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[Lotion Soronarr]

1136342t54 wrote...
Cerberus has spent trillions of credits on all of their operations since they have existed. They had so many people in the Alliance that the Alliance had to really crack down and needed Turian help. They also get funding from many many private funders (which seem to be billionaires) then have had some connections with former Alliance black ops programs. Plus they seem to have dozens or hundreds of shell companies.

Cerberus has the money, resources and even the knowledge for it (plus the ships could be older models which would be cheaper?) they just needed the will to use it. Hell I even doubt all the money truly came from the sources I named since Cerberus does have enough money that could effectively make them a small (very very small) interstellar nation.

They may have hte money, but thtis not enough.

Big military hardware is monitored. Also, the mroe advanced hte army, the more expensive it is to mantain...and it's also logisticly more complex.

In ye old days raising an army as sinple enough.
Today, to get a soldier on the ground you need two dozen people to support him.

There's reason the US spends so many billions for their operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Waging of war is becoming progressively more expsnsive. The infrastructure and organization behind it are enormeous.

There's an old saying - experts talk logistics, amateurs talk tactics.

This is an interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia....le_of_the_Bulge

Note tha this is cited as Pattons greatest military achievement. Moving troops. It's harder than you think.

[B.Shep]

Resources aren't a problem to the Illusive Man. Be it money, hardware or human resources.

And besides, the Council has little control over things happening in the Terminus Systems. I don't think it would be to hard to believe Cerberus was creating a army and warships there without no one noticing it.

Modifié par B.Shep, 12 décembre 2011 - 11:43 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

B.Shep wrote...

Resources aren't a problem to the Illusive Man. Be it money, hardware or human resources.

If human resources weren't an issue he'd have more than 150 agents.

And besides, the Council has little control over things happening in the Terminus Systems. I don't think it would be to hard to believe Cerberus was creating a army and warships there without no one noticing it.

The terminus systems powers would notice.

No sane government wants to give anyone else any kind of power.

[B.Shep]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If human resources weren't an issue he'd have more than 150 agents.

EDI also said she didn't know the full extension of Cerberus.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The terminus systems powers would notice.

No sane government wants to give anyone else any kind of power.

There is no central power inside the Terminus Systems, just isolated tyrants and warlords like Aria and she didn't care about what Cerberus was doing in her territory as long TIM paid her.
We can pretty much suppose the others weren't also paying much attention as long Cerberus didn't mess with them.

Modifié par B.Shep, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:14 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

B.Shep wrote..

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The terminus systems powers would notice.

No sane government wants to give anyone else any kind of power.

There is no central power inside the Terminus Systems, just isolated tyrants and warlords like Aria and she didn't care about what Cerberus was doing in her territory as long TIM paid her.
We can pretty much suppose the others weren't also paying much attention as long Cerberus didn't mess with them.

Erm..wrong.
There is a difference betweeen taking someones money and allowing them to use you station as a port/staging ground and selling someone warships.

In fact, those tyrants and warlords would be even LESS willing to allow Cerberus having warships, as their stay in power is far more tied to their force of arms. They don't like competition.

[hero3440]

Well for the soldiers we don't see the faces of most of them so they could be possible they clone soldiers since TIM has had dealing with those who have cloning technology like Miranda's father. TIM also has reapers and/or collector techonolgy whether or not from collector base remain intact or salvaged from destroyed parts, which TIM could have sold some to wealthy contributors.

[Arkitekt]

B.Shep wrote...

Resources aren't a problem to the Illusive Man. Be it money, hardware or human resources.

Yeah, and the laws of physics be damned as well! It's all magical and possible! Let's all sing kumbayah while fleets the size of ten Geth and Turian armies combined with Cerberus logos trash the Reapers to smithereens with their infinite bullets of Thanix technology! Hey, it's not like resources are a "problem"!

And besides, the Council has little control over things happening in the Terminus Systems. I don't think it would be to hard to believe Cerberus was creating a army and warships there without no one noticing it.

It is hard to believe, but it can happen. If there is a good explanation, I'm sold. If it's handwaved like you are doing, I'll sigh.

[ODST 5723]

I'm expecting that Cerberus had bases in the Terminus as well as at least one facility on Noveria run by one of its fronts where it was developing some of its tech.

[1136342t54_]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
Cerberus has spent trillions of credits on all of their operations since they have existed. They had so many people in the Alliance that the Alliance had to really crack down and needed Turian help. They also get funding from many many private funders (which seem to be billionaires) then have had some connections with former Alliance black ops programs. Plus they seem to have dozens or hundreds of shell companies.

Cerberus has the money, resources and even the knowledge for it (plus the ships could be older models which would be cheaper?) they just needed the will to use it. Hell I even doubt all the money truly came from the sources I named since Cerberus does have enough money that could effectively make them a small (very very small) interstellar nation.

