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[jeckaldied]

I am not convinced the Old Gods are anything more than
simple high dragons. Nothing but legend surronds the time that they were
actually worshiped, and if the dragon Andraste proved anything, it's that
people can pretty easily buy into a giant dragon being a god, and that high
dragons are atleast intelligent enough to reap the benefits of a cult
worshipping them.

I feel that the Archdemon is simply a high dragon possessed by some extra
special darkspawn taint (Supertaint, for lack of an actual term). Such a high
concentration of taint in such a powerful body gives it a focus point for the
Uni-mind that controls the darkspawn. The taint goes to the dragons soul, and
so it's soul will go to the next tainted thing, to powerful to die just from
losing it's body.

Interesting to note that not only had the darkspawn been thought defeated at
the beginning of the game, up in till the end of the Stolen Throne, Dragons had
been thought extinct, I think High Dragons (especially easily taintable ones) are
rare enough to explain the in frequent blights, and with the decline in dragon
numbers, the frequency of blights dropped too.

Modifié par jeckaldied, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:32 .

[Vicious]

I could buy that. Pretty much all the codex entries are written by Chantry scholars and while they sometimes entertain ideas outside of the standard dogma, they are definetly biased sources.



That said there is one entry that postulates that they are simply indeed very powerful high dragons who were not driven away by the Maker, but are instead undergoing some kind of strange hibernation.



That said the Blight is over, I'm figuring that The Black City will take center stage in DAO2.

[Rainstorm01]

i believe youre right. From what i understood from the storyline the actual Archdemons are Dragons that are found by the darkspawn and corrupted by them. The story tells that the Old Gods (the dragons) were banished in the depths of the earth by the Maker himself. This was known as The First Sin-- That the Old Gods usurped the Maker's childs attention away from him. its quite a fascinating story to read im glad i did .... i certainly hope to see all those connection in a sequel of the game

[marshalleck]

Show me how the Maker is any more a god than an immortal and incredibly powerful dragon.

Case against the Maker:  dragons undeniably exist. Their presence and effect on the world can be directly observed, particularly when one becomes corrupted immediately preceding a Blight. When was the last time the Maker did anything for anyone?

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:48 .

[II Relics II]

It is believed that the Old Gods simply took the form of Dragons. At least, that is how the Tevinter Magisters worshipped them.



If you think about it, the Old Gods could be very powerful demons. Capable of possessing Dragons, even manifesting themselves as Dragons.



If anyone wanted to know here are the following Old Gods (In order from the first blight to the unawaken ones, they may be mixed up though)



Dumat - Dragon of Silence

Zazikel - Dragon of Chaos

Toth - Dragon of Fire

Andoral - Dragon of Slaves

Urthemiel - Dragon of Beauty (Current Archdemon in DA:O)

Razikale - Dragon of Mystery

Lusacan - Dragon of Night

[BlackLotus30]

Since they are Old Gods how can they ursurp the Maker's childs attention since technically wouldn't the Old Gods exist before the maker did?

[Rainstorm01]

heh not quite sure, im just telling of what i have read. They may be Old Gods, but the Maker seems to be even older.

[Erik Mcvay]

I think the idea of the Old Gods are demons that posses or mold into dragons is possible, because in the dream sequence it is in the fade, and seeing the Archdemon in the fade makes sense to me, being it a demon. also 2 more Old gods means 2 more blights, so sequals are set up

[marshalleck]

Rainstorm01 wrote...

heh not quite sure, im just telling of what i have read. They may be Old Gods, but the Maker seems to be even older.

Of course the Chantry would claim that to be so. He is their god after all, and it wouldn't suit them to denigrate their deity before pagans.

[jeckaldied]

Erik Mcvay wrote...

I think the idea of the Old Gods are demons that posses or mold into dragons is possible, because in the dream sequence it is in the fade, and seeing the Archdemon in the fade makes sense to me, being it a demon. also 2 more Old gods means 2 more blights, so sequals are set up

The reason those dreams are in the fade is because ALL dreaming in Thedas takes place in the fade, your mind goes there whenever you dream.

[Rainstorm01]

i would be thrilled to see a story involving the the Fade a little more. the sequel could ber about a group of heros trying to restore the Black City to its former glory, this involving facing and defeating the 4 corrupted magister that tainted it in the first place ....

[BlackLotus30]

You know I like the idea behind the Maker's religion, but from what i've seen so far, well read with the exalted marches and all. Seems to me that they would do anything to keep up the appearance. I do believe that there are some truth as to what they say. Andraste's ashes proved that but it kind of bother me that the Maker is a silent god, the Chantry has no clerical or blessed power to speak of, they keep and armed force of templars hooked on drugs and devotes their time in making the mages life's hell. Seems to me that they are hidding something and sprouting lies about mages powers in general. Could it be that the mages power are the proof that gods other than the Maker exist? Seems to me that something the Chantry would try to hide and peg the mage in a bad light since they just can't go and kill ALL the mages in Thedas, they found a way to keep them in one place and push the big red button if things go out of hands.

