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[Persephone]

Merilsell wrote...

Nine months later, I have forgotten about this game existence... or rather my level of indifference toward it and its characters had never been higher. DA2 is for me one of these mediocre games I played through once, shrugged and put it in a corner to let it collect dust. I simply can't bring the amount or effort to care for it anymore.

But then again, that is valid for anything Dragon Age that came after DA:O *shrug*

Well, Meri, replace DAII with DAO and you'll have my side of the picture. *Shrugs herself* I'm sick of seeing DAO put on a pedestal, its flaws brushed aside and its fans turning their noses at DAII fans who do not agree with their "Well, DAII is mediocre and I really don't caaaaaaaaaare!" attitude. It's stuff like this that serves to diminish my fondness for DAO even further. Goes both ways, I guess.

Still like you and your Lenya though.

Modifié par Persephone, 09 décembre 2011 - 06:58 .

[bEVEsthda]

Persephone wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool.

You thought DAO was real, gritty (REALLY?) and tactical? Um...ok.

Speak for yourself and no, generalizations don't really mean a thing. They are just rude, pointless and uncalled for.

I am 31 btw, have played RPGs and LARPed (ACTUAL ROLE playing, ya know? Not just sitting in front of a screen) , table-topped etc. for 15+ years. I adore DAII, prefer it to DAO and OMG, think it's a better RPG than DAO as well.

He is speaking for himself. As are you.
But we are legion who understand exactly what he means by: " a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool."
 I do.  He means exactly the same thing as I do, when I sometimse feel myself called to describe things in DA2 as "retarded".
You may think such words "are just rude, pointless and uncalled for".
I beg to differ. And I think they are called for. Because that's really how we feel about the changes made to DA2. Really. And we have to express that someway. While "childish" in itself may not need to be a bad thing, the mood, spirit and style of DA2 is childish in a way that is very distasteful. It awakes disgust in us. And there is yet another side to that. That it was done to a game franchise that originally featured a different mood.

I think maybe, that you at some point must stop considering every expression of disgust  for DA2 as a personal insult.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[furryrage59]

This is the first game to have hurt me on some deep level, still as sore today as i was when i first realised with complete horror what they had done.

Hopefully one day it will pass, sigh.

[Apathy1989]

9 months later... hmm....

Its odd. I find it hard to go back to DAO after playing DA2. Simply for the combat. Watching slow animations tick over, having my character take eons to stand up, being unable to dodge attacks, all annoying now.

But there are so many things I miss from DAO. Characters look visually less interesting, but they became important to me as the player in my first playthrough. DA2 characters have only taken my affections through exposure really - after so many run throughs you eventually get a feel for them. Whether this is the quality of the characters, or simply the length of the game, I do not know.


Things I still prefer in DA2:
- Art style. DAO was deadly boring to look at.
- Combat. Again, while DAO had more skills, the slow pacing made it dull.
- Bugs. DAO is far more buggy than DA2.
- Lack of PC voice acting.

Things DA2 was terrible for:
- Repeated dungeons.
- Lack of character conversions with hawk giving more depth
- Lack of overall epic arc. DA2 was fun, but it wasn't epic.
- Less choices. Having choices like Witcher 2 would be great, but simply not having to kill everyone I encountered would be satisfactory.
- No recognition of class, more specifically as a mage. I realise to make this work, it would require designing the game ground up so that the player never has the opportunity to use spells around templars, but oh wait thats what you did.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:02 .

[Aaleel]

Slayer299 wrote...

9 mos later and time hasn't changed my view on DA2 and the problems I found to make the game extremely unpalatable. Bioware has put out several patches to address abilities and exploding bodies, etc, but those won't be changing what I see as fatal flaws in DA2 and would make it fun and playable for me.

This is pretty much me.  I've tried to go back and play it, especially after I played Legacy.  But the game just isn't fun for me.  There are things about the game that just prevent me from playing and enjoying it.  Origins wasn't perfect, but it didn't have any flaws that ruined my enjoyment of it, whereas DA2 does, and more than one.

