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[Sharn01]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I already mentioned the testing is "educated guessing" in my OP. Basically, the way I see it, the testing is most likely some kind of extremely more sophisticated version of our local employment office. Considering how far the barbaric kossith have come since converting to the Qun though, I'd say it's slightly unfair to say the system does not at the very least further their society somewhat.

We actually know next to nothing about the Qunari or the Kossith, for all we know their system could be failing at home, the USSR was seen as a strong and stable nation for a very long time during its collapse because outsiders had no idea what things where really like there.

The only thing we know for a fact that the Qunari are good at is war and killing.  Well gee, a race of seven to eight foot tall muscular giants are good at waging war on humans when both are equiped with primitive weapons.  Who would ever think that is possible?

[Lithuasil]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Or, more appropriately, the Ottoman Empire under Suleiman the Magnificent.

I propose to rename the tevinter capital to vienna.

[Gunderic]

simfamSP wrote...

NO is not a great society, there is no individualism on it

That is your point of view. The Qunari would see a Western European's life as flawed and pointless. Our society would be scum to them.

I'm sure that's how Kim Jong feels.

[Gunderic]

Maria Caliban wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Humans beings have physical, intellectual, and psychological differences that make them more or less suitable for different activities.

That has largely been negated in our world with the development of modern education.

Modern education can turn a non-competitive introvert into an aggressive salesperson? 

Modern education isn't needed for that.

[contextual_entity]

frustratemyself wrote...

You could always start a cult, like that lot in the UK that made Jedi Knight their religion.

That wasn't a cult, that was a bunch of people messing with the Census takers.

[Killjoy Cutter]

blothulfur wrote...

blah blah Qun Qun blah blah

Stuff a sock in it.  No one here wants to be preached at about a fictional religion. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 10 décembre 2011 - 08:41 .

[Kail Ashton]

lol the topic creator is clearly the kind of person cults drool over, also the qun are commies, so you've doubley failed society and the human species as a whole

[blothulfur]

First off sorry for the late reply Killjoy, been working a lot of hours and had no time, but rest assured now I know that my "preaching" offends i'll be sure to redouble my output when time and circumstance allow.

Modifié par blothulfur, 13 décembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[lv12medic]

The Qun is one of those things that if applied individually works pretty well (ie. self discipline) but starts to fail when applied (forcefully if need be) to a society with all of it's unpredictable dynamics. So no, I don't wish the Qun was real.

But I may be swayed differently if I get command of a Qunari Dreadnought. I would name it the Red Jenny and all the navies of Thedas will be devoured by the bottom of the sea.

[Killjoy Cutter]

simfamSP wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

blothulfur wrote...

blah blah Qun Qun blah blah

Stuff a sock in it.  No one here wants to be preached at about a fictional religion. 

Bah! No fun with kids these days, always trying to be grown up... can't you all be like me? 16 and horny?

Sorry if your not actually one, but I enjoy Blothulfur's roleplaying alot and it makes me smile, something that doesn't happen often when I read these forums.

This isn't an RP thread or an RP forum.  RP posts during an objective, non-RP discussion amount to trolling.

[Plaintiff]

Yeah, I'm totally jonesing to have my mouth sewn shut or my free will chemically removed.

No I don't want the Qun to be real. Who the **** would?

[Zanallen]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yeah, I'm totally jonesing to have my mouth sewn shut or my free will chemically removed.

No I don't want the Qun to be real. Who the **** would?

Are...Are you by chance also a real life mage?

[Plaintiff]

Zanallen wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Yeah, I'm totally jonesing to have my mouth sewn shut or my free will chemically removed.

No I don't want the Qun to be real. Who the **** would?

Are...Are you by chance also a real life mage?

[GodWood]

Plaintiff wrote...
Yeah, I'm totally jonesing to have my mouth sewn shut

You are not a mage 

or my free will chemically removed.

You never have and never will have free will.

No I don't want the Qun to be real. Who the **** would?

Evidently the OP.

[Plaintiff]

GodWood wrote...
You are not a mage

So? 

You never have and never will have free will.

Explain.

[GodWood]

Plaintiff wrote...

GodWood wrote...
You are not a mage

So?

You need not worry about having your mouth sewn shut.

Explain.

Everything you say, do and think is determined by previous conditions.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 décembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Plaintiff]

GodWood wrote...
You need not worry about having your mouth sewn shut.

And because it doesn't happen to me, I should ignore this gross abuse of others? It's called empathy, look it up. I'm well aware I wouldn't have to suffer it personally, my meaning should be clear to anyone with half a brain.

Everything you say, do and think is determined by previous conditions.

Aside from being completely wrong, that has nothing to do with anything. Previous conditions do not preclude the existence of free will. I'm still able to make my own choices, from small issues like what I want for lunch to bigger ones like my chosen career. Those freedoms exist as objective fact. Freedoms that, under the Qun, I would not have.

Previous conditions (finances, location, education) may, to a very slight degree, limit or expand my choices. They do not make my choices for me.

[GodWood]

Plaintiff wrote...
And because it doesn't happen to me, I should ignore this gross abuse of others? It's called empathy, look it up. I'm well aware I wouldn't have to suffer it personally, my meaning should be clear to anyone with half a brain.

This was not your original argument.
You said you did not want your mouth sewn shut. Under the qun, unless you are a mage, your mouth would not be sewn shut.

Aside from being completely wrong, that has nothing to do with anything.

It has to do with your statement of Free Will and disproves that you ever had it. 

Previous conditions do not preclude the existence of free will. I'm still able to make my own choices, from small issues like what I want for lunch to bigger ones like my chosen career. Those freedoms exist as objective fact.

No they do not. Think harder.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 décembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Oh look, a determinist, how quaint.

OK, genius, if there's no such thing as free will, how will telling him to "think harder" change anything?  If you were right, he'd always come to the same conclusion no matter what you say.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[TheJediSaint]

Godwood, please tell the "previous conditions" that govern your will to spare us the determinist baloney, no one cares that you sat through philosophy 101. 

The fact is, whatever affect "previous conditions" have on us, in the end they can be boiled down to compusion.

The Qun isn't about compusion, it's about coercion.  The Qun is about an external actor forcing people not only to live in a certain way, or act in a certain way, but to also think in a certain way.  In a word, it is totalitarianism.

So rather than explaining to us that we dont have free will, how about instead you (or the "previous conditions" that control you) please explain to us the pros or cons of the Qun.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:48 .

[LarryDavid]

Basically it is fundamental wrong to indoctrinate your children by only teaching them your (mostly narrow-minded) view on society. But as your children eventually become part of the society, they can draw other conclusions due to firsthand experience. Being free to make up your own mind is essential for me and hence, the biggest problem I have with the Qun is the fact that the penalty for apostasy is death.

When I started my relationship with my wife-to-be, I lost the freedom to screw around, get drunk anytime I want, ... . But the thing is that I not really lost that freedom because I am free to end the relationship anytime. In the same way, not having freedom in the Qun does not hamper anyone's freedom as long as they are free to leave their society unharmed.

[Zanallen]

Plaintiff wrote...

And because it doesn't happen to me, I should ignore this gross abuse of others? It's called empathy, look it up. I'm well aware I wouldn't have to suffer it personally, my meaning should be clear to anyone with half a brain.

That's a silly argument. The Qunari sew a mages mouth shut to prevent them from using magic to attack others. As far as we know, that is the only reason they sew a person's mouth shut. As there are no mages in real life, a real life Qun would not have such a practice.