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[lobi]

Entropy, look it up. Apply it's rules to the notion of intersteller flight. Your physical universe has laws of physics to prevent 'cross-pollination' or 'infection' spreading from one galaxy to another.
Barring a freak of science occouring the time needed to formulate efficient manned travel across the void would be longer than the life span of a civilisation.
Combine this with the resources required to transport live cargo and the cost in dollars as well as political considerations. Sad but true.

[Had-to-say]

lobi wrote...

Entropy, look it up. Apply it's rules to the notion of intersteller flight. Your physical universe has laws of physics to prevent 'cross-pollination' or 'infection' spreading from one galaxy to another.
Barring a freak of science occouring the time needed to formulate efficient manned travel across the void would be longer than the life span of a civilisation.
Combine this with the resources required to transport live cargo and the cost in dollars as well as political considerations. Sad but true.

This is not to refute your point above, which is correct based on current information. I  just want to offer another perspective for you to think about  You should watch this clip .www.youtube.com/watch

I do however think it is wrong for us to speculate about other civilisation and what they might be capable of.  Humans do not occupy a privileged position in the universe.  99.9% of the observable universe wants to kill us.

If you could also check out this clip:www.youtube.com/watch

[Halfdan The Menace]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

So, what your more or less telling me is the these supposed creatures are/were the inspiration or were the literal reprensations of the ancient gods/godesses of Eygpt?? And that apparently some them for mysterious reasons decided to destroy sentient life? Am I right so far or have I missed something?

How does this correlate these reptiles to basically uplifting ancient man technologically if, as you say they were hell bent on destruction on a cosmic scale? Sounds slightly contradictory to be honest.

It sounds interesing and who knows maybe those systems are inhabinated, but so far it's strecthing my suspension of disbelief. No offence to you mate and actually I was a bit like you once, into all those conspiracy theories and everything. Had a real UFO obession for awhile but it calmed. Still, I find this all very interesting including your theories. You've been working on this for sometime haven't you?

What do you know of the societees called Contactees?

Sorry for being very off-topic. I'll try to keep that to a minimium.This a good thread Imo.

Live Long and prosper. Sorry, couldn't resist LoL.

*sigh*

Watch this video again - Underground Reptilian City Discovered In Egypt


Something that makes sense, it makes sense YES! "The Three Of Mary" as mentioned by the Egyptian taxi driver. For such a place even exists! Local traditions pray that when the Holy Family - Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus took refuge in Egypt fleeing the persecution of King Herod, rested in the shade of a tree, which has since become sacred and the object of fervent cult...

... a tree that exist to this day (photo) is revered by locals, a fervor so great that even a great temple was built in its vicinity religious...


And the so called city "Eye Of The Sun", or rather the "Eye Of Ra" also mentioned by the driver, existed in a place very close and that only left old and crumbling ruins.


The word of the Egyptian taxi driver, "beings like us but with tails" Yes, and something that would remind us ready for the Anunnaki - a race of reptilian beings vry old and invasive, which many millions of years been present on Earth (2 Billion Year Old Nuclear Reactor). An alien race, that in fact been present on Earth and especially in the ancient Sumerian civilization and the second oldest traditions, mastering it and literally ennslaving it. In Sumerian relief above we can clearly identify an airship, a sun and the representation of the sevenn stars of Pleiades.


Our planet has th indisputable evidence that in times long backward and forgotten, a violent nuclear conflagration was present, completely annihilating many cultures around the world. In Mohenjo Daro in Pakistan, for example, remains completely melted and glazed, as well as skeletons still highly radioactive and likewise literally "embodied" in the soil, indicate that a violent thing that came from the sky detonated at 150 meters above the region, devastating everything, in other words, it was deliberate attack and most of all caused by an atomic device. In summary, the Earth was attacked in our remote past!!


Temple of Hathor in Denderah, Egyptians, possibly enslaved, carrying the huge lamps, under the supervision of a strange creature, pictured right, daggers whose hands it takes to suggest attitudes of intimidation and threat...

...and you notice that this creature is clearly REPTILIAN, "the only difference between us and them is that they have tails" - the word of the Egyptian taxi driver.


Prodigious previously existing facilities? YES!! Since there is no denying the fact that all of Egypt is truly driven by a vast and intricate network of underground tunnels and galleries, a work of civilization in our most remote and forgotten past!


Which incidently is already known from the same distant year of 1935, but always blocked and stuffy! Such tunnels and galleries, by the way, have been properly detected by our ground penetrating radar (GPR) and the Government of Egypt vehemently deny any authorization for exploration of this mystery. Why would it be? It would be a reason of this strange attitude the fact that anything new and unusual not only come to contradict everything that is solidly established in terms of history and knowledge because of the potential and dangerous threat posed by reptilian creatures burrowing, intruders, who had long had settled there? Very curious that even the order had been given by President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Ok. Two billion years ago the Earth was still more or less a ball of Molten rock and completley inhospitable to life. Life did not appear on Earth until roughly 600-400 million years ago. One and half billions years after the supposed creation of this nuclear reactor.

