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[Medhia Nox]

Yezdigerd's trying to say that if those with predominantly Renegade mindsets weren't so hopped up on being edgy little tweakers with itchy trigger fingers... maybe they'd try to find out the entire story.

And - if you try to find out the entire story - I believe (as Saphra clearly indicates) that it leads to no extra death.

THAT'S what makes a Renegade a douchebag.

Chorban probably thinks HE is defending himself when you come walking up to him like a thug on behalf of Jahleed (since he's never met you).

[Random citizen]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Yezdigerd's trying to say that if those with predominantly Renegade mindsets weren't so hopped up on being edgy little tweakers with itchy trigger fingers... maybe they'd try to find out the entire story.

And - if you try to find out the entire story - I believe (as Saphra clearly indicates) that it leads to no extra death.

THAT'S what makes a Renegade a douchebag.

Chorban probably thinks HE is defending himself when you come walking up to him like a thug on behalf of Jahleed (since he's never met you).

I generally agree with this statement.  The renegade attitude often seem to be about either not caring, understanding or bothering with things that lies outside the use of blunt force to solve only the most immidiate problem as defined by what is already known or thought to be known. For example Garrus loyalty mission.

Modifié par Random citizen, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:30 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

naledgeborn wrote...

The results are in.

I took the test... not surprised at my result. I was on the fence only on one question in the entire test until I made my choice for it about 20 minutes later. The eugenics question I am talking about.

Anyway some up to date results I guess. Unless I missed a link that provided more results.

EDIT2: Found all of you.
www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php This one has me Legibly.... the one below is quite crowded

www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php This one has everyone up to date so far.

EDIT!: Yup I missed a lot of people.... HERPA DERP

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Random citizen wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Yezdigerd's trying to say that if those with predominantly Renegade mindsets weren't so hopped up on being edgy little tweakers with itchy trigger fingers... maybe they'd try to find out the entire story.

And - if you try to find out the entire story - I believe (as Saphra clearly indicates) that it leads to no extra death.

THAT'S what makes a Renegade a douchebag.

Chorban probably thinks HE is defending himself when you come walking up to him like a thug on behalf of Jahleed (since he's never met you).

I generally agree with this statement.  The renegade attitude often seem to be about either not caring, understanding or bothering with things that lies outside the use of blunt force to solve only the most immidiate problem as defined by what is already known or thought to be known. For example Garrus loyalty mission.

What about Garrus' loyalty mission?

[Random citizen]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Yezdigerd's trying to say that if those with predominantly Renegade mindsets weren't so hopped up on being edgy little tweakers with itchy trigger fingers... maybe they'd try to find out the entire story.

And - if you try to find out the entire story - I believe (as Saphra clearly indicates) that it leads to no extra death.

THAT'S what makes a Renegade a douchebag.

Chorban probably thinks HE is defending himself when you come walking up to him like a thug on behalf of Jahleed (since he's never met you).

I generally agree with this statement.  The renegade attitude often seem to be about either not caring, understanding or bothering with things that lies outside the use of blunt force to solve only the most immidiate problem as defined by what is already known or thought to be known. For example Garrus loyalty mission.

What about Garrus' loyalty mission?

Spoilers:

Garrus initial renegade assesment and solution of the situation was the result of lacking important information.

[Dave of Canada]

This thread has gotten interesting.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[mauro2222]

I've done it again, it changed a bit, but now I'm rested, so it's more accurate.

 -6.25 ec

 -6.67 soc

I think I'm the Dalai Lama

Cthulhu42, can you update it? I don't know wich one is the updated.

Modifié par mauro2222, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[Ryzaki]

Huh. Not what I expected.

...I'm a paragon I think? Paragade? Whatever. I make some renegade decisions if I want to. Mostly paragon though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:39 .

[Dave of Canada]

Random citizen wrote...

Spoilers:

Garrus initial renegade assesment and solution of the situation was the result of lacking important information.

I talked with Sidonis until he wanted Garrus to shoot him, does that make it okay? 

[firefireblow]

Dave of Canada wrote...

This thread has gotten interesting.

should of been here last night.

things happend, that were not my doing.

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Here, I added you to the crowd chart

Thanks!

[Kaiser Shepard]

Random citizen wrote...

Spoilers:

Garrus initial renegade assesment and solution of the situation was the result of lacking important information.

Garrus' initial renegade assessment and solution of the situation were still valid after getting said "important information".

Also, interesting how all the worthy people end up above the axis.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:08 .

[goofyomnivore]

I got
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85

here

Modifié par strive, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:05 .

[HowlHowl]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Yezdigerd's trying to say that if those with predominantly Renegade mindsets weren't so hopped up on being edgy little tweakers with itchy trigger fingers... maybe they'd try to find out the entire story.

And - if you try to find out the entire story - I believe (as Saphra clearly indicates) that it leads to no extra death.

THAT'S what makes a Renegade a douchebag.

