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[warriorN7]

hmmmm if you people were all in a room together and I asked this question and stepped out for a couple of hours would I just come back to a bunch of dead bodies and blood up the walls

[mauro2222]

And..... Saph's nerves just exploded.

[mango smoothie]

warriorN7 wrote...

hmmmm if you people were all in a room together and I asked this question and stepped out for a couple of hours would I just come back to a bunch of dead bodies and blood up the walls

IDK people tend to be more aggressive on the internet. Everytime I do real debates people respect each others opinions then I see debates on the internet and they chew each other up.

[Laser Beam]

mango smoothie wrote...

warriorN7 wrote...

hmmmm if you people were all in a room together and I asked this question and stepped out for a couple of hours would I just come back to a bunch of dead bodies and blood up the walls

IDK people tend to be more aggressive on the internet. Everytime I do real debates people respect each others opinions then I see debates on the internet and they chew each other up.

It's the lack of seeing a face and the ability to call a person fat when you are 400 pounds yourself.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well since Shepard is the last best hope of the galaxy I would hope he is smarter than I am.

What makes Shepard so important? There's nothing smart about Shepard's decision to destroy the Collector base. He doesn't offer a rational argument, all he does is preach about the "soul of the species", whatever that means. It's a moral decision for him, not a tactical one.

Ok, but if it is the right decision then it doesn't matter. Maybe it is a small angel on his shoulder that whispers in his ear. Maybe it is pure luck or destiny. It's not like in history always the smart decisions lead to success. Sometimes you just get lucky.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

DiebytheSword wrote...

This presumes that the reapers are indefeatable without the collector base.  Vigil plainly stated that they were not invincible to their own technology trap.  If development of mass effect technology goes past the point where Sovereign would normally being the decapitation attack against the Citadel, then their gambit has already failed, and the Reapers have a real war on their hands.  While there is little arguing that keeping the base should give Ceberus the upper hand dealing with the Reapers, there is also little indication that this tool will benefit anyone but Ceberus once the Reapers are taken care of.  Which of course fits the cause, in your case.

By the way, if it doesn't make Cerberus a large threat, then why would the information work differently in other factions' hands? Because I doubt there's a screen with Reaper blueprints in the Collector base that says "Hit here for massive damage!" or schematics of very powerful weapons. It makes no sense for Harbinger to store such vital information on a external computer, when he can just store it in his head.

It'll probably take a long time to go through all the data in the base and make good use out of it too.

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well since Shepard is the last best hope of the galaxy I would hope he is smarter than I am.

What makes Shepard so important? There's nothing smart about Shepard's decision to destroy the Collector base. He doesn't offer a rational argument, all he does is preach about the "soul of the species", whatever that means. It's a moral decision for him, not a tactical one.

I really do hate that "I won't let fear compromise who I am" line. There should've been more dialog choices in that decision.

Yeah I hate it too. Too cheesy.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

This presumes that the reapers are indefeatable without the collector base.

No, it only presumes that they might be. If they are defeatable without the Collector base then it won't have mattered and we can still win. If however the Collector base provides crucial intel or technology that makes victory possible, but you destroyed, then everyone is ****ed.

We've been around this particular bend before, either is a gamble.  It is up to each of us to decide the chances of being right and the costs of losing. 

[Il Divo]

Never surrender. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

[Annihilator27]

darkness reborn wrote...

warriorN7 wrote...

hmmmm if you people were all in a room together and I asked this question and stepped out for a couple of hours would I just come back to a bunch of dead bodies and blood up the walls

Ha! I would pay to see that.

I'll be the last one standing.Theres no meaning of opinion here lol.

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...

Never surrender. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

Spit Armageddon in the face instead.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ok, but if it is the right decision then it doesn't matter.

Have you ever heard of being right for the wrong reasons?

Well yes. I have even been right for the wrong reasons. And wrong for the right reasons. I have been at the right time in the wrong place and at the wrong time in the right place, etc, etc.

Sometimes you just can't know what happens next, no matter how much you plan and organize. Something happens and ... whoops ... your plan goes to hell. Then you improvise or just act impulsively. Or trust your feelings.

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well since Shepard is the last best hope of the galaxy I would hope he is smarter than I am.

What makes Shepard so important? There's nothing smart about Shepard's decision to destroy the Collector base. He doesn't offer a rational argument, all he does is preach about the "soul of the species", whatever that means. It's a moral decision for him, not a tactical one.

I really do hate that "I won't let fear compromise who I am" line. There should've been more dialog choices in that decision.

Yeah I hate it too. Too cheesy.

As well as being too idealistic.

I don't know I would maybe have thought the same. Just I wouldn't have said it loud. It is a bit awkward to say something like that. As if you have to convince yourself of it.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

No compromise. Once the enemy is engaged, all plans are thrown into the trash bin, anyways.

[capn233]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Blowing up the Collector base to protect the "soul of the species" and having Cerberus turn out to be enemies in ME3 is being right for the wrong reasons.

That was one of the most unsatisfying explanations that Shepard makes.

[someone else]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I am not debating moralities or decision making with regards to a Paragon or Renegade action, nor the consequences (WITHIN THE STOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYY!).

Don't hear - I can shout you.

...and unlike the rest of this thread, we - I am not about discussing comparative morality or in-game consequences - a topic which makes the proverbial dead horse seem like Secretariat.

I understand your objection.   I just fail to see what you would propose as a feasible alternative - what do you think would have been a fair gamestate reflecting your choices, other than the one you find yourself in upon starting ME2 as a ren or para?