Lets say for the moment that this reactor exists/existed and is 2 billion years old. Ok, why would anybody bother considering colonizing a ball of lava and build a nuclear reactor on it's surface? For a race to be advanced enough to travel the stars, what need would they have of nuclear technology?

Surely they would have access to much more powerful and renewable sources of energy like say fusion technology for example. Also why Earth? What could a planet in such an early stage in development have any kind of interest for an alien race?. What's more how could such a reactor survive the fierce heat, radiation and climate of such a world? And even if it did wouldn't any materials be locked kilometers under the Earth given such extreme age?

Uranium by the way has a life-span of only a few thousand or hundred thousand years. So no mater how long it was theoretically used for or how much was produced. None of it would last in the ground with any kind of trace for two billion years. It's simply impossible for that element to last so long.

If the evidence is as you say 'indisputable' then surely the scientific community would accept such an interpretation as fact would it not? Also nuclear weapons are not the only powers of such devastation. For example an asteroid impact is quite capable of generating an explosion similar to a nuclear device i.e K-T extinction event and 1908 Tunguska explosion are just a few examples.

Also massive volcanic eruptions can liquefy people and animals or entomb them in ash -see Mount Vesuvius and Pomepii. So a natural disaster such as I have explained could be responsible for such destruction, also note that when an asteroid or comet impacts a surface they often release base elements that are radioactive in nature such as isotopes.

Of course it is also possible that your are right and some kind of weapons was responsible for the destruction. I am just pointing out that there are alternative explanations for the phenenoma that you describe besides your own conclusions. I am not saying that you are wrong or crazy, simply pointing that out that something else could have been the cause.

Well it is interesting that former president Hosini Mubrak ordered the tunnels closed. Most likely he was hiding weapons/oil/money/drugs or even uranium fuel rods who knows but obviously they wanted to hide something. By the way what is with the camel? I don't get why they filmed it? Also those were some really lame special effects but then I wasn't expecting anything spectacular.

Hmm people with tails huh? thats interesting, did you know that there are people in India who are born with a rare mutation which causes their tail bones to actually grow into tails? Apparently such people are seen as avatars of certain Hindu gods or are else touched by heaven and are thus worshipped? Perhaps there are people in Eygpt who have a similar condition?

How does that make them reptiles pray tell just because they have tails? Monkeys have tails. Lions have tails, dogs have tails heck even bats have small tails. Does that make them reptiles? or Alien? Most creatures on earth have a tail or something like it. Only a few animals like the Great apes and Humans are truly tail less.

Also the taxi driver said that they 'looked just like us but with tails' if they look just like us then that means that they have hair, are bipedal and wear clothes. Thus they are mammals and more ever are Human. Does having a tail stop you from being human hmm? has it occured to you that these people were/are likely homeless probably because of their unusual 'features' i.e shunned and perhaps had no where to go but those tunnels.?

If so, then likely the tunnels were sealed because of prejudice/discrimination against such people. Don't forget that the former president was a tyrant and it may have been an act to get rid of undesirables in the area by sealing the tunnels or they moved the people out and then sealed them so that no one could go back and live there/ After all you wouldn't want people/tourists to know that there are homeless people with tails walking around would you? It would be a bad public image.

Or maybe your right and they were lizard people who have the power to change their form and look human except for having tails. I guess it's down to a matter of perspective and which is more likely.

As for the Egyptians and the Sumerians. The Sumerians, I think is quite possible as the Bablyonians in their capital of Bablyon had images in their ancient temples and monuments  which made reference to such an event. The Assyrians apparently stole an ancient artefact that had belonged to the Sumerians
believing it to have been a gift from 'on high' or the gods. It was made with an unknown metal and highly decorated but thats all I know. The original Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures of the Bible describe a meeting between the Sumerians or a group of people and something called a "chariot of fire, that descended down from heaven".

So, it's possible I'll give you that. The Egyptians were likely enslaved or  on 'loan' for work on the temple. The strange figure is possibly one of the priests of either Sobek, Tawret or Thoth. Maybe Anubis, my point is that there is evidence that priests on special ceremonies/occasions would wear a headress or costume of their chosen god and it is known that in the early dynasties human sacrifice was practiced. So that could be the reason for the knife and the strange figure. By the way I cannot view the picture as for some reason they are not showing up.

Wasn't the Eye of Ra or the City of the Sun supposed to have been as a palace made by Ra's wife for Ra after he was killed by Seth? My memory is a little fuzzy on egyptian mythology.

