décembre 2011 - 04:54 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

..how is Miranda a child molester?

He compared her to MJ. You know, Michael Jackson? Who was on trial for child molestation?

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 06 décembre 2011 - 04:55 .


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I mean if we're gonna play the "ur character is ugly game." let's get everyone out the way.

Thane looks like a frog
Garrus looks like a dinosaur
Jacob looks like an uglier Kanye West
Kaidan has bug eyebrows
Miranda looks like MJ
Tali probably looks like the predator
Liara looks like a blue squid
Ash looks like a man.
Jack's bald and scrawny.

...Did I forget anyone? No? Okay then let's move on. 

I just don't get the comparisons to Michael Jackson though. She does not look that much like MJ even in horrible ligthning.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 décembre 2011 - 05:00 .


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Quole wrote...

MJ aka Miranda aka Child Molester.


Yeah, a 35 year old woman with a 31 year old man does not constitue pedophilia good sir.

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Quole wrote...

MJ aka Miranda aka Child Molester.

I get the MJ reference from the looks, but how is Miranda a child molester?

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Ryzaki wrote...

I mean if we're gonna play the "ur character is ugly game." let's get everyone out the way.

Thane looks like a frog
Garrus looks like a dinosaur
Jacob looks like an ugly Kanye West
Kaidan has bug eyebrows
Miranda looks like MJ
Tali probably looks like the predator
Liara looks like a blue squid
Ash looks like a man.

...Did I forget anyone?

You forgot Jack.

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Then Jack is scrawny and bald.

There we go.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

You forgot Jack.


Even Jack haters like Jack.

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Ryzaki wrote...

I mean if we're gonna play the "ur character is ugly game." let's get everyone out the way.

Thane looks like a frog
Garrus looks like a dinosaur
Jacob looks like an ugly Kanye West
Kaidan has bug eyebrows
Miranda looks like MJ
Tali probably looks like the predator
Liara looks like a blue squid
Ash looks like a man.

...Did I forget anyone? No? Okay then let's move on. 

I just don't get the comparisons to Michael Jackson though. She does not look that much like MJ even in horrible ligthning.

ROFL

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Quole wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I would rather have Liara on my team than MJ. At least she has a personality.


MJ ?

MJ aka Miranda aka Child Molester.


Iw oulden't go as far as Child Molester...
I just hate Mirandas accent, and over- sexulization.

edit: NVM Ijust got the joke..

Modifié par Yuqi, 06 décembre 2011 - 05:00 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

ugly Kanye West

Redundant redundancy is redundant. Redundantly so.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I mean if we're gonna play the "ur character is ugly game." let's get everyone out the way.

Thane looks like a frog
Garrus looks like a dinosaur
Jacob looks like an ugly Kanye West
Kaidan has bug eyebrows
Miranda looks like MJ
Tali probably looks like the predator
Liara looks like a blue squid
Ash looks like a man.

...Did I forget anyone?


You forgot noone.


:P

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Ryzaki wrote...

I mean if we're gonna play the "ur character is ugly game." let's get everyone out the way.

Thane looks like a frog
Garrus looks like a dinosaur
Jacob looks like an ugly Kanye West
Kaidan has bug eyebrows
Miranda looks like MJ
Tali probably looks like the predator
Liara looks like a blue squid
Ash looks like a man.

...Did I forget anyone? No? Okay then let's move on. 

I just don't get the comparisons to Michael Jackson though. She does not look that much like MJ even in horrible ligthning.


Imma let you finish.... but Legion has the best flashlight head of all time. of ALL TIME!

Also Kasumi looks like Palpatine (which may be kinda badass)