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[BlueMagitek]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Hence that is their issue.

Did Earthborn Shepard even know his family?  Once again, that's a package deal, it isn't just a daddy Issue.

Think of it like a tree:

             Family Issue
             /                   \\
Parent Issue             Sibling Issue
/              \\                   /      |         \\
Mother Father      Sister  Twin    Brother

And you can keep going if you'd like.

But yes, I agree that would make an awesome mission, and we know that some Mindoir slaves are still alive (since ME 1). 

[CptData]

BlueMagitek wrote...

It's stating a fact. >.>

Didn't Colonist Shepard know his father until everyone was killed or enslaved? 'cause that's a "my family was murdered" issue, not a daddy issue.

Sure, but that issue doesn't really define Shepard's character.
Okay, Shepard's character is 90% player imagination tbh ... so my argument doesn't count. I'm sorry.

I should go now.

[AVPen]

Sorry to get off topic of a second, but.....

CptData wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

yeah EDI gets the body of Eva Core the body of TIM's ex girlfriend. Apparently she will be a romance for joker unless Shepard tells "Eva" to not pursue it or you 'crush' jokers fantasy or something then there is a part where Eva can kill the VS where Vega stand up to her and she replies something along the lines of " I would not hurt the crew, Kaidan/Ashley was not part of the crew"

But that's pretty much it in the spoiler section or what I got from it but i am hoping that they scraped this idea since the leaked stuff is pretty old.

Which is imo the worst thing BW could do to EDI!bot.

The VS -was- part of the crew and actually still is. A shore leave for medical care does not remove someone from the crew list, am I right?
It appears as if Shepard is not able to interrupt EDI in that scene, so better not bring her or say good bye to Kaidan or Ashley Fist-style.

Really.... you're equating the entire Horizon debacle with the VS as being the equivilent as someone going way on med. leave? You're saying that, after the VS told Shepard off and refused to join him on Horizon, that he/she is and should still be considered a part of "Shepard's crew"?

CptData wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

You should better leave Garrus at the ship to. Because he will act exactly the same way in this situation.

That's new to me. I heard Garrus and Tali will act the same way, but you -can- interrupt them.

Seriously - better go alone with no treacherous squadmates. Lets pick Joker and Chakwas instead, they're loyal AND they won't shot the VS. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Yes, because the VS has proven himself/herself to be an infallible paradigm of loyalty to Shepard and his/her crew so far... <_<


Back on topic: I'll have to see and hear more from the game before I make a final judgement, but so far, I'm kinda looking forward to a mobile EDI bot (should be an interesting contrast with the other mobile AIs shown so far, Legion and the Geth).

Modifié par AVPen, 13 décembre 2011 - 07:14 .

[Abispa]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Abispa - checked this thread totally not expecting Rosie - just woke up the house with laughter, thanks a lot!

You're welcome. The only thing sexier than a robot chick is a robot chick dressed up like a French maid.

Modifié par Abispa, 13 décembre 2011 - 09:17 .

[MACharlie1]

AVPen wrote...

Sorry to get off topic of a second, but.....

CptData wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

yeah EDI gets the body of Eva Core the body of TIM's ex girlfriend. Apparently she will be a romance for joker unless Shepard tells "Eva" to not pursue it or you 'crush' jokers fantasy or something then there is a part where Eva can kill the VS where Vega stand up to her and she replies something along the lines of " I would not hurt the crew, Kaidan/Ashley was not part of the crew"

But that's pretty much it in the spoiler section or what I got from it but i am hoping that they scraped this idea since the leaked stuff is pretty old.

Which is imo the worst thing BW could do to EDI!bot.

The VS -was- part of the crew and actually still is. A shore leave for medical care does not remove someone from the crew list, am I right?
It appears as if Shepard is not able to interrupt EDI in that scene, so better not bring her or say good bye to Kaidan or Ashley Fist-style.

Really.... you're equating the entire Horizon debacle with the VS as being the equivilent as someone going way on med. leave? You're saying that, after the VS told Shepard off and refused to join him on Horizon, that he/she is and should still be considered a part of "Shepard's crew"?

I think he's referring to the fact the VS goes on med leave after the Mars mission. 

