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[txgoldrush]

Bioware should bring something new to the romance....if a character is killed, the romance arc continues but becomes more of a rememberance arc.

Instead of the final romance scene in Shepard's quarters, it should be Shep sitting in his or her quarters looking back and remembering the love interest.

Thane, for example, should ALWAYS die in ME3, LI or not, either killed in action or dies from the illness.

Heres how a Thane romance arc in ME3 could work with a female Shep.

Thane dies in his mission, fufilling his goals and dying at peace.

Romance arc continues as Shepard seeks to honor his memory.

In the romance culmanation sequence, Shepard should have a vision of Thane (like Hawke does of Leandra in DAII Legacy DLC if she is killed before playing the DLC) that comforts her and gives her peace.

An alternate would be...Thane survives his mission long enough for him to die in the final romance culmanation scene, maybe even in the ending.

Not every romance arc should take the same route, they should all have different outcomes and fates.

[mango smoothie]

This should be in the Character and Romance thread.

[Chris Priestly]

mango smoothie wrote...

This should be in the Character and Romance thread.

This.

[Drone223]

Chris Priestly wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

This should be in the Character and Romance thread.

This.

But Chris this is already in the Character and Romance thread :P  your just being evil...wait you were always evil

Modifié par Drone223, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[shephawke]

for my male shep it is ash all the way for female i havent got one yet

[wildannie]

txgoldrush wrote...

Bioware should bring something new to the romance....if a character is killed, the romance arc continues but becomes more of a rememberance arc.

Instead of the final romance scene in Shepard's quarters, it should be Shep sitting in his or her quarters looking back and remembering the love interest.

Thane, for example, should ALWAYS die in ME3, LI or not, either killed in action or dies from the illness.

Heres how a Thane romance arc in ME3 could work with a female Shep.

Thane dies in his mission, fufilling his goals and dying at peace.

Romance arc continues as Shepard seeks to honor his memory.

In the romance culmanation sequence, Shepard should have a vision of Thane (like Hawke does of Leandra in DAII Legacy DLC if she is killed before playing the DLC) that comforts her and gives her peace.

An alternate would be...Thane survives his mission long enough for him to die in the final romance culmanation scene, maybe even in the ending.

Not every romance arc should take the same route, they should all have different outcomes and fates.

*sigh*

Romanced Thane is not at peace with his death.

Personally I wouldn't enjoy the scenario you propose or the alternative.  I believe that all players should be able to achieve their best ending which is not going to include the death of their LI for most (although I admit that there are a few).

If Thane dies no matter what then Bioware should probably not have made his ME2 romance arc end with his admitting to Shep that he's afraid to die, nor included medical information in LotSB that states that he can have his life prolonged through surgery alongside a letter stating again that he wants to live.  Also the 'medigel for the lungs' inhaler mentioned in CDN hinted at yet another possible treatement.

 I don't want the the fate of any one character to be set in stone and that goes doubly so for LIs... it makes replay more fun! 

[100k]

I'm actually torn over Thane's fate for ME3. On one hand, I think that it would be a bit of a cop out for BW "cure" Thane in ME3, and have Shepard live happily ever after. On the other hand...it's Thane f*cking Krios! He's probably the single most dangerous individual in the galaxy when not restricted by rules!

[Sealy]

It would only be a cop out if you take the option to cure him... others who want him not dead are happy to overlook any minor issues like a lack of angst.

[Enmystic]

*headdesk*

txgoldrush wrote...
Thane, for example, should ALWAYS die in ME3, LI or not, either killed in action or dies from the illness.

Why?  Why should Thane always die?  Why can't we have a choice? 

I agree that all romances should have different outcomes and fates, but that's not a good reason to kill a character at all. 

It always comes down to "magical cure" or death.  Why can't there be an inbetween or a choice?  If BioWare can make Thane getting better reasonable within the ME universe, then it won't be a copout because it makes sense.  If it's a choice then you can have him die or live if you think it suits him, or whatever will come with having a choice.  Like wildannie mentioned, it has potential to add replayability.

[Fiery Phoenix]

OP, your proposal runs counter to the premise of Thane's romance. See Wildannie and Enmystic's comments for details.

[S.A.K]

Anyone know how old Thane is?

[The Unfallen]

Like 39.

[Asenza]

wildannie wrote...

