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[Arcadian Legend]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

We've got two Paragon and Renegade threads going on right now. The Rene one is slightly better concealed though but still. 

I'm a Paragade BTW, take from that what you will.

This has been mostly off-topic for like 10 pages though. 

Paragade here also. 

I'd noticed.xD (About the thread that is)

[Alex_SM]

Random citizen wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

That's an interesting question. I could go into a long dissertation on the ethics and morality of the choices we make, but that would be some major boring crap. So I will just say that I am a paragon player who makes renegade decisions when the situation/stakes demand that I do. Fortunately, that doesn't occur all that often. For example, if you attempt to pull a weapon on me I will kill you. In ME2 that resulted in the deaths of one Asari and two Krogan. Waiting for an individual to pull a weapon and use it is just stupid, therefore I gunned them down. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a "renegade" option because it is just common sense to me, but there it is.

Very true. This pretty much sums it up. If you are not meta-gaming and treat the situation seriously, there are situations where there is no room for hesitation. As manily a peragon player (well Paragade with strong paragon leanings)  I too droped those two krogan and the asari. And I did headbutt a certain krogan and took out a certain gunship engineer.  And then there was this little explotion at a krogan base on Tuchanka when we where looking for an old friend of mordin...

I think I've heard the argument that your shields would absorb the initial shots if the person in question was actually going to fire, like they do in BDtS when Simon Atwell accidentally fires at you.

I still wouldn't be totally comfortable taking the chance in real life. I could see a high powered shotgun ripping through shields pretty quickly. Since it's not real life, however, I have a hard time taking it seriously. It's just that so very many guns are pointed at us in-game. So very many. I have lost my ability to feel threatened.

Yes, my my Shepard do not respond that harshly when confused or paniked civilians point a gun at him (like a certain salarian worker in a certain tower does), however when it comes to trained killers pulling a gun ( which - if we take the assari example - is a clear sign of this person being pretty crazy or unballanced) and so on , he is not taking any chances.

That's a thing called common sense.

Also I think I did all the interrupts (paragon and renegade) in my last playthrough. Sometimes look like the best part of the game. 

[mango smoothie]

Lol this topic hasn't been locked well it seems like people are heading back to the original topic so it might slip by the mods.

[Unschuld]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

What exactly are the patterns anyway? Is there much correlation between Renegade-Left or Right/Authoritarian or Libertarian and Paragon- Left or Right/Authoritarian or Libertarian?

It seems that the renegade posters tend to be a bit more authoritarian (I suppose that explains their devotion to TIM), but not by all that much on average.

Correlation is not causation, however. For example, my little spot on the graph may be in the upper left along with some of the more "renegade" personalities, but I tend to operate much differently.

[ADelusiveMan]

I will compromise, and when I do it's generally if someone deserves to die. Take Chorban in ME1 for example.

[Random citizen]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

I will compromise, and when I do it's generally if someone deserves to die. Take Chorban in ME1 for example.

You jest!
Chorban did definitely not deserve to die.

Modifié par Random citizen, 07 décembre 2011 - 03:16 .

[ADelusiveMan]

Random citizen wrote...

ADelusiveMan wrote...

I will compromise, and when I do it's generally if someone deserves to die. Take Chorban in ME1 for example.

You jest!
Chorban did definitely not deserve to die.

Nobody points a gun at me and walks away!

[Medhia Nox]

That is SO Renegade!

[Yezdigerd]

ADelusiveMan wrote...
Nobody points a gun at me and walks away!

Except people do it all the time in the game. Aria's people, Noveria's security force Purgatory guard, Quarians and on and on. Chorben is just one example among many of renegade killing and abusing people for the lulz.

[Medhia Nox]

@Yezdigerd: Renegade PUNCH!

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!

[mauro2222]

CptData wrote...

This world can not bear 7 billion people, not even if they're living without electronics and technology.

I disagree, it can... even more. But not in the way we live.

[mauro2222]

CptData wrote...

We'll always need non-regrowing resources since even with recycling you can't get 100% of used materials back or you need far much energy. Solar- , wind- and you-name-it energy are NOT potent enough. I'm a fan of fusion energy, therefore I support this. Solar energy and similar are a good backup, but can't be main source of energy - not for so many people.

This is not true. The only reason to why solar energy sucks, is because it's "expensive" (of course, due to corporations). People need to realize that money is a restriction to everything, then, this planet will change. The sun can power everything on this planet for a year in just 1 min of exposure.