[Burneye Is God]

hmmm... for people saying they dont like edi having a potential relationship with joker etc... how is it any different from what battlestar have done? besides it's the future! and what shep's can nail anything yet joker can have edi? pfffff..... lol

[Xerxes52]

Looks like I'm late to the party.

So EDI gets a body eh? That should be interesting.

[BobZilla84]

The funny thing about a Joker/EDI Romance thtat it will P*** off alot of fans who wanted a Shepard/Joker Romance in Mass Effect 3. I kinda could see a Shepard/Joker Romance but Joker/EDI I guess it could be decent if done right but I guess we will see.

Also about The VS getting Killed that could be very deep especially if Shepard was in a Relationship with the VS that could drive a wedge between Shepard and whoever kills the VS hell maybe even the entire Crew.

[CptData]

MACharlie1 wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Sorry to get off topic of a second, but.....

CptData wrote...

carilynn46 wrote...

yeah EDI gets the body of Eva Core the body of TIM's ex girlfriend. Apparently she will be a romance for joker unless Shepard tells "Eva" to not pursue it or you 'crush' jokers fantasy or something then there is a part where Eva can kill the VS where Vega stand up to her and she replies something along the lines of " I would not hurt the crew, Kaidan/Ashley was not part of the crew"

But that's pretty much it in the spoiler section or what I got from it but i am hoping that they scraped this idea since the leaked stuff is pretty old.

Which is imo the worst thing BW could do to EDI!bot.

The VS -was- part of the crew and actually still is. A shore leave for medical care does not remove someone from the crew list, am I right?
It appears as if Shepard is not able to interrupt EDI in that scene, so better not bring her or say good bye to Kaidan or Ashley Fist-style.

Really.... you're equating the entire Horizon debacle with the VS as being the equivilent as someone going way on med. leave? You're saying that, after the VS told Shepard off and refused to join him on Horizon, that he/she is and should still be considered a part of "Shepard's crew"?

I think he's referring to the fact the VS goes on med leave after the Mars mission. 

Indeed. I read the spoilers.

Got some updates regarding that event. However, I still have no idea if EDI shoots the VS before you can convince him or her, of if EDI does it like the rest of the crew - shooting the VS if you -can't- convince him or her just after the renegade interrupt.

Whatever.

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

The funny thing about a Joker/EDI
Romance thtat it will P*** off alot of fans who wanted a Shepard/Joker
Romance in Mass Effect 3. I kinda could see a Shepard/Joker Romance but
Joker/EDI I guess it could be decent if done right but I guess we will
see.

Also about The VS getting Killed that could be very deep
especially if Shepard was in a Relationship with the VS that could drive
a wedge between Shepard and whoever kills the VS hell maybe even the
entire Crew.

Indeed.
I want to save the VS - and if EDI gets in the way ...
Besides that, I think even a Shepard who had a romance with the VS will take it. There's still a job to do. However, I really hope to see a breakdown if the VS gets killed and Shepard had a romance with him or her.
A real breakdown. Like losing hope or something.

Modifié par CptData, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[BobZilla84]

I could see Shepard having a Breakdown and losing Hope if He himself has to kill The VS but I figure it could be even better if you romanced Ashley/Kaidan and remained loyal in ME2 and then you lose them again in ME3 all I say is my Shepard would give up the Fight if Garrus or EDI or anyone took Ashley away from him.

[CptData]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I could see Shepard having a Breakdown and losing Hope if He himself has to kill The VS but I figure it could be even better if you romanced Ashley/Kaidan and remained loyal in ME2 and then you lose them again in ME3 all I say is my Shepard would give up the Fight if Garrus or EDI or anyone took Ashley away from him.

Nope. Since we're already talking spoilery stuff here:

As far as I know the VS can get killed by either Shepard (renegade option or interrupt) or a squadmate if Shepard doesn't pick that renegade option/interrupt. If Shepard shots the VS, the VS gets KIA instantly, if a squadmate shots the VS, Shepard can have a last talk with the VS before s/he dies. Depending on Shepard's connection to the VS (romance yes/no, loyalty and some other variables) the dialogue will vary.