*sigh*

Romanced Thane is not at peace with his death.

Personally I wouldn't enjoy the scenario you propose or the alternative.  I believe that all players should be able to achieve their best ending which is not going to include the death of their LI for most (although I admit that there are a few).

If Thane dies no matter what then Bioware should probably not have made his ME2 romance arc end with his admitting to Shep that he's afraid to die, nor included medical information in LotSB that states that he can have his life prolonged through surgery alongside a letter stating again that he wants to live.  Also the 'medigel for the lungs' inhaler mentioned in CDN hinted at yet another possible treatement.

 I don't want the the fate of any one character to be set in stone and that goes doubly so for LIs... it makes replay more fun! 

*tries and fails to make some arrow to the knee joke*

I like this human! She understands!

I would also add that Thane has a lot to live for, what with having reunited with his son and starting a relationship with Shepard. His entire final romance scene (even if you tell Thane 'it's just nerves') is about him not wanting to die because he has loved ones to lose again. His Shadow Broker letter continues on that note, and with all that his change from his resigned-to-death resolve from his recruiment mission is pretty clear.

An unromanced Thane with a disconnected Koylat would be a far different thing.

Modifié par Asenza, 07 décembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[txgoldrush]

wildannie wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Bioware should bring something new to the romance....if a character is killed, the romance arc continues but becomes more of a rememberance arc.

Instead of the final romance scene in Shepard's quarters, it should be Shep sitting in his or her quarters looking back and remembering the love interest.

Thane, for example, should ALWAYS die in ME3, LI or not, either killed in action or dies from the illness.

Heres how a Thane romance arc in ME3 could work with a female Shep.

Thane dies in his mission, fufilling his goals and dying at peace.

Romance arc continues as Shepard seeks to honor his memory.

In the romance culmanation sequence, Shepard should have a vision of Thane (like Hawke does of Leandra in DAII Legacy DLC if she is killed before playing the DLC) that comforts her and gives her peace.

An alternate would be...Thane survives his mission long enough for him to die in the final romance culmanation scene, maybe even in the ending.

Not every romance arc should take the same route, they should all have different outcomes and fates.

*sigh*

Romanced Thane is not at peace with his death.

Personally I wouldn't enjoy the scenario you propose or the alternative.  I believe that all players should be able to achieve their best ending which is not going to include the death of their LI for most (although I admit that there are a few).

If Thane dies no matter what then Bioware should probably not have made his ME2 romance arc end with his admitting to Shep that he's afraid to die, nor included medical information in LotSB that states that he can have his life prolonged through surgery alongside a letter stating again that he wants to live.  Also the 'medigel for the lungs' inhaler mentioned in CDN hinted at yet another possible treatement.

 I don't want the the fate of any one character to be set in stone and that goes doubly so for LIs... it makes replay more fun! 

He may not be at peace with his death in ME2, but thats ME2, this is ME3. He is closer to death here and he still ha smore to do obviously. Protect the hanar, find a cure for his people, look out for his son, and fight the Reapers and Cerebrus. Things may also be different 2 months out than with 2 hours out.

Bioware needs to break cliche, they need to change things up.

And why shouldn't his fate not be set and stone? Sagacious Zu always dies, Duncan always dies, Leandra Hawke always dies, Ashley or Kaiden will always die. Not everything should be choosable by the player.

Hell, The Witcher 2 wouldn't happen in Foltest could be saved.

[txgoldrush]

Asenza wrote...

wildannie wrote...

*sigh*

Romanced Thane is not at peace with his death.

Personally I wouldn't enjoy the scenario you propose or the alternative.  I believe that all players should be able to achieve their best ending which is not going to include the death of their LI for most (although I admit that there are a few).

If Thane dies no matter what then Bioware should probably not have made his ME2 romance arc end with his admitting to Shep that he's afraid to die, nor included medical information in LotSB that states that he can have his life prolonged through surgery alongside a letter stating again that he wants to live.  Also the 'medigel for the lungs' inhaler mentioned in CDN hinted at yet another possible treatement.

 I don't want the the fate of any one character to be set in stone and that goes doubly so for LIs... it makes replay more fun! 

*tries and fails to make some arrow to the knee joke*

I like this human! She understands!