[Persephone]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Persephone wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool.

You thought DAO was real, gritty (REALLY?) and tactical? Um...ok.

Speak for yourself and no, generalizations don't really mean a thing. They are just rude, pointless and uncalled for.

I am 31 btw, have played RPGs and LARPed (ACTUAL ROLE playing, ya know? Not just sitting in front of a screen) , table-topped etc. for 15+ years. I adore DAII, prefer it to DAO and OMG, think it's a better RPG than DAO as well.

1) He is speaking for himself. As are you.
2) But we are legion who understand exactly what he means by: " a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool."
3)  I do.  He means exactly the same thing as I do, when I feel myself called to describe things in DA2 as "retarded".
You may think such words "are just rude, pointless and uncalled for".
I beg to differ. And I think they are called for. Because that's really how we feel about the changes made to DA2. Really. And we have to express that someway.

4)While "childish" in itself may not need to be a bad thing, the mood, spirit and style of DA2 is childish in a way that is very distasteful. It awakes disgust in us.


5) And there is yet another side to that. That it was done to a game franchise that originally featured a different mood.

6) I think maybe, that you at some point must stop considering every expression of disgust  for DA2 as a personal insult.

1) Um, no. He isn't.

2) Puleaaaaaaze, get over yourself. That high horse is getting a tad tiresome.

3) Couldn't care less about your feelings there. Such feelings can be expressed without insults, rudeness and generalizations. It's been done before, you know?

4) To you. Yes. That makes it what? More important than the delight others found in it?

5) Mood? MOOD is what is being questioned now? What IS DAO's "mood"? My playthroughs had different "moods" ....so which one is the "right" one?

6) And I think that, maybe, you should stop considering a GAME that came out 9 months ago as a personal insult.


Yeesh.

[Merilsell]

Persephone wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Nine months later, I have forgotten about this game existence... or rather my level of indifference toward it and its characters had never been higher. DA2 is for me one of these mediocre games I played through once, shrugged and put it in a corner to let it collect dust. I simply can't bring the amount or effort to care for it anymore.

But then again, that is valid for anything Dragon Age that came after DA:O *shrug*

Well, Meri, replace DAII with DAO and you'll have my side of the picture. *Shrugs herself* I'm sick of seeing DAO put on a pedestal, its flaws brushed aside and its fans turning their noses at DAII fans who do not agree with their "Well, DAII is mediocre and I really don't caaaaaaaaaare!" attitude. It's stuff like this that serves to diminish my fondness for DAO even further. Goes both ways, I guess.

Still like you and your Lenya though.

Which is why I have written "For me it is a mediocre game, because this is how I feel about it. That is an opinion (mine) and not a fact. Fine difference here.

And no DA:O isn't perfect but it managed to make me care for the characters and world, so that I'm still up to that day very much attached to it, whereas DA2 left me completely cold. Which is probably the reason why I don't game it anymore or have any interest in starting another playthrough. Just like so many other games in my collection. Easy as. It is really not rocket science 

[Plaintiff]

Persephone wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool. Spin kicking the flasks pretty much sums it up. Only those aren't actual flasks but talents that materialize unlimited amounts of said 'flasks'. Interesting rules that provided tactical depth like Armor Penetration were cut in favor or mindless combat for casual gamers... I'll just stop here.

I like my RPGs realistic, believable and challenging instead of light and gamey.

And bring back actual RPG stats for PCs a la D&D instead of the meaningless linear progression of both DA games.

As someone yet to play DA 2 (will be here tomorrow), the above worries me, especially the cartoonishness because of immersion.

Just keep an open mind and go into the game without any preset second hand opinions. :happy:

That is exactly why I just don't read reviews. Not just of games, but of anything. I can't begin to imagine the number of books, films and videogames that might've been ruined for me just because some person I don't even know said they were bad.

