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[firefireblow]

I SAY WE DANCE THE DANCE OF LIFE!!!

Modifié par firefireblow, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?!?!?!?! sounds interesting.

Good, gooooood!

I'll go get some cultists and set up the defiled temple.

Bring something sharp and we can get this heresy going properly!:devil:

[CptData]

DiebytheSword wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

"Stuff like that" is inherent in capitalism. The problem isn't capitalism, it's a result of capitalism.

That's extreme government interference, which is definitely not capitalism and definitely not the result of capitalism.

Extreme government interference almost always follows the many crashes caused by unchecked consumerism by way of capitalism. Those trillions would not be needed for stimulus(how ever false and detrimental it may be) if base capitalism weren't so unstable and easily exploitable.

Please point to a socialist or communist country that has not suffered some form of corruption due to someone ultimately having the power and gaming the system.

Greed will never be removed from the equation, no matter who is pulling the levers.

Many of those crashes were engineered by people who want to game the system.  A wonderful example would be the latest Housing Bubble, where evil banks loaned people in predatory practices . . . oh wait, they were mandated to give those loans because they needed to hit low income housing loans forced on them by government interference.

Man is a flawed creature, all of his creations will be flawed.

There are options to reduce greed without introducing communism or socialism.

Just one idea: a hardcap for money / wealth you can have at any given time. Like in ME: you can't have more than 9.999.999 credits. I think no person needs billions of dollar for a good life. Millions should be more than enough. 
And how to ensure no one gets more?
Introduce a "global tax". As soon as one hits the limit, s/he'll be charged of 100% tax on income. As long as s/he hits the limit, the income will be zero.
The "global tax" is used for "human rights", "education" and "science" and for a "base income" that should be enough for a flat, food and water. That base income isn't taxed at all.

Socialism? Negative. It is, however, no full fledged untamed capitalism. It's a tamed variant. One with the human as centerpoint not wealth. After all there is enough money in this world to allow everyone to have a quite acceptable life.

[firefireblow]

Sharp? as in................wait for it..............





SHARP CHESEE



Oh hahaha, i funny

[Inquisitor Recon]

Did somebody call for an Indian RickRoll?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ReconTeam wrote...

Did somebody call for an Indian RickRoll?

You shall die by traitor's hands!

[HowlHowl]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

Extreme government interference almost always follows the many crashes caused by unchecked consumerism by way of capitalism. Those trillions would not be needed for stimulus(how ever false and detrimental it may be) if base capitalism weren't so unstable and easily exploitable.

The stimulus was not needed at all. It was a false prop-up. The way capitalism works is that there would have been a crash, and it would have righted itself. That was not capitalism in action, I don't believe.

It wasn't just a crash. It was a possible depression. No one wanted to grant the market some R&R time to figure out what it was going to do to fill the holes it purposely made. The stimulus wasn't capitalism in action, it was a reaction to capitalism in action, specifically a downward spiral. The difference was that the money was so heavily manipulated by the banks that the typical reactionary spike capitalism is supposed to ensure after such a crash wasn't likely to happen; the circulation had effectually been cut off by aforementioned bad handling.

[firefireblow]

hows bouts tis

[Inquisitor Recon]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
You shall die by traitor's hands!

Serves me right. I went pay my respects to the Porcelain Throne, and the Blood Ravens stole that box of sacred chapter artifacts I was supposed to guard. Typical Blood Ravens. Jerks.

[firefireblow]

Stop putting us on-tropics!!!!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

ReconTeam wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
You shall die by traitor's hands!

Serves me right. I went pay my respects to the Porcelain Throne, and the Blood Ravens stole that box of sacred chapter artifacts I was supposed to guard. Typical Blood Ravens. Jerks.

At least my fellows and I would just gut you with a chain axe and then sacrifice your soul to the Blood God.

We wouldn't steal your stuff while you were in the john, that's just low.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...



Stay classy, BSN.

Impossible.

We can however stay b*tchy.

[firefireblow]

Well if this thread is going to be locked by the time I wake I say this.......


I REGRET NOTHING!!!!!!


*and bye for now if I get the ban*

[HowlHowl]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Despite the fun that this thread (along with trolling Quole) is, I have to leave. This thread has been interesting in that we've seen like five or six people go to bed while participating.

Stay classy, BSN.

Adieu.

[Random citizen]

knightnblu wrote...

That's an interesting question. I could go into a long dissertation on the ethics and morality of the choices we make, but that would be some major boring crap. So I will just say that I am a paragon player who makes renegade decisions when the situation/stakes demand that I do. Fortunately, that doesn't occur all that often. For example, if you attempt to pull a weapon on me I will kill you. In ME2 that resulted in the deaths of one Asari and two Krogan. Waiting for an individual to pull a weapon and use it is just stupid, therefore I gunned them down. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a "renegade" option because it is just common sense to me, but there it is.

