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[jeweledleah]

why I think Garrus will never be a spectre? he has no tolerance for BS. While spectres have more autonomy then other branches of the military or C-sec - they still need to report to the council, they still have limits as to how they should do their jobs and where, and they need to be able to deal with politicians on at least some level.

he can lead. but on his terms. He follows Shepard. becasue he trusts and respects Shepard, the individual, not the organizations that Shepard may or may not represent.

Garrus's loyalty is reserved to causes and people, not organizations and spectres, for all their autonomy, are STILL an organization. if Garrus were in Shepard's place when talking to Council in ME2? I will bet you a dollar, that he would tell them where they can shove their "spectre in a name only" offer.

[AgitatedLemon]

I think it's because he's a tad to hotheaded.

He's also quite ruthless during and after ME2 (Like his loyalty mission)

[HK-90210]

Well, he'll be way too busy attending to some of my FemSheps to have time to be a Spectre. And my ManSheps are already Spectres, and every Spectre needs an awsome sidekick.

Kidding aside, I think he just doesn't have the patience or temprament to go through it it. Doesn't mean he wouldn't do admirably, just that he wouldn't take the time to jump through hoops to get the position. Too much bull to deal with when he could just go vigilante in the Terminus again. With Sheps help, of course.

[GodWood]

He was in the military you know.

[jeweledleah]

GodWood wrote...

He was in the military you know.

which he left, because by his own admission, he is a bad Turian and has trouble following orders if he thinks they are bad orders.

[Chewin]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...
(...)Garrus's team getting slaughtered

You do know that Garrus's team getting slaughtered in Omega was not b/c of a tactical error on his part but because one of his squad member turned on him. Hardly his fault. If you don't start saying that Garrus should have seen that coming...

Garrus hasnt been put in enough leader positions.

~ Head of C-Sec investigating Saren ( Not really combat experience )

He has had plenty of combat experience for 15 years of his life. Every turian joins the military to gain that. And you seem also have forgotten that he was trained to be a Spectre (of 100 other candidates) but his father pulled him off the training, saying it was "not woth it".

~ His squad on Omega

Did he said that was his first time leading a sqaud?

~ Possibly fire squad leader on the SM mission in Mass Effect 2

Getting the whole team through the rally point (both if you chose him to do it) shows quite a remarkable skill in leading a team, and if we would be looking from your point of view, pretty good for 2nd time leading a team, don't you agree?

... Thats it.

Have you read the Shadow Broker dossier of Garrus? Here it is:

. Exceptional tactical and team-building skills. Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.

He has the potential, as you said, but there is no doubt he'd would make a good Spectre.

[feliciano2040]

jeweledleah wrote...

Garrus's loyalty is reserved to causes and people, not organizations and spectres, for all their autonomy, are STILL an organization. if Garrus were in Shepard's place when talking to Council in ME2? I will bet you a dollar, that he would tell them where they can shove their "spectre in a name only" offer.

Only a dollar ? That doesn't seem very convincing  !

Even though it's the truth, Garrus himself says it: "I'm a bad turian".

[naledgeborn]

The problem with Garrus is that he lacks the detachment usually sought out in a SpecTRe candidate. Being a SpecTRe means making tough calls. Under fire he passes the test however in the more diplomatic/political side of the job he'd fail.

Wrex would be a better SpecTRe than Garrus. He united an entire race (a very aggressive one mind you) for just being on Virmire when Shepard blew up Saren's base.

[GodWood]

jeweledleah wrote...

GodWood wrote...
He was in the military you know.

which he left, because by his own admission, he is a bad Turian and has trouble following orders if he thinks they are bad orders.

So? He had military training since age 15. If the turian military is anything like my country's military he would have had to of learned 'leadership skills'.

[CptData]

I need to quote myself:

CptData wrote...

Burneye Is God wrote...

so guys regarding ash and kaidan is anyone surprised garrus hasen't become a spectre? i remember leading up to mass effect 2 we all thought garrus would join the spectre's due to his friendship with shep's etc. so i'm wondering why people think ash for example was chosen to join the spectre's? thoughts lol

I think Garrus -was- on the candidates list until he started to do things on his own (quitting C-Sec to become Archangel, building up a squad, hunting down criminals). Although he had only good intentions, Garrus also lacked discipline (which has a very high value in turian society). That alone could have been enough to remove him from the list of "candidates".