In some ways, I really feel that professional critics do consumers a disservice, but it's partly our own fault for allowing our opinions to be coloured by what strangers publish.

[DreamwareStudio]

Persephone wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool. Spin kicking the flasks pretty much sums it up. Only those aren't actual flasks but talents that materialize unlimited amounts of said 'flasks'. Interesting rules that provided tactical depth like Armor Penetration were cut in favor or mindless combat for casual gamers... I'll just stop here.

I like my RPGs realistic, believable and challenging instead of light and gamey.

And bring back actual RPG stats for PCs a la D&D instead of the meaningless linear progression of both DA games.

As someone yet to play DA 2 (will be here tomorrow), the above worries me, especially the cartoonishness because of immersion.

Just keep an open mind and go into the game without any preset second hand opinions. :happy:

See, that truly worries me.  Your statement of keep an open mind and go into it without any preset second hand opinions/preconceived notions is the same thing I've had told to me regarding some seriously subpar games (Gothic ring a bell?) that people wanted to defend for one reason or another, usually because the developer had produced games in the past that person loved and didn't want to see the developer hurt.

That said, anyone who spends even a second on the internet researching a game will have preconceived notions.  Even if you don't research a game, you get a preconceived notion the moment you see the box and read the marketing verbage.  If that marketing material had no effect on you, you wouldn't but the game.

Now, whether a game lives up or down to those notions depends on the quality of the game.

Modifié par google_calasade, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:27 .

[Persephone]

Merilsell wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Nine months later, I have forgotten about this game existence... or rather my level of indifference toward it and its characters had never been higher. DA2 is for me one of these mediocre games I played through once, shrugged and put it in a corner to let it collect dust. I simply can't bring the amount or effort to care for it anymore.

But then again, that is valid for anything Dragon Age that came after DA:O *shrug*

Well, Meri, replace DAII with DAO and you'll have my side of the picture. *Shrugs herself* I'm sick of seeing DAO put on a pedestal, its flaws brushed aside and its fans turning their noses at DAII fans who do not agree with their "Well, DAII is mediocre and I really don't caaaaaaaaaare!" attitude. It's stuff like this that serves to diminish my fondness for DAO even further. Goes both ways, I guess.

Still like you and your Lenya though.

Which is why I have written "For me it is a mediocre game, because this is how I feel about it. That is an opinion (mine) and not a fact. Fine difference here.

Oh, I am aware of that. It is you being AWARE of that difference that makes the difference here. (Yikes, what a sentence!:happy:)

[Persephone]

Plaintiff wrote...

Persephone wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool. Spin kicking the flasks pretty much sums it up. Only those aren't actual flasks but talents that materialize unlimited amounts of said 'flasks'. Interesting rules that provided tactical depth like Armor Penetration were cut in favor or mindless combat for casual gamers... I'll just stop here.

I like my RPGs realistic, believable and challenging instead of light and gamey.

And bring back actual RPG stats for PCs a la D&D instead of the meaningless linear progression of both DA games.

As someone yet to play DA 2 (will be here tomorrow), the above worries me, especially the cartoonishness because of immersion.

Just keep an open mind and go into the game without any preset second hand opinions. :happy:

That is exactly why I just don't read reviews. Not just of games, but of anything. I can't begin to imagine the number of books, films and videogames that might've been ruined for me just because some person I don't even know said they were bad.

In some ways, I really feel that professional critics do consumers a disservice, but it's partly our own fault for allowing our opinions to be coloured by what strangers publish.

This. SO MUCH this. Perfectly said.<3

[Rawgrim]

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool. Spin kicking the flasks pretty much sums it up. Only those aren't actual flasks but talents that materialize unlimited amounts of said 'flasks'. Interesting rules that provided tactical depth like Armor Penetration were cut in favor or mindless combat for casual gamers... I'll just stop here.

I like my RPGs realistic, believable and challenging instead of light and gamey.