Very true. This pretty much sums it up. If you are not meta-gaming and treat the situation seriously, there are situations where there is no room for hesitation. As manily a peragon player (well Paragade with strong paragon leanings)  I too droped those two krogan and the asari. And I did headbutt a certain krogan and took out a certain gunship engineer.  And then there was this little explotion at a krogan base on Tuchanka when we where looking for an old friend of mordin...

Modifié par Random citizen, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[AlexXIV]

Random citizen wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

That's an interesting question. I could go into a long dissertation on the ethics and morality of the choices we make, but that would be some major boring crap. So I will just say that I am a paragon player who makes renegade decisions when the situation/stakes demand that I do. Fortunately, that doesn't occur all that often. For example, if you attempt to pull a weapon on me I will kill you. In ME2 that resulted in the deaths of one Asari and two Krogan. Waiting for an individual to pull a weapon and use it is just stupid, therefore I gunned them down. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a "renegade" option because it is just common sense to me, but there it is.

Very true. This pretty much sums it up. If you are not meta-gaming and treat the situation seriously, there are situations where there is no room for hesitation. As manily a peragon player (well Paragade with strong paragon leanings)  I too droped those two krogan and the asari. And I did headbutt a certain krogan and took out a certain gunship engineer.

Yeah I think it is a common misconception that people believe paragons don't do this stuff. Unless I am trying hard to do a full paragon playthrough (which means I really only pick paragon choices and never even do a renegade interrupt, for research reasons) I do alot of renegade stuff. The only thing is I try to raise my paragon to max, but other than that I still gather tons of renegade points.

[Nightwriter]

Random citizen wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

That's an interesting question. I could go into a long dissertation on the ethics and morality of the choices we make, but that would be some major boring crap. So I will just say that I am a paragon player who makes renegade decisions when the situation/stakes demand that I do. Fortunately, that doesn't occur all that often. For example, if you attempt to pull a weapon on me I will kill you. In ME2 that resulted in the deaths of one Asari and two Krogan. Waiting for an individual to pull a weapon and use it is just stupid, therefore I gunned them down. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a "renegade" option because it is just common sense to me, but there it is.

Very true. This pretty much sums it up. If you are not meta-gaming and treat the situation seriously, there are situations where there is no room for hesitation. As manily a peragon player (well Paragade with strong paragon leanings)  I too droped those two krogan and the asari. And I did headbutt a certain krogan and took out a certain gunship engineer.  And then there was this little explotion at a krogan base on Tuchanka when we where looking for an old friend of mordin...

I think I've heard the argument that your shields would absorb the initial shots if the person in question was actually going to fire, like they do in BDtS when Simon Atwell accidentally fires at you.

I still wouldn't be totally comfortable taking the chance in real life. I could see a high powered shotgun ripping through shields pretty quickly. Since it's not real life, however, I have a hard time taking it seriously. It's just that so very many guns are pointed at us in-game. So very many. I have lost my ability to feel threatened.

[Random citizen]

Nightwriter wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

That's an interesting question. I could go into a long dissertation on the ethics and morality of the choices we make, but that would be some major boring crap. So I will just say that I am a paragon player who makes renegade decisions when the situation/stakes demand that I do. Fortunately, that doesn't occur all that often. For example, if you attempt to pull a weapon on me I will kill you. In ME2 that resulted in the deaths of one Asari and two Krogan. Waiting for an individual to pull a weapon and use it is just stupid, therefore I gunned them down. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a "renegade" option because it is just common sense to me, but there it is.

Very true. This pretty much sums it up. If you are not meta-gaming and treat the situation seriously, there are situations where there is no room for hesitation. As manily a peragon player (well Paragade with strong paragon leanings)  I too droped those two krogan and the asari. And I did headbutt a certain krogan and took out a certain gunship engineer.  And then there was this little explotion at a krogan base on Tuchanka when we where looking for an old friend of mordin...

I think I've heard the argument that your shields would absorb the initial shots if the person in question was actually going to fire, like they do in BDtS when Simon Atwell accidentally fires at you.

I still wouldn't be totally comfortable taking the chance in real life. I could see a high powered shotgun ripping through shields pretty quickly. Since it's not real life, however, I have a hard time taking it seriously. It's just that so very many guns are pointed at us in-game. So very many. I have lost my ability to feel threatened.

Yes, my my Shepard do not respond that harshly when confused or paniked civilians point a gun at him (like a certain salarian worker in a certain tower does), however when it comes to trained killers pulling a gun ( which - if we take the assari example - is a clear sign of this person being pretty crazy or unballanced) and so on , he is not taking any chances.

Modifié par Random citizen, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Aww I missed the massive political debate..

[Arcadian Legend]

We've got two Paragon and Renegade threads going on right now. The Rene one is slightly better concealed though but still. 

I'm a Paragade BTW, take from that what you will.

[Welsh Inferno]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

We've got two Paragon and Renegade threads going on right now. The Rene one is slightly better concealed though but still. 

I'm a Paragade BTW, take from that what you will.

This has been mostly off-topic for like 10 pages though. 

Paragade here also.