It is quite possible that aliens did visit us in our ancient past as in those societies such creatures would have been viewed as either gods, demons,angels or any other kind of mystical or spiritual entity. The Sumerian pictograph (I think thats what you call it) of what seems to be space men coming out of a cylindrical object. A strange find don't you think?

Sorry, if it's too long or just walls of text. Anyway, thats all I have to say.

Modifié par The Everchosen of Chaos, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I can still think of Reptilians slavers which could have existed between 20 million to 10,000 years ago.

Also I think that testing the age of objects with half life of Carbon-14 or Uranium, isn't precise and could become wrong, especially for so old objects.

[Halfdan The Menace]

@The Everchosen Of Chaos

Well said.  *clapclapclapclap*

What is a fact is that it is extremely difficult to travel anywhere in Egypt without a guide and military-checkpoints. My friend traveled there, he wondered why freedom of travel was so restricted. Rent a car and just drive out into the desert by yourself, away from the tourist roads? Forget it. He once tried that and the military check-point guys ask him to get out of the car and started interrogating him why he wanted to leave the main road.

He said: "Just for fun. I want to travel on a road without traffic and tourist buses".

"No possible, no possible" - the guards kept telling him.

I thought to myself: What dangers could he possibly encounter other than desert sand? man-eating camels?

Odd thing that is.

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 16 décembre 2011 - 04:16 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Thank you, Thank you. 'Takes a bow'. I am glad that you appreciate my post. That is very true of Egypt even now after the revolution. It's true of a lot countries like Israel or Iraq for example. Actually a friend of mine visited Israel last year and she wasn't allowed to go off the tour guides or go anywhere on her own or with her friends. Because if she did the police and military would show up and stop them.

Unlike Egypt we know you and I what Israel is hiding. Mistreatment and abuse of Palestinians and other groups. Did you know that they 'the palestinians aren't ever allowed to fetch their own water or have their own water supply without permission from Tel Avi? It's a desert country as well! Sorry for the rant but abuse and discrimination makes me angry mate.

Probably military testing sites, the Egyptian equivalent of Nevada and Area 51. just a lot smaller probably. Area 51 exists you know and they do test new technology but no one knows if they do have aliens inside. Apparently wikileaks gave out some material on area 51 before the site was locked down. I wonder if anyone remembers what leak said?

LoL, man-eating camels?, might as well have man-eating sheep LoL. 

So, what's your opinion may I ask? on Nasa/ESA and going to Mars? What do think will be next thing to happen? Personally I think we'll explore Europa and the Moons of Saturn first or I hope so at least.

Thanks again. It's nice to talk about these things with you.

Modifié par The Everchosen of Chaos, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:18 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

You are right about carbon dating it is quite often inaccurate and imprecise of a dating model. Again age would hinder rather than help carbon dating but there are other better dating methods than carbon dating, but you are right to point that out, Jedi Sentinel Arian.

So who knows?
Sorry for the double post.

[grregg]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Ok. Two billion years ago the Earth was still more or less a ball of Molten rock and completley inhospitable to life. Life did not appear on Earth until roughly 600-400 million years ago. One and half billions years after the supposed creation of this nuclear reactor.

Lets say for the moment that this reactor exists/existed and is 2 billion years old. Ok, why would anybody bother considering colonizing a ball of lava and build a nuclear reactor on it's surface? For a race to be advanced enough to travel the stars, what need would they have of nuclear technology?

Surely they would have access to much more powerful and renewable sources of energy like say fusion technology for example. Also why Earth? What could a planet in such an early stage in development have any kind of interest for an alien race?. What's more how could such a reactor survive the fierce heat, radiation and climate of such a world? And even if it did wouldn't any materials be locked kilometers under the Earth given such extreme age?

Uranium by the way has a life-span of only a few thousand or hundred thousand years. So no mater how long it was theoretically used for or how much was produced. None of it would last in the ground with any kind of trace for two billion years. It's simply impossible for that element to last so long.

If the evidence is as you say 'indisputable' then surely the scientific community would accept such an interpretation as fact would it not?

(...)

Couple of corrections if I may.

Two billion years ago Earth wasn't a molten ball of rock. Not even close. The life on Earth is estimated to have begun around 4 billion years ago. In fact the last universal ancestor is supposed to have lived around 3.5 billion years ago.

The prehistoric nuclear reactor is very much accepted by science. It existed about 1.7 billion years ago in Gabon in Africa. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're curious. There is some evidence that once (around 3 billion years ago) they might have been fairly common. One might have even existed on Mars, the possible remnants were detected by Mars Odyssey orbiter.

As far as we know they occur (or have occurred) naturally requiring no aliens to build them.

