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[Huntress]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

It seems like a great society in so many ways. Not perfect, but no society is. Instead of everyone fending for themselves and trying to find happiness on their own, they receive their callings from a higher ranking power. Through testing the people, the Qun can make very educated guesses at what you would do a good job spending your time with. This means everyone gets to be productive and feel like part of something greater than themselves, each and every person important as cogs in a wheel of society. Less people would feel lost and could instead focus on doing what they do best.

Of course, the drawback is an obvious lack of freedoms. Is the freedom to do the wrong choice and the freedom to fail truly things we want, however? I feel very compelled by the Qun myself and would definitely look into them if their society was real. Is this just my unemployed self seeing roses where there is only mirage, or are there others who feel similarly?

NO is not a great society, there is no individualism on it, thats why Sten love pictures and cookies, not one in the qun can do or dream of doing such a thing without permision. And thats something that many people can live without! art/ cookies are not essencial and yet we love to watch that forest in our living room or taste that chocolate cookies that mom just made.

You think we don't get tested in our society and see what are our qualification for X job is? Wake up, if you don't qualify as an engineer trust me you won't get the job,  and if we had a society as Qun do..you'll be send as a planter because nothing also is available? lol! good many people need to remember that OUR food comes from the fields and yet our contries have to get mexican, russian, turks to work on the fields or fill up boxes of oranges juice from Florida.. Yes our jobs are getting steal from them!.. alright..

People are not lost, they just don't have a purpuse, and for what am getting many want the goverment to rule them, feed them and dress them up.. man you don't need a goverment you need a MOTHER.

I want the freedom to make my own choices good or bad, thats how we learn and grow with mistakes and triumphs thats what keep us wanting to keep going. Oh and what i find as "good" doens't  mean is good for you. lol

If you are unimployed try helping the comunity? Go to a goodwill center and clean up some cloths or go to Senior house and help the Old folks there by reading to them or fetching a glass of water? what?Too much work? lol!

Modifié par Huntress, 06 décembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[Maria Caliban]

Can we not suggest unemployed people are lazy?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Maria Caliban wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Anyone who needs order imposed on them from the outside is weak.

Why are you typing in English? Language is order a culture imposes on its various members.

The same is true of laws, money, social customs, and moral philosophy. The very fact that you see individuality vs collectivity as a reflection of personal strength is a product of Western cultural indoctrination.

You are incorrect.  I can choose my language, my money, my social customs, and my philosophy with a plane ticket and a visa.  I can do that without being attacked by the culture I'm leaving.

The qunari would not allow that.  The qunari is a religion for slaves and cowards.

[bleetman]

Huntress wrote...

If you are unimployed try helping the comunity? Go to a goodwill center and clean up some cloths or go to Senior house and help the Old folks there by reading to them or fetching a glass of water? what?Too much work? lol!

*twitch*

I believe the phrase is "not sure if serious".

[bEVEsthda]

I think most posters here have missed the the most important point, which force me to comment.
I'll also assume the OP is a rather young person, and that thus all the holes inside the head haven't grown away yet..

Qun is nothing unique or new. Similar concepts have existed throughout human history. Those experiences paints a completely clear and non-ambigious picture of organized evil, wasted lives and human sufferings.

And it should be pretty obvious why, really. To follow anything like Qun, a leader, a book, a religion, an ideology, the first thing we do, the first thing we must do, is to give up reason and let beliefs, faith and/or rituals take its place.

And when we give up reason, then it is that we start our descent into hell.
Yes, we give up our freedom too, and we take away others' freedom, but that's a side issue. The worst thing is that we give up reason. Not only is reason abandoned, reason is also denied and persecuted. That is why Qun is evil. And so are the rest, but we can't discuss that.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

There's no conflict between reason and belief. Reason requires belief.

For example, if I believe that a person has inherent worth, then reason will lead me to behave in a way that doesn't compromise or deny that worth. If I believe a person has no inherent worth, then reason will lead me to behave in a way that maximizes my own goals and desires with no thought to that person.

Reason will not lead me to the belief that a person has worth or not though.

I don't see what a persons age has to do with this. There are young people who believe in individualism and young people who believe in collectivism. There are older people who believe in collectivism and older people who believe in individualism.