They may have hte money, but thtis not enough.

Big military hardware is monitored. Also, the mroe advanced hte army, the more expensive it is to mantain...and it's also logisticly more complex.

In ye old days raising an army as sinple enough.
Today, to get a soldier on the ground you need two dozen people to support him.

There's reason the US spends so many billions for their operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Waging of war is becoming progressively more expsnsive. The infrastructure and organization behind it are enormeous.

There's an old saying - experts talk logistics, amateurs talk tactics.

This is an interesting read:
http://en.wikipedia....le_of_the_Bulge

Note tha this is cited as Pattons greatest military achievement. Moving troops. It's harder than you think.

I'm not saying that money is all that is needed but remember Cerberus isn't just civillian they get a lot of their personnel from the Alliance and even originally had connections with an Alliance black ops group (which would explain all their commandos) they recruit directly from the Alliance a lot of the time and hell Shepard's death seemed to have sped it up.

Also many of those companies can easily be R&D and could actually have a few companies in the Terminus work on the tools and equipment needed to develop what they need either knowingly or unknowingly.

Cerberus doesn't have military or even fleet on the level of any interstellar power to be frank it is unlikely unless they have some secret but rather large Cerberus colony that has millions of people. Their military although should be much bigger than a typical PMC. Remember in Cerberus daily news a large Corporation was able to invade a Krogan planet and beat its forces conventionally.

[DRACO1130]

Misisng the obvious here

Omega is the KEY to overseeing/controlling the Omega 4 relay

nuff said.

[Lotion Soronarr]

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm not saying that money is all that is needed but remember Cerberus isn't just civillian they get a lot of their personnel from the Alliance and even originally had connections with an Alliance black ops group (which would explain all their commandos) they recruit directly from the Alliance a lot of the time and hell Shepard's death seemed to have sped it up.

You know who else has ties with the military? Blackwater. They get contracts worth billions. They are frienldy with hte US government and military.
Adn they STILL got not warhips.

Any government/military with a speck of sense has a VERY thight control of the real heavy hardware.

Guns, they will sell. Warships? Never.
Even Russia during it's cash shortage only sold the basic hull of a few old ships, who were stripped of almost everything and are destined for civilian purposes.

[1136342t54_]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm not saying that money is all that is needed but remember Cerberus isn't just civillian they get a lot of their personnel from the Alliance and even originally had connections with an Alliance black ops group (which would explain all their commandos) they recruit directly from the Alliance a lot of the time and hell Shepard's death seemed to have sped it up.

You know who else has ties with the military? Blackwater. They get contracts worth billions. They are frienldy with hte US government and military.
Adn they STILL got not warhips.

Any government/military with a speck of sense has a VERY thight control of the real heavy hardware.

Guns, they will sell. Warships? Never.
Even Russia during it's cash shortage only sold the basic hull of a few old ships, who were stripped of almost everything and are destined for civilian purposes.

When did Blackwater have hundreds (or more) spies in Alliance government, military and other areas to the point where an Admiral was afraid to speak about them due to possibly being killed? Yeah not even a close comparison at all. Blackwater also doesn't even have the money to even be able to do a 1/3 of what Cerberus can do.

Again Blackwater doesn't have its own R&D areas capable of creating new weaponry, armor and even vehicles. Don't compare since they are almost nothing alike.

The Alliance may have a tight control over their military but Cerberus is good enough to the point where they even tooken blue prints of a experimental Alliance warship and improved upon it. Proof that they can take Alliance technology and recreate it for their own purposes.

[Dean_the_Young]

Since the Alliance and Blackwater exist in entirely different universes, that's an impossible comparison. Blackwater (no matter it's modern name) does have hundreds of contacts in the US military, as well as contacts with a number of foreign governments as well. It also does have it's own training and procurement areas.

But the point you're really missing is the difference between small-arms procurements (which is what the Black Market is good at enabling) and large military platforms. Even the Normandy SR-2 was build by smuggling individual pieces... not by any mass production system, and not something that can be simply scaled upwards to larger and more vessels as well. And the Normandy SR-2 alone helped bankrupt Cerberus for a period.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Since the Alliance and Blackwater exist in entirely different universes, that's an impossible comparison. Blackwater (no matter it's modern name) does have hundreds of contacts in the US military, as well as contacts with a number of foreign governments as well. It also does have it's own training and procurement areas.

But the point you're really missing is the difference between small-arms procurements (which is what the Black Market is good at enabling) and large military platforms. Even the Normandy SR-2 was build by smuggling individual pieces... not by any mass production system, and not something that can be simply scaled upwards to larger and more vessels as well. And the Normandy SR-2 alone helped bankrupt Cerberus for a period.