However, I believe it's possible to avoid that death by convincing the VS. Guess it's easier to convince the VS if romanced and if some other prerequesites are done. Won't go into details here.

What I'd like to know: is EDI able to kill the VS -before- Shepard has a chance to convince the VS? That's still unclear. If EDI shoots the VS before Shepard convinces him/her, it'll make EDI acting plain stupid and will make her to a hate magnet.

[BobZilla84]

You know maybe they could have a unique Paragon Interuption for Romanced Shepards that Shepard could jump in between the Shooter and The VS being shot in the Process saving the VS's life.

[CptData]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

You know maybe they could have a unique Paragon Interuption for Romanced Shepards that Shepard could jump in between the Shooter and The VS being shot in the Process saving the VS's life.

I doubt that's going to happen. Even if Shepard takes a bullet, it doesn't save the VS from getting shot again. The key in that scene is that you need to convince the VS Shepard's doing is right.

Actually, that entire scene is in the game to fulfill two (three) requests by the fandom:
- those who love the VS get an option to save him or her
- those who hate the Vs get an option to either kill him/her by Shepard's renegade option/interrupt or by a fellow squadmate

There's also a third option: those who don't like the VS but don't want to become a murderer or get him/her killed can get rid of the VS in a subsequent choice.

So BW tries to satisfy everyone. Hope it plays out.

[BobZilla84]

I find it ironic that The VS is a High Risk Character meaning that they most likely will be killed in ME3 and yet I doubt Liara has a moment where Shepard will have to kill her man that is really not cool Bioware not cool at all.

[CptData]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I find it ironic that The VS is a High Risk Character meaning that they most likely will be killed in ME3 and yet I doubt Liara has a moment where Shepard will have to kill her man that is really not cool Bioware not cool at all.

The fave BW character will get through the game unscathed I guess. The only way to kill Liara is to lose the war. Dunno if that's considered as a valid option. I don't hate Liara, just wondering why she has to go through everything without being in danger to get KIA.

However, that's why I support the VS far more than Liara: you need to work hard to keep Ash or Kaidan alive while there's no risk for Liara to get killed. It's far more enjoyable to know you changed something by having the VS alive at the end of the game.

Lets hope EDI does not spoil that option. I really want to keep her and VS getting along.

Modifié par CptData, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[BobZilla84]

You know the more I hear about Mass Effect 3 the more I am getting a little worried.

Bioware is trolling their fans I mean just think they know that after ME & ME 2 alot of fans where screaming for Shepard/Joker Romance and even some fan's wanted a Shepard/Legion Romance so what does Bioware do they decide to hook Joker and EDI together.

And Honestly EDI /Legion would make more sense hell even Shepard/EDI would make more sense if EDI wanted to get physical I mean she could kill poor Joker lol.

[CptData]

Dunno. I'll stop here with spoilers regarding EDI/VS.

EDI-Legion does not make much sense: Geth don't feel love. Why should Legion feel something for EDI? If EDI feels attached to Legion, then it's her fault and most likely an issue with her programming since she (her AI) was made by humans.
The Geth on the other hand are just programs, VIs. That means they're far less sophisticated than a full AI. They can, however, emulate a full AI by sharing their programs and input - and emotions are not part of it. Besides that, a Geth does never see itself as an individual. Love is something that prereqs individualism ...


Shepard-Joker romance is something I'd like to see in ME3, however, I'm not sure if BW adds that option. m!Shep and Joker are good friends, so are f!Shep and Joker. Why not allowing f!Shep and Joker to evolve their friendship to more?

Also I wonder if it's EDI who wants to get physical with Jeff - or the other way. I really wonder if it's possible to feel love for an AI in an android body.
Then again, think of Rommy in Andromeda ... I bet Harper (was his name, uhh?) felt more than "friendship" for her.

[BobZilla84]

CptData don't get me wrong either I don't hate Liara but in my opinion her romance has been pushed heavilly as the canon Romance and I don't like that because I love Ashley she is the Superior Male Romance in Mass Effect 1 In My Opinion at least.

I hope that Ashley stay's on board the Normandy because My Shepard and Ashley have to fix their Relationship.