[CrimsonZephyr]

If you sacrifice too much freedom for security, you generally receive neither. I'm not a fan of the Qun, and if it existed in real life, it would likely be a severely dysfunctional place straight out of Orwell. No thank you.

[bEVEsthda]

Maria Caliban wrote...

There's no conflict between reason and belief. Reason requires belief.

True, depending on what exact meaning you put into belief. So, dogma and blind faith, then.

I don't see what a persons age has to do with this. There are young people who believe in individualism and young people who believe in collectivism. There are older people who believe in collectivism and older people who believe in individualism.

A persons age may not have to do with this. But one can certainly hope so.

[GodWood]

Yes!

Cast away the basra vashedan ideologies! Anaan esaam Qun!

Maria Caliban wrote...

blothulfur wrote...
Mystical twadlle bobobo, we shall sever the parasitic tendrils with which the fade feasts upon reality, and when we die we shall rot and feed the earth as all do and always have done.

As we're doing the role-play thing:

True happiness is found by joining with your spiritual brother or sister. Don't listen to the Chantry's propaganda! Demons are spirits who long to connect with humans and, together, experience a higher reality.

Find your REAL soul-mate through the Fade.

Meow.

[Russalka]

I would enjoy being kept in a leash, my mouth sewn shut for any wrong word, tortured by the Arvaraad, parts of my body cut off, and many more fabulous things that come with the Qun, yes.

[DarkDragon777]

Yeah....NO

[Lithuasil]

Considering the Qun are pretty much stalinism (i.e inhumane, pathetically hypocritic and doomed to fail) on meth... yeah, I'm going with no too.

[Zanallen]

Russalka wrote...

I would enjoy being kept in a leash, my mouth sewn shut for any wrong word, tortured by the Arvaraad, parts of my body cut off, and many more fabulous things that come with the Qun, yes.

Soooo...You are a real life mage then?

[Nerevar-as]

simfamSP wrote...

The Qun is a fascinating culture, though do I wish it were real? Why not? I wouldn't have any part of it, but I think it would be interesting meeting Qunari (or Kossith xD)

Well, there´s the part where they believe they must spread the Qun worldwide, so you have wars whenever they think they can get the upper hand.

[vania z]

I can do any job great. And so can any human, if he really wishes to .

[maxernst]

vania z wrote...

I can do any job great. And so can any human, if he really wishes to .

Any job? Really?  I would suck as an NFL player.

[Maria Caliban]

vania z wrote...

I can do any job great. And so can any human, if he really wishes to .

Humans beings have physical, intellectual, and psychological differences that make them more or less suitable for different activities. The ability to be 'great' at any specific activity is not easy, even if you have the right natural inclinations.

The idea that simply *wishing* to be great will lead to greatness is also highly questionable.

[Beerfish]

The Qun is much like any other philosophy or political system. In theory, if the system was never compromised and all were true to it it would probably work. However this never happens as everyone cheats when it comes time to face the negative aspect of the philosophy or political system.

At least DA is accurate in displaying leaders of this movement who are the most incompetent boobs you can imagine and who don't seem to have logical answers to anything they are asked other than 'You don't understand'.

[Loc'n'lol]

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(wait for it)

No.

[bEVEsthda]

Beerfish wrote...

The Qun is much like any other philosophy or political system. In theory, if the system was never compromised and all were true to it it would probably work. However this never happens as everyone cheats when it comes time to face the negative aspect of the philosophy or political system.
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Oh, FFS, Whaddaya mean? "would probably work"?
What's this generous criteria for "work"? What makes it work? And why would compromising and cheating affect it negatively?

[Medhia Nox]

@vania z - I wholeheartedly disagree.

@Nerevar-as - many cultures go to war in the real world to spread their world views. One more would hardly make any difference.

@RinpocheSchnozzberry: You've been indoctrinated since you entered kindergarten - I applaud your assertions that you are your own special snowflake however.

@Maria Caliban: I like the way you think - I shall call you Sally Chesterfield, and we shall have glorious adventures - and drink tea - and share great wisdoms.

[DiebytheSword]

As a staunch individualist, I do not see the value in a collectivist society that determines who you are for you. I have my mind made up on that, others can kindly fly kites. My Hawke reminded the Aarishok of his place in my world the hard way, as I would expect to have to potentially do to any member of the Qun someday.

That said, I have tremendous respect for the Qunari as warriors, and give them the honor they are due.