And bring back actual RPG stats for PCs a la D&D instead of the meaningless linear progression of both DA games.

This!

[Plaintiff]

google_calasade wrote...

Persephone wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

1varangian wrote...

I've got some sympathy for you.

After Origins I wanted the DA franchise get even more real, gritty, more choice and tactical depth into the battles. (i.e. mortal companions, limited magic use)

Instead it became a lame cartoon romp only a 10 year old might still find cool. Spin kicking the flasks pretty much sums it up. Only those aren't actual flasks but talents that materialize unlimited amounts of said 'flasks'. Interesting rules that provided tactical depth like Armor Penetration were cut in favor or mindless combat for casual gamers... I'll just stop here.

I like my RPGs realistic, believable and challenging instead of light and gamey.

And bring back actual RPG stats for PCs a la D&D instead of the meaningless linear progression of both DA games.

As someone yet to play DA 2 (will be here tomorrow), the above worries me, especially the cartoonishness because of immersion.

Just keep an open mind and go into the game without any preset second hand opinions. :happy:

See, that truly worries me.  Your statement of keep an open mind and go into it without any preset second hand opinions/preconceived notions is the same thing I've had told to me regarding some seriously subpar games (Gothic ring a bell?) that people wanted to defend for one reason or another, usually because the developer had produced games in the past that person loved and didn't want to see the developer hurt.

That said, anyone who spends even a second on the internet researching a game will have preconceived notions.  Whether a game lives up or down to those notions depends on the quality of the game.

But by the same token, reading a review, whether positive or negative, can premptively influence your opinion. And there's also the issue of confirmation bias.

For example;
 
Critic says: "DA2 had flashier combat animations and I thought they sucked".

You say: "I don't like flashy animations, plus this person said they sucked, and their opinion is on a professional website/magazine" and/or "they're my friend and they know what I like, so they must be correct."

The end result is that you go into the game, already geared up to strongly dislike at least one aspect of it, whether you mean to or not. And sure enough, it's exactly what you expected. You'll never know what your reaction would've been if it hadn't already been coloured. If you'd gone in "pure", you might've been pleasantly surprised, as I have been when I decide to take the plunge on games I wouldn't normally go for.

But of course, it doesn't work this way for everyone. And considering how much a game can cost (especially where I am, Australia), it's totally reasonable that you would want to scout out other opinions before making such a significant investment of money and time.

But I do think that "try to keep an open mind" is the best advice in this particular instance, because DA2 is so unlike Origins, and indeed, quite unlike any other game I've ever experienced. People have to be prepared to accept the game for what it is, instead of focussing on everything it isn't.

[DarthCaine]

Anyone else read it "2 months later" ?

[Persephone]

DarthCaine wrote...

Anyone else read it "2 months later" ?

I did, I admit it.

[bEVEsthda]

Persephone wrote...

2) Puleaaaaaaze, get over yourself. That high horse is getting a tad tiresome.

Then climb down. You do almost nothing else on this forum, than attacking people who express dislike for DA2. And you never have any point, except that you found DA:O much more -whatever- worse. I've seen you do this for months. Often interjecting such posts after each and every.

3) Couldn't care less about your feelings there. Such feelings can be expressed without insults, rudeness and generalizations. It's been done before, you know?

See? How antagonistic you are? And how is this statement by you not using these generalizations?

4) To you. Yes. That makes it what? More important than the delight others found in it?

Again, antagonistic and quarrelsome. And no other point. And for that purpose you also project things on me I have never said.

5) Mood? MOOD is what is being questioned now? What IS DAO's "mood"? My playthroughs had different "moods" ....so which one is the "right" one?

How was this so hard to understand? Because you wanted to argue? The mood of the games are different. That has not much to do with whatever mood you have.

6) And I think that, maybe, you should stop considering a GAME that came out 9 months ago as a personal insult.

So then, tell me how I'm considering this 9 month old game a personal insult?