Chorban probably thinks HE is defending himself when you come walking up to him like a thug on behalf of Jahleed (since he's never met you).

This would make sense if all of the "Renegade" players absolutely refused to be Paragon in their other Playthroughs, which is an absurd notion. The fact is that if a player talks to Jahleed first and has never talked to Chorban, perhaps even by coincidence, Chorban will attack you. It does not make a Renegade a douchebag or a tryhard that, even if they had no intention of gunning the guy down(like me), that they are angry enough or distrust Chorban too much to let him live.

Now based on what you say, Chorban could very well just want to defend himself, and that killing him after you defeat his bodyguards is just excessive. Chorban, however, in order to "defend himself", as every intention of killing Shepard if he has never met him. Chorban would not have shown mercy, and showing it to him in return is a hollow grain of morality, considering Shepard, Paragon or Renegade, and his whole squad, would be dead if Chorban had his way.

[Ryzaki]

not to mention renegade can just as easily avoid killing Chorban >_> Even my renedouche doesn't kill him.

[Omega4RelayResident]

To be honest I think my most insane answer on that test was the eugenics question. You know "Should people with heredidtary genetic dissorders be allowed to breed" I went total renegade on that one and I think it was my only renegade choice. If you count discipline for children then I made a few others.

However AS someone who had a father recently pass away from Colon Cancer which IS in fact hereditary I made this choice based on a lot of facts and personal experiences.

From a societal standpoint: I think eugenics is amoral and dispicable. Telling someone they cant attempt to lead a normal life is wrong and from a socially concious point of view I am against it.

From a scientific standpoint: Humanity has eliminated natural selection and replaced it with social selection. Breeding and the continuation of the human race is no longer dictated by genetic superiority. The weak and stupid breed flooding the collective gene pool with traits that do not promote a betterment of the race as a whole. The only qualities that will survive the breeding process down the line is greed, cunning, complacancy, laziness, and underhanded behavior.

Brilliant scientists do not breed because they are either too socially awkward for anyone to find attractive, or they are too caught up in their own work to find the time to have a family. On the other hand the attraction to the physically superior has been replaced with an attraction to those members of our society that by the "Laws of Nature" would never be able to survive. Lanky, skinny-jeans wearing, sickly looking Emo people have become the standard for beauty in the media. Not one quality can be extracted that point toward a survival instinct.

From a Personal perspective: I was born with with my father's probability of developing Colon Cancer... my girlfriend is constantly riding me to go to the doctor and get my self checked out yearly. Colon Cancer DOES have a high chance of being passed on to children. 60% my doc said. The funny part is I already survived childhood cancer.... cancerous cells were found in my bone marrow it self when I was 7 years old and through long therapy and treatment I had the chance to beat it. I walk in the Relay for Life every year. It seems my father had a genetic pre-disposition of developing it as well. NOTE: Pump a kid full of steroids to counteract treatments can cause a huge growth spurt.... 6'4" tall.

A lot of pain could have been avoided if my father was not allowed to breed. However I am alive and I am doing the best I can with it... however I am determined not to have kids of my own so that they dont have to deal with the same issues.

That was my most Renegade choice in the test.... I know people dont agree with me but I have a slightly different perspective on the issue I guess. Its good to know I am still very much Paragon for the most part. This test was very interesting.

To wrap up my ..... rant.... I think I will be very much happy staying Paragon all the way through.

PS. I have to congratulate Eternal for being closest to the middle out of all of us... good job Eternal that is in fact an achievement.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[Medhia Nox]

@HowlHowl - killing him is excessive - and since he would have killed you - the excess is justified.

I don't have a problem with that - but calling it "pragmatic" or "logical" is just smoke and mirrors (you didn't say that - it's a basic argument here on BSN for this sort of behavior)

It's "an eye for an eye" - a system of punishment that never ends unless those who punish practice willful ignorance (or blatant immorality I suppose)

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Since it bears repeating - I don't just hit "Blue... blue... blue" - I've chosen some Renegade options before.

[BlueMagitek]

Added to the chart.

www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php

Aww, Kaiser doesn't think I'm worthy. T_T

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:42 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

It's not really about what people pick as much as it is about what Bioware has done with that system. Blue button gets the most positive results... that's been the issue thusfar. There hasn't been a major decision where the Renegade or Neutral choice resulted in more lives saved, more positive feedback, or more content than the Paragon choice. The Paragon choice, on the other hand, has had those over the alternative choices.

Personally I'm a Paragade... but for the endgame decisions, I chose Neutral in ME1 and Renegade in ME2.

[NightAntilli]

I'll decide when the moment is there. There's no sense in speculating without knowing what the situation will be.

[DiebytheSword]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Added to the chart.

www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php

Aww, Kaiser doesn't think I'm worthy. T_T

That shouldn't bother you in the least.  I don't think whether he thinks I'm worthy or not applies to anything outside of his perception, nor do I care.