44 réponses à ce sujet

[Trinity66]

CptData wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

She had a squad on Eden Prime. Besides that, I guess she (or Kaidan) were choosen because they needed a loyal human Spectre as replacement for Shepard (regardless if s/he got reinstated). "Human" is the keyword.

This barely indicates her leadership skills, especially when she didn't acomplish anything with her team, while Garrus's team was pretty successful at what they were doing.
Same goes for Miranda. Don't know why people thinks she is great leader, maybe it was something in the comics, (haven't read those), but in ME2 I don't remember hearing of her great leadership abilites from anyone. Yes it says so on the sucide mission, but then again, even Shadow Broker was more impressed about Garrus's skills then hers.

I think Garrus would be a great Spectre, if he would be more patient when dealing with politics and law.   

[jeweledleah]

Trinity66 wrote...

CptData wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Ey, Ashley made it with no leadership skills so it can't be that hard.

She had a squad on Eden Prime. Besides that, I guess she (or Kaidan) were choosen because they needed a loyal human Spectre as replacement for Shepard (regardless if s/he got reinstated). "Human" is the keyword.

I think Garrus would be a great Spectre, if he would be more patient when dealing with politics and law.   

THIS is the key reason why he's not a spectre, and unless he somehow cardinaly changes and bends some of his personal moral code - never will be

Ashley for all of her dislike of politicians was willing to work TWICE as hard as everyone else just to get promoted.  Kaidan was already politicaly savvy. Garrus?  the dude is like those gifted kids you hear about, so tallented.. and just unwilling to aply that tallent becasue it involves doing even a little bit of something they really don't want to do.

@ Cpt.  you say discipline,I say patience, but I think we might mean the same thing

[naledgeborn]

Trinity66 wrote...

Same goes for Miranda. Don't know why people thinks she is great leader, maybe it was something in the comics, (haven't read those), but in ME2 I don't remember hearing of her great leadership abilites from anyone. Yes it says so on the sucide mission, but then again, even Shadow Broker was more impressed about Garrus's skills then hers.

She seems to be a big deal within Cerberus and among the Normandy Crew. Crewmen Hadley and Matthews hold her in high enough regard to mention her along side Shepard. That implies that a lot of her résumé is classified to non-Cerberus personnel and that her résumé is in itself impressive. And she lead the Lazarus team and makes for a great Fire Team Leader during the SM...

But I digress this thread is about Garrus.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 08 décembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[Gespenst]

CptData wrote...

She had a squad on Eden Prime.

And got them all killed in an ambush by a bunch of robots with flashlight heads.

[Drone223]

He spends too much time doing calibrations nuff said

[AdmiralCheez]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

I see people ask this question alot. And I've thought about.

I honestly believe that Garrus will never progress into that leader type role because he's always following Shephard. Sure its a mentor role there with Shephard being the "Mentor".. But sooner or later you gotta act on your own and lead with enough experience to fill a role like that.

SPOILER ALERT: He does.

He just hasn't had the chance to break out and really come into his own yet.  But he's got the potential--he's passionate, he's capable, he's fearless, he gives all of himself to the cause, and he cares about the people he works with.  Life's just being a colossal dick to him, and it kind of deflated his self-confidence (along with his faith in the galaxy).

Garrus and his squad on Omega was more like a journey and learning experience. ( Betrayal ) What happened with Garrus on Omega is similar to Shephard on Akuze or the blitz or even the events of Mass Effect 1 ( Minus Garrus's team getting slaughtered )

So if a similar experience shaped Shepard into a leader...

Garrus hasnt been put in enough leader positions.

~ Head of C-Sec investigating Saren ( Not really combat experience )
~ His squad on Omega
~ Possibly fire squad leader on the SM mission in Mass Effect 2

... Thats it.

He has a ton of potential but hasn't been put out there enough to lead.

But in those roles, he did a damn good job.  His military career was also noteworthy enough to get him flagged as a Spectre candidate.  He was frustrated with C-Sec because he spent too much time getting stonewalled by bureaucrats, too much time kissing up to the people in charge, and not enough time helping people and going after criminals.