I'm not saying that its the same and even in previous posts I even stated that I doubt even through all of Cerberus funds and contacts they have the ability to truly make a fleet I was stating multiple reasons why they would likely have a large military force at least dedicated to ground combat or simply shock troopers (that is what they already have).

Hell even cerberus new army in ME3 is impossible without some form of cloning or indoctrination. It just wouldn't work out.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Cerberus army actually comes from a pretty good basis, though spoilers are involved.

Frankly, it would have worked excellently as a consequence if the Batarians, not Cerberus, had been the enemies in ME3.

[Kusy]

Looks good. We'll see.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Cerberus army actually comes from a pretty good basis, though spoilers are involved.

How spoilerific is it? Does it inadvertently spoil a good part of the game?

Frankly, it would have worked excellently as a consequence if the Batarians, not Cerberus, had been the enemies in ME3.

I did assume the Batarians had made up a good part of the game when it came to do with enemies since Shepard did kill 300k of them.

[Dean_the_Young]

1136342t54 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Cerberus army actually comes from a pretty good basis, though spoilers are involved.

How spoilerific is it?

Spoilery.

Does it inadvertently spoil a good part of the game?

Advertently spoil a good part of the game.

[TMA LIVE]

1136342t54 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Cerberus army actually comes from a pretty good basis, though spoilers are involved.

How spoilerific is it? Does it inadvertently spoil a good part of the game?

I'm trying to keep myself unspoiled, but I'm sure you'll get the answer by the end of this comic.

I'm just guessing, but I think it involves Collector Tech, and people on Omega.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Cerberus army actually comes from a pretty good basis, though spoilers are involved.

How spoilerific is it?

Spoilery.

Does it inadvertently spoil a good part of the game?

Advertently spoil a good part of the game.

Well I'll hope the comic explains it. If not I can wait.

[Quole]

Looks just as bad as the other abysmal comics.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

 Looks like the start of a bad Fornax. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

1136342t54 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm not saying that money is all that is needed but remember Cerberus isn't just civillian they get a lot of their personnel from the Alliance and even originally had connections with an Alliance black ops group (which would explain all their commandos) they recruit directly from the Alliance a lot of the time and hell Shepard's death seemed to have sped it up.

You know who else has ties with the military? Blackwater. They get contracts worth billions. They are frienldy with hte US government and military.
Adn they STILL got not warhips.

Any government/military with a speck of sense has a VERY thight control of the real heavy hardware.

Guns, they will sell. Warships? Never.
Even Russia during it's cash shortage only sold the basic hull of a few old ships, who were stripped of almost everything and are destined for civilian purposes.

When did Blackwater have hundreds (or more) spies in Alliance government, military and other areas to the point where an Admiral was afraid to speak about them due to possibly being killed? Yeah not even a close comparison at all. Blackwater also doesn't even have the money to even be able to do a 1/3 of what Cerberus can do.

Blackwater is in the bed with the government , they don't NEED spies.

Also, Blackwater gets contracts in the billions. They have money.
But take a look at the richest people and companies on the planet - does anyone of htem have a single warship? No.

The Alliance may have a tight control over their military but Cerberus is good enough to the point where they even tooken blue prints of a experimental Alliance warship and improved upon it. Proof that they can take Alliance technology and recreate it for their own purposes.

1 frigate. For a great cost, in secrecy, and great difficulty.

Yes, I can see how they can match the governmetn with dozens of shipyards that pump out ships...


Ever heard of a "no limits fallacy"?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Couldn't the Alliance be intervening using the corsairs to stop Cerberus?

[1136342t54_]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Blackwater is in the bed with the government , they don't NEED spies.

Also, Blackwater gets contracts in the billions. They have money.
But take a look at the richest people and companies on the planet - does anyone of htem have a single warship? No.

Do they have the money and manpower for it? Obviously Cerberus does which is the main thing. Not saying that they should have the capability to have a fleet but they seem to and from what I hear its explained pretty well. Like I said multiple times before they seem to have a more better research department and industry than Blackwater periiod. Plus the money for it seems immense.

1 frigate. For a great cost, in secrecy, and great difficulty.

Yes, I can see how they can match the governmetn with dozens of shipyards that pump out ships...


Ever heard of a "no limits fallacy"?

That one Frigate is also has the most advanced technology most vessels in Citadel space does and has the capability of going up against Collector vessels that usually slaughter cruisers by taking little to no damage. While one Frigate it is disingenuos to just say its a simple frigate.

Plus when did I say it gives them the abililty to pump out dozens of ships? I repeatedly said that I doubt that they could do it even with everything I said so how am I saying they have a no limits fallacy?