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[InvincibleHero]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Are we plotting a complete overthrow of the system in here? What fun! I know I'm game.

Also: C'mon people, add to the chart!

Yeah I'm all by myself.  I could use some company. Die by the sword or Fox would be closest to me I guess.

[Hathur]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

It's interesting to see where everybody is at.

Sure is.  I think it's kind of cool how there's no linear trend.

Which means the two-party system in America is bullsh*t.  Politicians, take note.

Yes! Adopt the parliamentary system like here in Canada! It's utopian and PERFECT  ................ 

..... no but seriously.... two party system is scary. If I'm to be governed by fools I'd rather it be a full proper circus of fools... not some half-measured small group of fools. More entertaining that way. 

[DiebytheSword]

InvincibleHero wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

It's interesting to see where everybody is at.

Sure is.  I think it's kind of cool how there's no linear trend.

Which means the two-party system in America is bullsh*t.  Politicians, take note.

There are other parties they just don't recieve the funding and media to have them be reconized that much.

Well a party cannot have all our viewpoints adequately represented. Just like that test there was only a few dozen questions. it cannot measure every facet of personality or belief. You just have to try to match yourself to the one you think represents your interests the most.

It isn't a failure of the parties, but the electorate that puts them there. I would love it if no one showed up in primaries to vote for career politicians then they win by the votes of them and their family. The electorate can always institute recall petitions but guess what no one does except in extreme politically motivated moves funded by billionaire liberal or conservatives.

       My honest opinion is that their shouldn't be political parties. Political parties breed political jobs, you shouldn't become a politician to earn money, but to serve your nation.
      Plus people will tend to just vote for a party and not a person.

@ bolded I know that firsthand living in a democrat stranglehold in Ohio. Our area is perpetually among the highest in unemployment and corruption yet they will not vote in anything, but democrats and it goes from father to son to newphew daughter and niece. My area even elected a person that was the son of a politician yet never held a real private sector job. Guess  who he is. He worked for a congressman that was booted out. (Sorry I gave it away.) Unions own the real power in my neck of the woods.

I don't mind if people exercise their vote in a way thats anethema to my personal view of the country, tis their right.  What I do mind is people not educating themselves on their politicians and making their vote an educated one.  I literally had a co-worker tell me that he votes Democrat because his family does, and they taught him to not ever vote Republican.  I myself have voted for both, I learn about the available candidates, and sadly vote for the lesser of two evils.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:25 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Added myself to the chart: link

Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

I've drifted down and to the right since the last time I took this, although I still barely shade into the blue quadrant.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:20 .

[DiebytheSword]

jreezy wrote...

Could we move away from the political discussion, lest this topic get locked.

Seconded, we should make this a seperate topic in off topic.

[Hathur]

Oh.. as for the test I ended up along the lower-left of the scale / chart thingy... -5.50 , -3.54 ... some weird questions in there too.

[InvincibleHero]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I don't mind if people exercise their vote in a way thats anethema to my personal view of the country, tis their right.  What I do mind is people not educating themselves on their politicians and making their vote and educated one.  I literally had a co-worker tell me that he votes Democrat because his family does, and they taught him to not ever vote Republican.  I myself have voted for both, I learn about the available candidates, and sadly vote for the lesser of two evils.

Too many people don't think for themselves. Even with issues which has direct vote implementation they listen to specific views or who backs it to tell them how to vote. I weigh the pros and cons and actually read about it to come to an informed decision. I have voted for both parties and even an independant or two. For presidents always Republican though. If the right Democrat ran I'd have no problem voting for him/her.

[AdmiralCheez]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Unions own the real power in my neck of the woods.

And in my neck, we have a governor so determined to destroy them that he'll burn down our education system to do it.

Unions, corporations, government...  They're all essential to keep the nation healthy, and they're supposed to be checks and balances against each other.  One shouldn't be in bed with the other, and they shouldn't be seeking to hunt each other down, either.  Everyone's scrambling to get more power, and when they get it, they squander it on selfish ends.  And those of us who can actually get things back in order--the consumers, the voters, the citizens--either don't know what the hell's going on, don't care, or don't have enough power to make a difference.

Sit down, America.  We need to talk.

[AdmiralCheez]

Hathur wrote...

Oh.. as for the test I ended up along the lower-left of the scale / chart thingy... -5.50 , -3.54 ... some weird questions in there too.

Added.

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have to say I'm very very surprised by my results. Added, btw.

Don't see it.  Link?

[mango smoothie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Unions own the real power in my neck of the woods.

And in my neck, we have a governor so determined to destroy them that he'll burn down our education system to do it.

Unions, corporations, government...  They're all essential to keep the nation healthy, and they're supposed to be checks and balances against each other.  One shouldn't be in bed with the other, and they shouldn't be seeking to hunt each other down, either.  Everyone's scrambling to get more power, and when they get it, they squander it on selfish ends.  And those of us who can actually get things back in order--the consumers, the voters, the citizens--either don't know what the hell's going on, don't care, or don't have enough power to make a difference.

Sit down, America.  We need to talk.

Everybody wants more power even if people think they don't deep down every person tries to achieve more power than they have. Humans are are naturally greedy.

[HowlHowl]

You're all jealous of my proximity to Stalin.

[DiebytheSword]

HowlHowl wrote...

You're all jealous of my proximity to Stalin.

Not really.  Not at all.  My dad came from a country where Stalinism did an awesome job of killing women and children to make poor men fight for them.  That hate rubbed of on me as well informed dislike.

[HowlHowl]

DiebytheSword wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

You're all jealous of my proximity to Stalin.

Not really.  Not at all.  My dad came from a country where Stalinism did an awesome job of killing women and children to make poor men fight for them.  That hate rubbed of on me as well informed dislike.

It's a good thing Stalinism and Left Authoritarianism aren't the same thing.

[TheBlackBaron]

Interesting how there doesn't seem to be a lot of middle-ground, economically. With one or two exceptions we're all either pretty solid free marketers or leftists.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Eh, you add it Cheez

ec: .25
soc: -1.59

Boom.

@Mango: We may be naturally greedy, but we're also naturally social.  We have to be--of we were solely selfish, our societies would fall apart.  American society, however, doesn't encourage being mindful of others very much.  But like religious faith, patriotism, and the competitive drive to do well and get more stuff, it's a learned behavior that must be integrated into a culture--it doesn't spread overnight.

We'd be getting a lot more sh*t done if our culture didn't view being nice as a weakness.