rolson00 wrote...
KenKenpachi wrote...
WW2 is 1940, I'm speaking of pre WW1 history.
Like it or not, your Empire, or least when you had one is coverd in as much bloodshed as any other, even the US. There is nothing "Nobel" about any of it or any of them the simple truth is they all get where they are as well, if you can beat down the others around you, you are the boss. Thats how it is, I don't have to tell little lies or "causes" to make it better for me to hear.
Its like panama, we kept it and made use of the locals to build the Canal, as well we could and they couldn't stop us. Russia expanded as it could kill the other locals. You can say King and Country but well...the powerful always tred on the week, till they are cast down by one who is stronger. The English Empire in its hieght was no different, the Zulu's the conquest of India, the Opium Wars, the unfair treaty for Hong Kong. All Empires are that way. But if you want to hang on to a "Nobility" thats not nor ever was there, go ahead. Nations take things the same reason any person does. Greed and as it can. Then again I read too much into Real Poltik.
reread my post and quote the part when i said any of that im not saying we didnt do terrible things in our time but we more than made up for it by fighting two world wars . both of them we fought the first half alone but again if your going to make a point then give relevent sources other wise your simply trolling and being racist to people from the uk (i am of course refering to things like your kill enough of us comment)
I fail to see how thats Racist. We left Vietnam and Somolia, and will leave Afghanistan given our losses. Most of the Europeans left Africa and Asia once the locals got the nerve to revolt.The Gurkha's gave the British force heavy losses which lead directly to the parlay, had the situation been reversed the peace treaty would have never been wrote. Can you honestly say thats not so? So thus if you want to get the big dog out of your yard, at times you gotta give it a swift kick to the gut. And it at times is better to make peace than it is to win at the cost of a broken Army, or admit defeat in a face saving way.
As to the World Wars, I think France And Russia (The later Who by and large broke the Germans Backs in the 2nd, and the former stoped in the 1st.) would like a Word with you, so do speak of Racisim, to the 20 million Rusians, and 8 Million French you readily ignore and paid the price with death... And also WW1 was a pointless and stupid War caused by back room deals and misguided "European Dominance". But if you want to keep this going send a PM. Also in the case of WW1, Imperial Germany wasn't some great evil. I'ld rather not get this topic locked.
As to the topic, If humans wanted to go into space really baddly we would have done so back in the 80's.
Hell the only reasson we even went is given the Cold War, with the world spit in too. Right now only the Chinese...provided they keep the public at bay, are the only ones pushing for it, and the Russians wanting to catch up with the Soviet Legacy.
The US was only in it as we didn't want the Russians to win, and later on as we made money putting tech crap into space. Too many people are creatures of comfort, and woefully ignorant of the space program, most of them pointing out "We have enough problems here" Which can be solved from space with enough money, time, and well risks.
I mean we humans think we are so advaned, to a space fairing civilization, we would barely be a Tier 4 Civilization, Would you go on vacation to backwoods Alabama? Or Mogadishu? Most likely no, so if you were some scout and came upon a planet that was ignorant yet heavily armed, you most likely would flag it with a yellow flag.
If your peaceful, its a nut house, if your hostile its more trouble than its worth, as to make use of it all the infastruture needed to make it useful for you would need to be brought in, on top of a military conflict.
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