[BlackLotus30]

Rainstorm01 wrote...

i would be thrilled to see a story involving the the Fade a little more. the sequel could ber about a group of heros trying to restore the Black City to its former glory, this involving facing and defeating the 4 corrupted magister that tainted it in the first place ....

Only to find out later that it was the chantry itself that commited the first sin? And blamed it on those poor mages because they were jealous of their powers:wizard:

[marshalleck]

Could it be that the Maker is a demon and responsible for Darkspawn and corruption of Old Gods into Archdemons?



Probably a fairly superficial and paranoid reading of things, but just tossing it out there for sake of perspective.

[BlackLotus30]

marshalleck wrote...

Could it be that the Maker is a demon and responsible for Darkspawn and corruption of Old Gods into Archdemons?

Probably a fairly superficial and paranoid reading of things, but just tossing it out there for sake of perspective.

Well anything is possible you know

[Rainstorm01]

muhahah blacklotus30 ! you really have a grudge against the Chantry dont ya? I must admit all these thing about them having the highjunked-lyrium templars on their side is quite suspicious
Also, they have chantries in all the key towns too,  including orzammar now that i helped a dwarf to put one in there too!

Modifié par Rainstorm01, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:30 .

[BlackLotus30]

Rainstorm01 wrote...

muhahah blacklotus30 ! you really have a grudge against the Chantry dont ya? I must admit all these thing about them having the highjunked-lyrium templars on their side is quite suspicious
Also, they have chantries in all the key towns too,  including orzammar now that i helped a dwarf to put one in there too!

Hey if I could start and exalted march against the Chantry but that would make me an hypocrite, because for what it is the chantry did do good things. Lol I didn't want to subject the poor dwarves to the chantry beleive since I liked their view on religion in worshiping their ancestor but not to a point of being fanatical about it, but to seek guidance and stuff like that. My character beleive in Andraste's teaching but not in the way the chantry would have them think... There is a difference. For my character finding Andraste's ashes was a turning point of course it made it more funny when she brought Sten with her

[hexaligned]

Hmm I didn't realize all of the Old Gods were Dragons, I saw them more as Deamons, able to take the bodies they wanted (Dragons just being the most powerful form available)

[Rainstorm01]

In the first of my 2 games Sten turned on me in Haven ... that big bastard! so in my second one i made sure to keep him content so he wouldnt backstab me a second time! thats pretty ironic tho, to think my rogue PC was the one that got backstabbed that time around =/



I was about to corrupt the ashes too when i finally decided not to do it and give that Kolgrim the eternal slumber he well deserved!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Rainstorm01 wrote...

In the first of my 2 games Sten turned on me in Haven ... that big bastard! so in my second one i made sure to keep him content so he wouldnt backstab me a second time! thats pretty ironic tho, to think my rogue PC was the one that got backstabbed that time around =/

I was about to corrupt the ashes too when i finally decided not to do it and give that Kolgrim the eternal slumber he well deserved!

But Kolgrim was so enthusiastic!

[II Relics II]

I demand that one of the writers illuminate on this notion! (There will be a warm chocolate chip cookie for the one that posts here!) Also, does anyone wonder if the Archdemons are the only leaders among the darkspawn? I think that the Magisters that committed the first sin are in fact still very much alive, who else could be powerful enough to awaken such powerful creatures?

[jeckaldied]

II Relics II wrote...

I demand that one of the writers illuminate on this notion! (There will be a warm chocolate chip cookie for the one that posts here!) Also, does anyone wonder if the Archdemons are the only leaders among the darkspawn? I think that the Magisters that committed the first sin are in fact still very much alive, who else could be powerful enough to awaken such powerful creatures?

Much like whether the Maker is real, I'm willing to bet the writers wish us to form our own opinions on this matter, it's left up to interpritation, like real world religions.

[orpheus333]

From what i have gathered the old gods and the maker are both spirits within the fade. Powerful ones but still spirits. As there is a difference between regular high dragons (the one you kill in sacred ashes) and old gods. The ones that can be tainted and fall. Perhaps these dragons just like flemeth are mortal vessels for powerful spirits.



I would write a bit more on this and may still do but...im still trying to play the game, do uni, and solidify my opinions on the religions and magic of the game.

[II Relics II]

I would like to know if we are going to meet/fight the Magister Lords that became the first darkspawn, can you say epic fight?

[Dark83]

What about the elven gods? They were around before the humies, no?