[Halfdan The Menace]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Probably military testing sites, the Egyptian equivalent of Nevada and Area 51. just a lot smaller probably. Area 51 exists you know and they do test new technology but no one knows if they do have aliens inside. Apparently wikileaks gave out some material on area 51 before the site was locked down. I wonder if anyone remembers what leak said?

LoL, man-eating camels?, might as well have man-eating sheep LoL. 

So, what's your opinion may I ask? on Nasa/ESA and going to Mars? What do think will be next thing to happen? Personally I think we'll explore Europa and the Moons of Saturn first or I hope so at least.

Thanks again. It's nice to talk about these things with you.

Heh! forget that camel/sheep part.

Egyptian equivalent of Nevada/Area 51? Hmm..sort of... especially because the Middle East had history with these ancient beings. In one of John Lears video's he claims he was flying a charter to someplace in Egypt and flew at night the runway lit up - he landed and offloaded the plane and took off - not thinking much about it... a couple weeks later he was on another flight and decided to fly over where he landed before and it was not there... and he's positive it was the same place. south of Cairo in the middle of the desert.

About Area 51, watch this full episode..
UFO HUnters S02E13 - Area 51 Revealed(FULL)
Dulce Underground Base

The Roswell UFO, one Grey survived the crash and stuff you should see;
William Cooper on EBE The live alien from Roswell crash
http://www.bibliotec...etproject01.htm

Mars may have been like the Earth in its past. Although no signs of life on Mars have been found, scientists will continue to search because they are aware of the potential for life in extreme environments. In the past, Mars was much different than it is today. Liquid water used to flow on the surface. Both the Earth and Mars should have been frozen in their early history because the sun was weak at first, but both planets show that water was flowing, which suggests that they both must have had thick atmospheres in place to keep the surface warm. In this environment life may have once existed. The atmospheres on both planets came out of volcanoes. There were not many volcanoes on Mars, and those volcanoes were never very active. Compare this to the Earth where volcanism continues today. The volcanic eruptions produce a lot of water. The water eventually falls to the ground or into the oceans. Mars is small, and so cooled off very rapidly. Mars was sufficiently cold for water to be absorbed into the ground and freeze like tundra in the Canadian northwest. Today scientists estimate that a large amount of water is frozen into the surface of Mars. They estimate this happened by 2.8 billion years ago. While few things could seem more remote, some scientists now believe that the earliest traces of life on Earth originated on Mars -- and parts of that planet are actually more hospitable to life than we previously thought. Actually there is a myth about real-life Martian people on Mars, you can read it here; Planet X Nibiru

I don't know about Europa but Titan? yes. Scientists have found evidence that there is life on the Saturn's biggest moon. They have discovered clues that primitive aliens are breathing in Titan's atmosphere and feeding on fuel at the surface. The startling discoveries, made using an orbiting spacecraft, are revealed in two separate reports. Data from Nasa's Cassini probe has analysed the complex chemistry on the surface of Titan - the only moon known to have a dense atmosphere. Its surface is covered with mountains, lakes and rivers which has led astronomers to call it the most Earthlike world in the solar system. Organic chemicals had already been detected on the 3,200-mile wide planet. But the liquid on Titan is not water but methane and the scientists expect life there to be methane-based, Not all life breathe in the same air you know?

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

grregg wrote...

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Ok. Two billion years ago the Earth was still more or less a ball of Molten rock and completley inhospitable to life. Life did not appear on Earth until roughly 600-400 million years ago. One and half billions years after the supposed creation of this nuclear reactor.

Lets say for the moment that this reactor exists/existed and is 2 billion years old. Ok, why would anybody bother considering colonizing a ball of lava and build a nuclear reactor on it's surface? For a race to be advanced enough to travel the stars, what need would they have of nuclear technology?

Surely they would have access to much more powerful and renewable sources of energy like say fusion technology for example. Also why Earth? What could a planet in such an early stage in development have any kind of interest for an alien race?. What's more how could such a reactor survive the fierce heat, radiation and climate of such a world? And even if it did wouldn't any materials be locked kilometers under the Earth given such extreme age?

Uranium by the way has a life-span of only a few thousand or hundred thousand years. So no mater how long it was theoretically used for or how much was produced. None of it would last in the ground with any kind of trace for two billion years. It's simply impossible for that element to last so long.

If the evidence is as you say 'indisputable' then surely the scientific community would accept such an interpretation as fact would it not?

(...)

Couple of corrections if I may.

Two billion years ago Earth wasn't a molten ball of rock. Not even close. The life on Earth is estimated to have begun around 4 billion years ago. In fact the last universal ancestor is supposed to have lived around 3.5 billion years ago.

