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[Burneye Is God]

so guys regarding ash and kaidan is anyone surprised garrus hasen't become a spectre? i remember leading up to mass effect 2 we all thought garrus would join the spectre's due to his friendship with shep's etc. so i'm wondering why people think ash for example was chosen to join the spectre's? thoughts lol

[Knight of Dane]

No, Garrus has been with Shepard since after he gave up the specrte training and went to Omega, how would he have become one?

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 08 décembre 2011 - 05:24 .

[naledgeborn]

I admit, that's where it felt like things were going. But Bio Ware had to make up for treating the VS and their fanbases like **** so they threw them a bone and made Ash/Kai into SpecTRes instead.

[Labrev]

 If renegade path is taken on his personal-mission in ME1, he applies for Spectre training but doesn't get it bc the Citadel is in disarray as it is.

I don't think he's cut out for it anyway. Sure, he's a good soldier/tactician and everything, but he himself admits he struggles with judgement when things aren't black-and-white. A Spectre has to deal with a lot of grey. I would take Kaidan and Ashley over him rather easily, truth be told.

[Someone With Mass]

Bah. Garrus is better than a Spectre.

You don't see him get casually killed like every other Spectre there is.

[feliciano2040]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Bah. Garrus is better than a Spectre.

You don't see him get casually killed like every other Spectre there is.

A common ocurrence.

But we've barely seen three spectres in the game !

[ADLegend21]

Garrus isn't a Spectre because he quits. besides Omega (only there for a few months) and Shepard (served twice for months) Garrus has quit the Spectre and C-Sec if you renegaded him and quit C-Sec twice if you paragoned him. He has issues with Authority that doesn't let him have his way, which SHOULD have motivated him to be a spectre since you get to do the job your way. ashley and Kaidan are Spectre's because they stick with the Alliance and with Shepard dead they are the face of the Alliance.They're both exceptionally talented and are on the same level as Shepard ( the only sqadmate to be there along with Miranda imo). Garrus is a quitter the VS isn't.

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Bah. Garrus is better than a Spectre.

You don't see him get casually killed like every other Spectre there is.

One SPECTRE was betrayed, shepard killed the one who betrayed him and the other one crossed Shepard. You tend to die when you try to kill the protagonist.

[Someone With Mass]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Bah. Garrus is better than a Spectre.

You don't see him get casually killed like every other Spectre there is.

A common ocurrence.

But we've barely seen three spectres in the game !

Four, if you count Shepard. And he died once too.

It sounds more like the Spectre title brings bad luck than anything else.

[Random citizen]

Garrus wants to do things his own way. Thats why he never had a real shot of becoming a spectre.
In order to become a spectre you must prove yourself and to prove yourself you must usually follow orders and don't question them. Garrus is highly skilled, but he is not really an "exemplary Turian soldier". He is a Turian vigilante.

[Goody Two Shoes]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus isn't a Spectre because he quits. besides Omega (only there for a few months) and Shepard (served twice for months) Garrus has quit the Spectre and C-Sec if you renegaded him and quit C-Sec twice if you paragoned him. He has issues with Authority that doesn't let him have his way, which SHOULD have motivated him to be a spectre since you get to do the job your way. ashley and Kaidan are Spectre's because they stick with the Alliance and with Shepard dead they are the face of the Alliance.They're both exceptionally talented and are on the same level as Shepard ( the only sqadmate to be there along with Miranda imo). Garrus is a quitter the VS isn't.

That's funny.

Garrus doesn't need Spectre status, he does what he pleases. Besides, with the galaxy in chaos, being a spectre most likely won't count for much anyway.

[Labrev]

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus isn't a Spectre because he quits. besides Omega (only there for a few months) and Shepard (served twice for months) Garrus has quit the Spectre and C-Sec if you renegaded him and quit C-Sec twice if you paragoned him. He has issues with Authority that doesn't let him have his way, which SHOULD have motivated him to be a spectre since you get to do the job your way. ashley and Kaidan are Spectre's because they stick with the Alliance and with Shepard dead they are the face of the Alliance.They're both exceptionally talented and are on the same level as Shepard ( the only sqadmate to be there along with Miranda imo). Garrus is a quitter the VS isn't.

That's funny.

No it's not. Ashley is on par with sole-survivor Shepard for being the only survivor from her unit in the Eden Prime geth attack. Kaidan has an impressive service record, having never lost a soldier under his command as an officer. Compare that to Shepard who sends Jenkins blind into a geth recon-drone ambush.

[Goody Two Shoes]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Garrus isn't a Spectre because he quits. besides Omega (only there for a few months) and Shepard (served twice for months) Garrus has quit the Spectre and C-Sec if you renegaded him and quit C-Sec twice if you paragoned him. He has issues with Authority that doesn't let him have his way, which SHOULD have motivated him to be a spectre since you get to do the job your way. ashley and Kaidan are Spectre's because they stick with the Alliance and with Shepard dead they are the face of the Alliance.They're both exceptionally talented and are on the same level as Shepard ( the only sqadmate to be there along with Miranda imo). Garrus is a quitter the VS isn't.

That's funny.

No it's not. Ashley is on par with sole-survivor Shepard for being the only survivor from her unit in the Eden Prime geth attack. Kaidan has an impressive service record, having never lost a soldier under his command as an officer. Compare that to Shepard who sends Jenkins blind into a geth recon-drone ambush.