[CptData]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

CptData don't get me wrong either I don't hate Liara but in my opinion her romance has been pushed heavilly as the canon Romance and I don't like that because I love Ashley she is the Superior Male Romance in Mass Effect 1 In My Opinion at least.

I hope that Ashley stay's on board the Normandy because My Shepard and Ashley have to fix their Relationship.

Hitting the same nail, huh?

I hear you. I can't concur Liara's relationship is "canon" - it's just "headcanon". Real canon is, that Shepard has no romance at all. If you create a new Shepard in ME2, s/he had no active romance. A new Shepard in ME3 won't have a romance too. So it's safe to asume canon!Shepard has no love interest.

I consider the romances of ME1 as "primary" romances - any of them - while the romances of ME2 are more or less secondary. Lets see how they play out in ME3, maybe some of them feel like "primary romances" too.

However, that has nothing to do with EDI ... and EDI is no valid romance option for Shepard, same for Joker. It's kinda bad you can't get into EDI's or Joker's pants, if you want ... ^^

[BobZilla84]

Oh no CptData I was just commenting on Bioware trolling their fan's I was just commenting that Joker/EDI in my opinion don't make sense and as for Legion I was just making notice of Legion because of the Fans that wanted a Shepard/Legion Romance Option thats all.

I support Fem Shepard/Joker Romance as well they could write the Romance beutifully friends that become much more.

I also could see Shepard/EDI working as well I mean Shepard isn't exactly human anymore perfect fit

[BobZilla84]

I have often wonder how Bioware will handle the Mass Effect 2 Romances say Miranda Lawson we know that she can return and the Romance can be Continued right but if they are not aboard the Normandy Shepard won't be able to devolope the Romance like Liara's and The VS they are propably gonna be on the Normandy full time.

[CptData]

EDI/Shepard works for me too and maybe even better than EDI/Joker. Don't ask me why - but for me, Joker is a guy that fits more to Tali. Actually, I strongly support Tali/Joker romance, far more than Tali/Garrus.

I'm not sure if EDI is able to feel real emotions. She can pretend doing so, but does an AI can feel attracted to a human like Joker or Shepard? After all, she has no need for procreation and, don't get me wrong, love is just a sophisticated variant of the urge to procreate.

And that's a statement from a romantic dude.

[BobZilla84]

I could see Joker/Tali as well as Garrus/Tali I am not a Fan of Team Dextro in fact I think that their Romances don't make alot of sense I mean I am going to risk your life and mine to hook up seriously I don't think so.

Modifié par BobZilla 2k10, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:47 .

[BobZilla84]

CptData that statement about love is true but you also have to consider Shepard might not even be able to Procreate he was dead after all now we know that Shepard can still be Intimate but he might not be able to have Children possable Side Effect of Lazuras Project.

Shepard/EDI would be alot more interesting considering Shepard not being Human anymore Shepards a Cyborg more or less now so why not hook up with an Android it would make a hell alot more sense than Joker I am just saying.

[CptData]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

CptData that statement about love is true but you also have to consider Shepard might not even be able to Procreate he was dead after all now we know that Shepard can still be Intimate but he might not be able to have Children possable Side Effect of Lazuras Project.

Shepard/EDI would be alot more interesting considering Shepard not being Human anymore Shepards a Cyborg more or less now so why not hook up with an Android it would make a hell alot more sense than Joker I am just saying.

I do concur.

And about that love-thing ... lets put it this way: I'm nearly 30 and it's still a surprising emotion. Right now I feel confused if I should go after that cute co-worker or not - given the fact I love my fiancee. Still pending results O.o
In BW it's much easier - you can pick the character you like more and don't really get distracted by other LI caused by feelings. In my case it's Ashley since she comes close to what I'd love in a woman (and said co-worker shares some of Ashley's traits).
Tali pretty much represents my current fiancee in some way. And Liara is ... Liara. She comes with traits I'm not exactly looking for.

Now back to EDI: if she can love someone, I wonder who gave her that emotion. After all, EDI is an AI of a warship, she's there to defend said ship and engage other ships. I'm not sure if "love" is part of her programming and you can't learn "love". Either it's in the AI from the beginning or not (e.g. either a person can love or not, if s/he can't, then it's possible s/he is a psychopath), but love (or any other emotion) can't be learned.