Seriously, I wonder why even a paragonized Garrus became Archangel. That doesn't make much sense to me.

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Garrus will never be able to develop into that leader type position because he's always following Shephard.

As long as he sticks with Shepard, then you're true. But Garrus tried to be a good leader once and failed, mostly because he wasn't prepared for betrayal. I don't know how Shepard will react in that matter, but s/he certainly would not lose his/her entire squad because of that.

[BatmanPWNS]

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

[CptData]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

She had a squad on Eden Prime. Besides that, I guess she (or Kaidan) were choosen because they needed a loyal human Spectre as replacement for Shepard (regardless if s/he got reinstated). "Human" is the keyword.

[jeweledleah]

GodWood wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

GodWood wrote...
He was in the military you know.

which he left, because by his own admission, he is a bad Turian and has trouble following orders if he thinks they are bad orders.

So? He had military training since age 15. If the turian military is anything like my country's military he would have had to of learned 'leadership skills'.

I'm not saying he has no leadership skills, becasue he does.

what he DOESN't have and that's somethign that's necessary to be a spectre and stay a spectre, is tollerance for political BS.  Garrus can be the most skilled Turian in the entire Turian race, the most amazing leader that has ever lived and he STILL won't stay a spectre.  if you renegade him in ME1 - he tries to rejoin the training program.  he leaves becasue he cannot deal with all the BS and lies and pretences.

Garrus is at his best when freelancing.

[CptData]

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm not saying he has no leadership skills, becasue he does.

what he DOESN't have and that's somethign that's necessary to be a spectre and stay a spectre, is tollerance for political BS.  Garrus can be the most skilled Turian in the entire Turian race, the most amazing leader that has ever lived and he STILL won't stay a spectre.  if you renegade him in ME1 - he tries to rejoin the training program.  he leaves becasue he cannot deal with all the BS and lies and pretences.

Garrus is at his best when freelancing.

I quoted myself here already:
Garrus lacks discipline.

Discipline is what every turian needs. It's extremely valued in their society - bascially, it defines the entire turian race. Garrus himself stated once he is a bad turian.

He's a hothead and has a tendency to do things on his own without considering consequences. That costed him a place on the list of candidates.

[Skullheart]

If Garrus can't be a spectre it might be by Shepard's fault. Garrus needs to stay out of Shep's shadow and stop being a nobody. The SB files said something like that.

[Skullheart]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

the VS has the support of the Alliance. They being the "second human spectre" is just a political move.

[Lady Luck]

Chewin3 wrote...
*snip*

Basically this.

[phantomdragoness]

I don't want Garrus to become a Spectre...

Because every Spectre Shepard meets ends up dead. D:

[CptData]

Skullheart wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

the VS has the support of the Alliance. They being the "second human spectre" is just a political move.

I must concur.

Since Shepard died / returned and was working for a terrorist organization, there was a lack of human influence on the Spectres. It makes sense to choose Ashley / Kaidan to replace Shepard, since both showed their value in fighting the Geth and Saren.

I think the VS becomes Spectre somewhere between Horizon and beginning of ME3, therefore, Shepard was able to regain his/her Spectre status. If Shepard got not reinstated, the VS replaces him or her. In case Shepard got reinstated, why adding a new human Spectre? Most likely because the Council knew about Shepards questionable loyalty and priorities. Therefore they needed a trustworthy replacement.

[Chewin]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...
(...)There is no reason to believe he should be a Spectre

Well he shouldn't be a Spectre.

He says it himself, he only wants to join the Spectre's b/c he thinks that's the best way to make things matter, to help people and make a difference. After what he learned of how things work with the Spectre's, with politics instead of action, I doubt he'll even return to them, which is a good thing.

CptData wrote...
*snip*

And the VS having connections with Shepard also helps a great deal.

Modifié par Chewin3, 08 décembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[Chewin]

DP

Modifié par Chewin3, 08 décembre 2011 - 07:37 .