I would also add that Thane has a lot to live for, what with having reunited with his son and starting a relationship with Shepard. His entire final romance scene (even if you tell Thane 'it's just nerves') is about him not wanting to die because he has loved ones to lose again. His Shadow Broker letter continues on that note, and with all that his change from his resigned-to-death resolve from his recruiment mission is pretty clear.

An unromanced Thane with a disconnected Koylat would be a far different thing.

No, the note suggests that Thane will be at more peace with death living his final days protecting and caring for Shep, trying to live and not dwelling on the end, instead of just resigning himself to death. Its far more complex than you believe.

He still accepts that he is going to die soon, he just won't dwell and resign himself to it.

[MICHELLE7]

wildannie wrote...
Personally I wouldn't enjoy the scenario you propose or the alternative.  I believe that all players should be able to achieve their best ending which is not going to include the death of their LI for most (although I admit that there are a few).

Totally agree with this.

[FaWa]

txgoldrush wrote...
 Sagacious Zu always dies, Duncan always dies, Leandra Hawke always dies, Ashley or Kaiden will always die. Not everything should be choosable by the player.

I think SOMEONE should die, but not a set person. That leaves a bitter taste to know theres no point in romancing a character

[Asenza]

@txgoldrush ,

Well it's obvious he has to accept it. He believes he won't live long enough to benefit from the cure the Hanar are working on. Accepting a hard fact doesn't mean he doesn't want to live and stay with Shepard and his son. No one wants to die. He wants to live.

Modifié par Asenza, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[android654]

I found Thane's reasons for accepting Shep's advances a bit disingenuous, especially when he gives you his dead wife's nickname.

At any rare, doesn't this only apply to Thane? I mean if you picked an LI, chances are you liked them enough to keep them around, so how could this apply to anyone else?

[Asenza]

android654 wrote...

I found Thane's reasons for accepting Shep's advances a bit disingenuous, especially when he gives you his dead wife's nickname.

At any rare, doesn't this only apply to Thane? I mean if you picked an LI, chances are you liked them enough to keep them around, so how could this apply to anyone else?

I don't take your meaning. What disingenuous reasons?

And he didn't give Shepard his dead wife's nickname. Siha means warrior-angel. During one conversation in which Shepard asks about how Thane met Irikah, Thane comments that the way Irikah stepped in the line of fire, ready to take a bullet for someone she didn't know, he thought that she was the goddess Arashu, the old Drell god of motherhood and protection.

Thane mentions that Siha is one of Arashu's warrior angels, but Thane never referred to Irikah as Siha. It is Thane's nickname for Shepard and no one else.

All this was made very clear during Thane's romantic dialogue. Of course, if one hadn't romanced Thane or even watched the romance on Youtube, and if they were content to not get their facts straight, then I could see how such a mistake could be made...

Modifié par Asenza, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[android654]

I romanced him on one playthrough, and probably got the dialogue jumbled a bit. What I do remember though was that he seemed to be visualizing his wife through Shepard when they would communicate. I could be mistaken, but that's how I remembered it. I disliked that aspect so much I had to drop him for Liara, which I wasn't thrilled to do since I genuinely enjoyed the character when you simply get to know him along a platonic path.

[Asenza]

android654 wrote...

I romanced him on one playthrough, and probably got the dialogue jumbled a bit. What I do remember though was that he seemed to be visualizing his wife through Shepard when they would communicate. I could be mistaken, but that's how I remembered it. I disliked that aspect so much I had to drop him for Liara, which I wasn't thrilled to do since I genuinely enjoyed the character when you simply get to know him along a platonic path.

That would have been after his loyalty mission. Thane mentions that drell can sometimes slip into memories, sometimes unintentionally.  Shepard asked about how she died- they'd had conversations previously about his work, and Irikah factored into it. So that is what dragged up the memory.

If you're still worried about whether he's still carrying a torch for his wife, tens years after she died, try looking up a Youtube vid of Shepard rejecting Thane with the line, "No, I can't replace your wife" and see what Thane says to that.

[Asenza]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

dis thread has no point tbh.

anyone who thinks that thane should die because his "story is about him dying" should get an arrow to the knee by the whiterun guards tbh

THIS!

[mango smoothie]

Whether he dies or not should be a choice, and not a choice like he was your LI or not. A choice where like you save a cure that was found or new weapon technology (just quick example not saying they should do that).