Now compare their service record to a person who has saved the entire galaxy three times over. You can't. And Ashley only survived Eden prime because of Shepard's timely arrival. If the geth didn't kill her, Saren's charges would have.

And Shep didn't send Jenkins blind into an amubsh. Even Kaidan comments that Shepard "did everything right".

[Someone With Mass]

The Cipher alone pretty much puts Shepard above every other Spectre.

Not to mention that he delayed the Reaper invasion. Twice. I'd like to see another Spectre top that.

But I digress.

Garrus has shown to get little restrictions even without a Spectre title. He can even gun down another man in the middle of a Citadel ward and get away with it.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 08 décembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[mineralica]

This topic again? I should have my response printed in blog somewhere.

The main reason why Garrus isn't SpeCTRe while VS is looks very likely to be politics. Humanity is Council race with zero SpeCTRes (or one who just blown up star system) and Turian Hierarchy have plenty of SpeCTRes one of which recently gone rogue and nearly destroyed the Citadel. Do you think they will risk with vigilante who is currently working for (with) terrorist organisation?

[Dariustwinblade]

Kaiashly Willanko is nowhere near Shepards level.

Ashley is the weakest squad member after Tali. Having no hype or great feats of combat prowless.

Her and Kaidans ability and weakness and incompetance were both shown on Vermire, Horizon and in Ash's case Eden Prime.

They become specters pure due to a political manuvering. And not due to skill.

They themselves were surprised by the promotion.

[feliciano2040]

mineralica wrote...

This topic again? I should have my response printed in blog somewhere.

The main reason why Garrus isn't SpeCTRe while VS is looks very likely to be politics. Humanity is Council race with zero SpeCTRes (or one who just blown up star system) and Turian Hierarchy have plenty of SpeCTRes one of which recently gone rogue and nearly destroyed the Citadel. Do you think they will risk with vigilante who is currently working for (with) terrorist organisation?

This theory. I like it a lot.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I thought he would be a Spectre too. But if you pick renegade options with him in ME1, then he will say how he tried to become a Spectre in ME2. But he disliked how he could only do what the council told him to do, and they were too blind to see what the real threat was, and that he still couldn't do things his way.

I still think that the role best suited for him is to be the leader of a group of mercenaries/adventurers/vigilantes or, as Minsc would put it: Butt-kicking the evil. Even the old Shadow Broker thought that he would make an excellent leader.

[naledgeborn]

mineralica wrote...

This topic again? I should have my response printed in blog somewhere.

The main reason why Garrus isn't SpeCTRe while VS is looks very likely to be politics. Humanity is Council race with zero SpeCTRes (or one who just blown up star system) and Turian Hierarchy have plenty of SpeCTRes one of which recently gone rogue and nearly destroyed the Citadel. Do you think they will risk with vigilante who is currently working for (with) terrorist organisation?

I like you more and more every time I read your posts.

[Chewin]

Dariustwinblade wrote...
Her and Kaidans ability and weakness and incompetance were both shown on Vermire, Horizon and in Ash's case Eden Prime.

Please do explain why you think so.

[Chewin]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Garrus will never be able to develop into that leader type position.. He's always "Under" Shephard.

If he continues to be in Shepard's command, yeah.

Modifié par Chewin3, 08 décembre 2011 - 06:51 .

[CptData]

Burneye Is God wrote...

so guys regarding ash and kaidan is anyone surprised garrus hasen't become a spectre? i remember leading up to mass effect 2 we all thought garrus would join the spectre's due to his friendship with shep's etc. so i'm wondering why people think ash for example was chosen to join the spectre's? thoughts lol

I think Garrus -was- on the candidates list until he started to do things on his own (quitting C-Sec to become Archangel, building up a squad, hunting down criminals). Although he had only good intentions, Garrus also lacked discipline (which has a very high value in turian society). That alone could have been enough to remove him from the list of "candidates".

Seriously, I wonder why even a paragonized Garrus became Archangel. That doesn't make much sense to me.

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Garrus will never be able to develop into that leader type position because he's always following Shephard.

As long as he sticks with Shepard, then you're true. But Garrus tried to be a good leader once and failed, mostly because he wasn't prepared for betrayal. I don't know how Shepard will react in that matter, but s/he certainly would not lose his/her entire squad because of that.

Modifié par CptData, 08 décembre 2011 - 06:55 .

[Labrev]

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Now compare their service record to a person who has saved the entire galaxy three times over. You can't. And Ashley only survived Eden prime because of Shepard's timely arrival. If the geth didn't kill her, Saren's charges would have.

Except that saving the galaxy three times over happens long after him becoming a Spectre. Ashley may or may not have survived the attack w/o Shepard, but sometimes it's better to be lucky than be good. Same can be said of Shepard, much of his own success is attributed to being at the right place at the right time and sometimes just sheer luck.

Kaidan was paying lip-service to his superior-officer. Shepard should not believe for a moment that he did everything right if he got his soldier killed in a scenario that could have been avoided.

[AdmiralCheez]

Spectre status? Pssh. He gets something better in ME3, IMO.

NOT SAYING WHAT IT IS THOUGH HEH HEH HEH.

CptData wrote...

Seriously, I wonder why even a paragonized Garrus became Archangel. That doesn't make much sense to me.

Well, when your mentor dies, things don't change, and everyone ignores the galactic apocalypse that's on the horizon, I can't say I blame the guy for going, "F*ck this sh*t, time to get myself killed in the most badass way possible.*