The prehistoric nuclear reactor is very much accepted by science. It existed about 1.7 billion years ago in Gabon in Africa. Look it up on Wikipedia if you're curious. There is some evidence that once (around 3 billion years ago) they might have been fairly common. One might have even existed on Mars, the possible remnants were detected by Mars Odyssey orbiter.

As far as we know they occur (or have occurred) naturally requiring no aliens to build them.

Thank you for correcting me. I obviously had gotten the dating wrong. My mistake, hmm but how is a nuclear reactor natural so to speak? the word reactor implies something artificial or man-made? I'll look it up for sure. Well we do know that Mars was once very wet and likely had more tectonic activity going on. Ok, I believe you. It's just sounds odd is all.

I wonder if any of these natural nuclear reactors exist today or somewhere else in the solar system and if we can use them. It is all very interesting.
 

[shnizzler93]

Fermi paradox.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Probably military testing sites, the Egyptian equivalent of Nevada and Area 51. just a lot smaller probably. Area 51 exists you know and they do test new technology but no one knows if they do have aliens inside. Apparently wikileaks gave out some material on area 51 before the site was locked down. I wonder if anyone remembers what leak said?

LoL, man-eating camels?, might as well have man-eating sheep LoL. 

So, what's your opinion may I ask? on Nasa/ESA and going to Mars? What do think will be next thing to happen? Personally I think we'll explore Europa and the Moons of Saturn first or I hope so at least.

Thanks again. It's nice to talk about these things with you.

Heh! forget that camel/sheep part.

Egyptian equivalent of Nevada/Area 51? Hmm..sort of... especially because the Middle East had history with these ancient beings. In one of John Lears video's he claims he was flying a charter to someplace in Egypt and flew at night the runway lit up - he landed and offloaded the plane and took off - not thinking much about it... a couple weeks later he was on another flight and decided to fly over where he landed before and it was not there... and he's positive it was the same place. south of Cairo in the middle of the desert.

About Area 51, watch this full episode..
UFO HUnters S02E13 - Area 51 Revealed(FULL)
Dulce Underground Base

The Roswell UFO, one Grey survived the crash and stuff you should see;
William Cooper on EBE The live alien from Roswell crash
http://www.bibliotec...etproject01.htm

Mars may have been like the Earth in its past. Although no signs of life on Mars have been found, scientists will continue to search because they are aware of the potential for life in extreme environments. In the past, Mars was much different than it is today. Liquid water used to flow on the surface. Both the Earth and Mars should have been frozen in their early history because the sun was weak at first, but both planets show that water was flowing, which suggests that they both must have had thick atmospheres in place to keep the surface warm. In this environment life may have once existed. The atmospheres on both planets came out of volcanoes. There were not many volcanoes on Mars, and those volcanoes were never very active. Compare this to the Earth where volcanism continues today. The volcanic eruptions produce a lot of water. The water eventually falls to the ground or into the oceans. Mars is small, and so cooled off very rapidly. Mars was sufficiently cold for water to be absorbed into the ground and freeze like tundra in the Canadian northwest. Today scientists estimate that a large amount of water is frozen into the surface of Mars. They estimate this happened by 2.8 billion years ago. While few things could seem more remote, some scientists now believe that the earliest traces of life on Earth originated on Mars -- and parts of that planet are actually more hospitable to life than we previously thought. Actually there is a myth about real-life Martian people on Mars, you can read it here; Planet X Nibiru

I don't know about Europa but Titan? yes. Scientists have found evidence that there is life on the Saturn's biggest moon. They have discovered clues that primitive aliens are breathing in Titan's atmosphere and feeding on fuel at the surface. The startling discoveries, made using an orbiting spacecraft, are revealed in two separate reports. Data from Nasa's Cassini probe has analysed the complex chemistry on the surface of Titan - the only moon known to have a dense atmosphere. Its surface is covered with mountains, lakes and rivers which has led astronomers to call it the most Earthlike world in the solar system. Organic chemicals had already been detected on the 3,200-mile wide planet. But the liquid on Titan is not water but methane and the scientists expect life there to be methane-based, Not all life breathe in the same air you know?

Very mysterious in regards to that man's experience. Maybe the people simply weren't using it that night or did fly over it during the day? Perhaps it was then buried by sand or is even underground. quite possible given the heat of the desert.  Ancient beings do seem to come up a lot in the middle east, I wonder why though? what makes that land more special than any other? Very interesting. 

I agree with you on Mars. You are correct to point out the volcanoes, are instrumental in producing gases and the beginnings of an atmosphere. True Mars was frozen and it still frozen at the poles with a form of liquid water but apparently it isn't H2O but rather carbon or something. Actually they are sending a new probe called curiosity to check those more hospitable areas, one them is called the gale canyon/trench. Well if there was life billions of years ago, then it's possible however unlikely that there was sentient/sapient life as well. Oh yeah I'm familiar with the life from mars seeded earth theory and it is possible.