[mauro2222]

CptData wrote...

I think we can reduce usage of non-regrowing resources by 80 - 90% if we really want, but that won't happen as long as it's more profitable for the industry to waste resources than using them efficiently.

This is why capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism is based on mass production and selfishness, hell... it can't even work without selfish people. In the long run it produces incredible amounts of pollution, ignorance and unemployment. It's the perfect machine of control.

Modifié par mauro2222, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Yezdigerd]

Saphra Deden wrote...

To even have the option to kill Chorban you have to not talk to him in the Council chambers. That way he will actually attack you with his thugs.

After attempted murder, and the deaths of his henchman, I have no problem killing his stupid ass.

Yes because Chorban has good reason to believe you are cooperating with Jahleed who is using you and cheating him. The whole which is explained in the following conversation, killing him in cold blood is just absurdly excessive.
But I'm not surprised you have no problem with it.

[PauseforEffect]

Picking renegade options was never an issue, it was simply whether it seemed counterproductive or unnecessary to choose them. When the enemy leaves no room for negotiation, ignores Shepard's warning to back off, or is clearly threatening other's lives, then there is little pity to be had for shooting them.
Choices like the Javelin Missiles brings an interesting conflict. Do we sacrifice strategic advantage or civilian lives? To me, it seemed better to save the people as locations can always be recaptured and saving the colonists would more likely yield more soldiers to the cause.
Will have to play ME3 to decide whether or not I will still be as paragon as I am now. But I do know this: I will sooner become a renegade than let anyone like the Illusive Man dictate what the right decision is.

[firefireblow]

Did we compromise the act of compromising compromise?

and no lock wow

Modifié par firefireblow, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[DiebytheSword]

CptData wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

"Stuff like that" is inherent in capitalism. The problem isn't capitalism, it's a result of capitalism.

That's extreme government interference, which is definitely not capitalism and definitely not the result of capitalism.

Extreme government interference almost always follows the many crashes caused by unchecked consumerism by way of capitalism. Those trillions would not be needed for stimulus(how ever false and detrimental it may be) if base capitalism weren't so unstable and easily exploitable.

Please point to a socialist or communist country that has not suffered some form of corruption due to someone ultimately having the power and gaming the system.

Greed will never be removed from the equation, no matter who is pulling the levers.

Many of those crashes were engineered by people who want to game the system.  A wonderful example would be the latest Housing Bubble, where evil banks loaned people in predatory practices . . . oh wait, they were mandated to give those loans because they needed to hit low income housing loans forced on them by government interference.

Man is a flawed creature, all of his creations will be flawed.

There are options to reduce greed without introducing communism or socialism.

Just one idea: a hardcap for money / wealth you can have at any given time. Like in ME: you can't have more than 9.999.999 credits. I think no person needs billions of dollar for a good life. Millions should be more than enough. 
And how to ensure no one gets more?
Introduce a "global tax". As soon as one hits the limit, s/he'll be charged of 100% tax on income. As long as s/he hits the limit, the income will be zero.
The "global tax" is used for "human rights", "education" and "science" and for a "base income" that should be enough for a flat, food and water. That base income isn't taxed at all.

Socialism? Negative. It is, however, no full fledged untamed capitalism. It's a tamed variant. One with the human as centerpoint not wealth. After all there is enough money in this world to allow everyone to have a quite acceptable life.

Active destruction of wealth like this causes unemployment, just so you know what you are asking for.  Pinch the man who pays the private sector, and you inscentivize him to pay only himself.

[Unschuld]

It's convenient and easy to forget while scrutinizing the 'greedy rich' that their investments are the reason for civil services, projects, and people finding gainful employment.

[Alex_SM]

In EU nations the reason for civil services, projects and all that stuff are the taxes payed by common citizens (which, at least in Spain, pay a bigger percentage of their income than large corporations or rich people).

Modifié par Alex_SM, 07 décembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[mauro2222]

Civil services are sustained by taxes.

[Phaedon]

Compromise beliefs? No.

Compromise as in make sacrifices? Yes.

[TomY90]

Phaedon wrote...

Compromise beliefs? No.

Compromise as in make sacrifices? Yes.

I completely agree

so as long as Shepard doesnt compromise his/her beliefs to achieve victory I won't compromise but if there is no choice then yes I will happily do it.