He's reckless and hotheaded, sure, but he's young.  He's still learning.  By the end of ME2, especially if you've paragoned him, he's really grown as a person--he's not the disgruntled cop you picked up on the Citadel anymore.

The reason Garrus wouldn't make a good Spectre is that as soon as he disagreed with the Council, he'd quit.  He follows his own morals, his own causes, not someone else's.  He follows Shepard out of trust and respect, not submission.

[Unschuld]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
*snip*

Well said. He has plenty of leadership potential, he just hasn't reached that point yet. His trials on Omega showed him this. Whether or not it was really his fault that Sidonis went turncoat doesn't matter, because HE sees it as a failure of his leadership.One of the things that makes a good leader is first learning to become a good follower. He seems to do well in that respect on Shepard's team. When he steps out from under that wing, he could very well become a great leader.

[jeweledleah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The reason Garrus wouldn't make a good Spectre is that as soon as he disagreed with the Council, he'd quit.  He follows his own morals, his own causes, not someone else's.  He follows Shepard out of trust and respect, not submission.

pretty much what I've been trying to say.

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

pretty much what I've been trying to say.

Really?

*reads your posts*

WELL I'LL BE DAMNED.

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

[Kaiser Shepard]

What good is a license to kill if you'd do so regardless?

[Unschuld]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What good is a license to kill if you'd do so regardless?

Legal backing.

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What good is a license to kill if you'd do so regardless?

Garrus is so badass, he doesn't need diplomatic immunity.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What good is a license to kill if you'd do so regardless?

Garrus is so badass, he doesn't need diplomatic immunity.

Until someone started dropping Nuclear bombgs around him......

[Wulfram]

I don't think Garrus lacks the leadership skills - hell, I don't think leadership skills are necessariy required, Spectres use a variety of methods, I'm sure the Council finds uses for someone who operates alone. I don't think his independent bent is necessarily an insurmountable obstacle, since Spectres have a ludicrous amount of operational freedom.

But he's had two chances to become a Spectre and backed out of them. I can't see him being offered another.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What good is a license to kill if you'd do so regardless?

Garrus is so badass, he doesn't need diplomatic immunity.

Until someone started dropping Nuclear bombgs around him......

Fiat iustitia ruat caelum.

[darthnick427]

He has the skillz. And it doesn't have much to do with leadership in becoming a spectre. More getting the job done and following orders from the council. He'd be great at it as long as he listened to the council, which I feel would happen more than people give him credit for.

If you think back to renegade options in ME2 if Shepard tells the council to f*ck off Garrus is the one that suggests they stop fighting and they need to work together. and if he was pissed with the council and their bullsh!T, he could always go to Shepard to cool him down and give guidance if needed. He'd be amazing at the job imo.

But I'm fine with the role he has in ME3 from the leaks. I completely expect him to become a Spectre after the reaper war. My ideal ending for ME3 is Shepard and Garrus as Spectres, flying around working together on missions on the Normandy with any of the crew and squad that who survived the war that wanted to come along.

[MysticSpace]

Gespenst wrote...

CptData wrote...

She had a squad on Eden Prime.

And got them all killed in an ambush by a bunch of robots with flashlight heads.

  In broad daylight no less.

[CptData]

MysticSpace wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

CptData wrote...

She had a squad on Eden Prime.

And got them all killed in an ambush by a bunch of robots with flashlight heads.

  In broad daylight no less.

Overwhelmed by numbers doesn't really count, hmm? Ambush does not always include "hiding".

[Wulfram]

Really, having most of your squad wiped out seems like it's almost a badge of honour in Mass Effect.

What with Ruthless and SS Shepard, Ashley on Eden Prime, Wrex at the Crush with his treacherous father, Garrus on Omega, Miranda and Jacob on the Lazarus project station, Tali on Freedoms Progress, Tali and Reagar on Haestrom, Joker losing the crew of the Normandy and Zaeed practically everywhere. Technically Samara too, though she was the one who killed them so it doesn't really count.

[Dariustwinblade]

The title of "Archangle" is a thousand times more badass than a mere Specter.