Yes Titan is very interesting. apparently it is supposed to be rather like the early Earth when life was first forming. thats right tiny microbes or bacteria live in the methane lakes and breath ammonia? Methane? I forget.. No I know and it most likely that life on extra solar planets i.e planets outside our solar system do not breather oxygen/nitrogen/carbon dioxide but some other gas like methane. It is very interesting.

Though I don't we could live on Titan unless we built buildings that their own climate and oxygen supply. not too mention we would have to wear heavy suits to stop us from dying fro either exposure or suffocation. Apparently Titan despite its thick atmosphere is very cold.

Still one day we will colonize other planets. 

[Halfdan The Menace]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Very mysterious in regards to that man's experience. Maybe the people simply weren't using it that night or did fly over it during the day? Perhaps it was then buried by sand or is even underground. quite possible given the heat of the desert.  Ancient beings do seem to come up a lot in the middle east, I wonder why though? what makes that land more special than any other? Very interesting. 

Yes Titan is very interesting. apparently it is supposed to be rather like the early Earth when life was first forming. thats right tiny microbes or bacteria live in the methane lakes and breath ammonia? Methane? I forget.. No I know and it most likely that life on extra solar planets i.e planets outside our solar system do not breather oxygen/nitrogen/carbon dioxide but some other gas like methane. It is very interesting.

Though I don't we could live on Titan unless we built buildings that their own climate and oxygen supply. not too mention we would have to wear heavy suits to stop us from dying fro either exposure or suffocation. Apparently Titan despite its thick atmosphere is very cold.

Still one day we will colonize other planets. 

Those ancient aliens need huge areas for their aircraft and spacecraft, Not only in the Middle East but deserts around the world. For example the Nazca Lines are a series of ancient geoglyphs located in the Nazca Desert of Peru. Archaeologists, ethnologists and anthropologists have studied the ancient Nazca culture and the complex to try to determine the purpose of the lines and figures.

One theory is that the Nazca people created them to be seen by their gods in the sky. Swiss author Erich von Däniken suggests the Nazca lines and other complex constructions represent higher technological knowledge that he believes existed when the glyphs were created. Von Däniken maintains that the Nazca lines in Peru are runways of an ancient airfield that served ancient aliens from another culture Von Däniken's claims. Researchers concluded the lines were made by the Nazca Pre-Incan culture between 300 B.C. and 700 A.D. Since the Nazca pampa has an almost complete lack of windy weather or rain, the stone piles that make the lines have withstood the elements for thousands of years. Looking at the Nazca lines, many have begun to understand what Swiss Author Erich von Däniken has theorised about ancient aliens using these air lanes like a modern day airport.



Damn, they already have helicopters and airships wayyy before us...

If a race of alien beings wanted to know what Earth's mineral content was, they would use the Peru for a base of operations. Filled with Earth's minerals, Peru would be a perfect location to do any kind of research about Earth and what it would have to offer. Building an Airport would certainly be advantageous for such a venture by an ancient civilization.

About Titan, It would be funny if those primitive aliens thinks Humans as their "gods" if we ever set foot there lol..; Cargo cult

[Had-to-say]

I didn't want to start a new thread about this so I will put it here. If you want to believe check out this link. I can't say what this is, but I can say what it isn't.www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57347270/the-ufo-that-panicked-kansas/

Modifié par Had-to-say, 23 décembre 2011 - 11:08 .

[hidden185]

J0HNL3I wrote...
I just saw this when I logged out hotmail after checking my emails and thought people might be interested.
http://news.uk.msn.c...y-of-earth-twin

Dear Bioware Staff and
Developers for Mass Effect Series,

If Mass Effect 3 team decides to include Kepler 22b or any of the Kepler Series exoplanets in ME3, would it be possible for them to use the original name Kepler 22b or Kepler __ instead of coming up new names?  I am specifically talking about the name that will display when they select the actual star to go to like you would in ME2 or select the planet.  The short reason for this request can best be explained by the following url, which describes why we named Kepler 22b the way we did and how due to sheer volume of processing, the exoplanet community probably will not get a chance to name this planet any time soon:
http://www.telegraph...dull-names.html

I know that I do not ask this lightly as many of the staff, such as writer Drew Karpyshyn, may have possibly expected to come up with a nickname for Kepler 22b much like Kepler 16 is "Tattoine" or may feel that my request restricts their creative license too much.  However, it would mean a lot to Dr. William Borucki's and Dr. Natalie Batalha's team, who discovered Kepler 22b, and be respectful of the entire Kepler team, in a time when media (*) would rather criticize exoplanet research like the Kepler mission.

Though there is little I could possibly do to repay you, my astrophysics professors, my astronomy club, and I would be eternally grateful if you all could listen to my request.
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In good faith, I will try to contribute to this discussion by pointing a couple
of things:

Clarification 1) On the Albedo of Exoplanets: It actually very hard to figure out the bond albedo and precise chemical makeup of objects more distant than Pluto from us.  This is why an albedo really is not measured for exoplanets Instead they use a very complex set of formula-models to roughly estimate temperature intensity difference. Some of the models have an indirectly calculated "geometric albedo" though not all.  In fact, I actually need to remember later to contact three professors about the current version of formulas they use. What I do remember though is that the albedo/especially used for Kepler 20 and Kepler 22 was not earths even though model themselves are based on earths and other terrestrial planets.

marbatico wrote...

dont get your hopes up, they dont even know for sure if there is liquid water on that planet

Clarification 2) On the Atmosphere of Exoplanets:  Because it’s hard to find the albedo of reflective objects as distant as Pluto, it is often improbable to measure accurately the atmospheric spectrum of an exoplanet to know if it has water.  In fact, the only exoplanets whose spectrum is often reported by exoplanet.eu or SIMBAD are Chitonians or Hot Neptune’s that turning Chitonian. Now because Chitonian is a hypothetical planet, I am referring more to the set of planets that have a strange gaseous dust surrounding as well as close and hot enough to be eaten by its sun. Because we either can infer or can directly observe this planet being eaten apart, the spectrum of dust surrounding the planet can be used to infer the spectrum of the planet’s atmosphere.
  My guess on how astronomers will tell if there is water on regular planets not being eaten? Probably, they will find it by measuring the dust around the exoplanet and seeing if there are any locations of water and metal, particularly in a band form that would have an orbital resonance with the exoplanet's orbit.  Then, they will make an educated guess that the planet probably has water as you mentioned.  

Kazanth wrote...

Discovering a planet that could contain life (possibly including intelligent and genocidal aliens) one month away from 2012, coincidence? I think not.

Clarification 3) Date of Discovery: Kepler 22b was actually confirmed a lot earlier than December, but was found around the time of exoplanets of Kepler 16 and 20. I know this because I still have a copy of the ND agreement that prevented me from telling people early.  However, it was actually first observed as an object back in 2009 as the official website can tell you.

Useful Links:

The official Kepler 22b page:
http://kepler.nasa.g...News&NewsID=165
and
http://kepler.nasa.g...ries/kepler22b/ 

edit: corrected link

 Kepler 22 in the Galaxy: 

Galactic Standard Coordinates 79°05'31.02'' and 15°47'32.35'' deg (cerca J2000)
(using 
http://lambda.gsfc.n...nverters_ov.cfm  )

http://galaxymap.org...r22b/poster.png 
http://galaxymap.org/drupal/node/181 

Please Note for ME2 fans:  The map in Mass Effect 2 is upside down with
respect to regular galactic coordinate system even though ME2 is in the future.
Also while not in the traditional 30 ly to 250 ly Neighborhood, Kepler 22b just outside the edge of the Local Bubble and with the Gould Belt
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(*)I doubt I will have a chance to explain later, I am specifically referring to NBC: Nightline and Washington Journals reporting of the Kepler 22b discovery that criticized the discovery.
P.S. I am sorry for the uncouthness or lack of detail.  I had a more detailed message but I am still trying to figure out how this version of php/bbcode works. >-<;
P.P.S.  Also I am sorry for "reviving" a possible dead topic.  I wanted to reply sooner; however, I was bound by a nondisclosure  agreement because I found out about Kepler 19 - 22 back in mid-October with several other observers.  NASA wanted to delay the date of the discovery for funding reasons till that month in December, so I and others that attended the conferences had to sign an NDA.  They actually discovered something more interesting Kepler 22b involving moons; however, I am still bound by that part of the nondisclosure agreement till late Summer early Fall.

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[caradoc2000]

Now we need the discovery of the Charon Mass Relay.

[hidden185]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Now we need the discovery of the Charon Mass Relay.

Well, I am not sure how probable Mass Relay are; however, I do remember was one international project that NASA that would have indirectly provided a answer to if gravity manipulating warp drives (specifically an Alcubierre metric or wormhole were even feasibly possible.   The project was called LISA (see links below) and it would have been a direct measure of gravity waves, test of General Relativity, and help improve our understanding of quantum gravity:
http://en.wikipedia....r_Space_Antenna 
http://en.wikipedia....LISA_Pathfinder 
http://en.wikipedia....vitational_wave 

However, space exploration is really an aside for another time (or the PS below). 

Back to more clarifcations:

Obadiah wrote...

I thought the story was pretty interesting, but just remember they are deducing the existence of these planets based on the twinkling of the stars they orbit, and (I think) red-shifts in their light to determine distance. We know quite a lot about the universe, but considering how much we keep discovering, I'm not ready to jump for joy based on these deductions just yet.

Would be pretty awesome if it turns out to be true. How do you think the colonization rights might play out? I'm guessing if colonizing planets ever became viable, we could be looking at a whole new reason for conflicts between countries and corporations.

Clarification 4) Well I do remember one or two of the detection methods be refered to as twinkling (like for Formhaut b or the radial velocity method); however, in the specific case of Kepler 22b, it was discovered by the transit method.  In other words we looking at a main sequence star and saw a hole pass straight across it.  This hole is observed as a moving dip in the spectral intensity from the star. The hole is to small to be a dwarf star and does not emit like a white dwarf or neutron star, so its probably a planet much like the hole created when venus passed infront of our own Sun.

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...
Sid Meier's Kepler-22b

I lol'd.

Actually as humorous as it that sounds TheBlackBaron did remind me of how not to long ago some did ask why Alpha Centauri did not have any exoplantes.  To answer the reason way, I am going to need help from an interactive by McGraw Hill:
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/SolarSystem

Now Alpha Centauri is a special binary star system, with a K and G star however, it also has a Proxima Centauri.  Due to this setup there are two problems with this system one of orbital resonance and one of Mass Distribution during the Planetary Nebula Phase 6.5 billion years ago.  ( http://en.wikipedia....bital_Resonance  ).

•  The orbital resonance
  issue is a slightly challenging for people to understand, so I provided the interactive above to help.  Planets do not all form even at the same time, but typically the largest planets form first followed by the smaller ones.  Using the interactive above, try to create multiple hot Jupiter’s or two hot Jupiter’s less than 1 AU (or 1 grid apart).  As you can see they will more often than not collide with each other because the orbits or certain resonance so that pull of one planet as its created does not alter the pull drastically of another older planet.   Thus there are only special distances that planets can form and not collide with another planet within 100 years of formation.  Now let’s create a system similar to Alpha Centauri using two Hot Jupiter’s to mimic the gravity of the stars, since while less massive than stars, Hot Jupiter’s are only slightly less massive than Brown Dwarfs and will serve our purpose nicely.  Place one Hot Jupiter very close to the main star but with a little room (like the middle) and place the other one just one the edge of the map.  Now place any planets any location you want between the first Jupiter and the main star.  As you may notice you can place planets in the system, but still at very specific locations in order to have a proper resonance with the two larger objects.   As the object getd more massive the number of possible orbital resonances decreases.  Thus you can easily see way due to the unique orbital resonance of the binary star with a companion system, there is not much room for exoplanets unless they are very close to the
  host star and thus very hot.
• The Mass Distribution problem is easy to understand when you look just at the Alpha Centauri System orbits.( http://en.wikipedia....i_AB_arcsec.png ) When Alpha Centauri was still a single star in a nebula of gas, it was kind of like our sun, but with a little more gas and dust to form planets.  In fact there was enough gas and dust that a star collapsed and started to form followed by a third even smaller star.   As you can by the orbit diagram this second star had a slightly elliptical orbit, which caused it suck up much of the gas
  in the system lowering the mass distribution of the system.  By the time the third star had formed (Proxima Centauri) the combination of the two stars sucked out most of the mass from the system so that there was not enough mass of dust distributed for other planets.   In fact, scientist think that if Jupiter had turned into a star like Proxima Centauri did, there would have unfortunately been not enough mass of dust for Mars, Venus, or even Earth

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P.S.  Note for Mass Effect Developers:   Despite being refer to as ripples in spacetime to attract investors; a gravity wave is simply general relativistic moving mass wave.  When it hit something causes ripple in mass or a difference in mass. Just as light can change charge but propagate in space with the photon which is chargeless, gravity waves change mass but propagate in space with the graviton which is massless.  Moreover, just as light comes from an accelerating change in electric charge, gravity waves comes from an accelerating change in mass.  For example the shift in the singularity of two merging black holes can create gravity waves or shift in matter of a star as it goes supernova can cause gravity waves. My personal favorite example   Gravity waves are normally observed in atmosphere as audible as sound waves because when they interact with an object or light they actually cause that object to vibrate and emit a "low frequency" sound.   In fact, the earth-based laser interferometers dual as fancy earthquake detectors and are looking for the small little seismic sound vibrations caused by a passing gravity wave.  The main reason you don't hear them is because they occur all the time, like a growing up with background noise from a tv that is always on.  Due to the stochastic brownian motion effects of particles on inner ear sensitivity the focal cells of biological ears are calibrated to ignore the sound. 

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