Yeesh.

Indeed.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Plaintiff wrote...

But by the same token, reading a review, whether positive or negative, can premptively influence your opinion. And there's also the issue of confirmation bias.

For example;
 
Critic says: "DA2 had flashier combat animations and I thought they sucked".

You say: "I don't like flashy animations, plus this person said they sucked, and their opinion is on a professional website/magazine" and/or "they're my friend and they know what I like, so they must be correct."

The end result is that you go into the game, already geared up to strongly dislike at least one aspect of it, whether you mean to or not. And sure enough, it's exactly what you expected. You'll never know what your reaction would've been if it hadn't already been coloured. If you'd gone in "pure", you might've been pleasantly surprised, as I have been when I decide to take the plunge on games I wouldn't normally go for.

But of course, it doesn't work this way for everyone. And considering how much a game can cost (especially where I am, Australia), it's totally reasonable that you would want to scout out other opinions before making such a significant investment of money and time.

But I do think that "try to keep an open mind" is the best advice in this particular instance, because DA2 is so unlike Origins, and indeed, quite unlike any other game I've ever experienced. People have to be prepared to accept the game for what it is, instead of focussing on everything it isn't.

My friend likes Mountain Dew.  I hate it.  Just because they are my friend doesn't make them right.  The same can be said for professional reviewers (more often than not, their views are skewed depending on how much money is paid to them through advertising).

I'm enough of an individual to make up my mind about what I like or do not without someone else's opinion influencing mine.  When I research a game, I look for things mentioned in the gameplay of a review/post/whatever that I might like rather than searching for things I think will suck.  I do not pay much attention to personal preferences, because -- let's face it -- those are limited to that person.

There are, however, red flags.  "Keep an open mind" and "ignore anything anyone says that is negative" are a couple of them. LOL

Too, preconceived notions are automatic when a game is touted as a sequel or shares the same name as a predecessor.  Though Dragon Age 2 is not a sequel of Dragon Age: Origins, there will be automatic comparisons and preset ideals.

Huh, I just realized something.  This is not uncovered territory.  Wasn't there a game called Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance which had nothing to do with the Bhaal storyline not long after Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn and the Throne of Bhaal were released?

Modifié par google_calasade, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:48 .

[Aaleel]

I read reviews for games I'm not already sold on (Not pre-orders), but when I do I usually read the ones in the middle, that 5-7 range. Those are usually the most honest, and usually talk about the good and bad things about the game, movie, etc.

I have two friends I trust. I know what kind of stuff they like, they know what kind of stuff I like. Pretty much every time one of us has ignored the others "I like this, but you may not, or you won't like this," we've usually ended up wasting some money lol.

Large ticket purchases for the home and things like that. I read extensive reviews, and do extensive research.

[Plaintiff]

google_calasade wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

But by the same token, reading a review, whether positive or negative, can premptively influence your opinion. And there's also the issue of confirmation bias.

For example;
 
Critic says: "DA2 had flashier combat animations and I thought they sucked".

You say: "I don't like flashy animations, plus this person said they sucked, and their opinion is on a professional website/magazine" and/or "they're my friend and they know what I like, so they must be correct."

The end result is that you go into the game, already geared up to strongly dislike at least one aspect of it, whether you mean to or not. And sure enough, it's exactly what you expected. You'll never know what your reaction would've been if it hadn't already been coloured. If you'd gone in "pure", you might've been pleasantly surprised, as I have been when I decide to take the plunge on games I wouldn't normally go for.

But of course, it doesn't work this way for everyone. And considering how much a game can cost (especially where I am, Australia), it's totally reasonable that you would want to scout out other opinions before making such a significant investment of money and time.

But I do think that "try to keep an open mind" is the best advice in this particular instance, because DA2 is so unlike Origins, and indeed, quite unlike any other game I've ever experienced. People have to be prepared to accept the game for what it is, instead of focussing on everything it isn't.

My friend likes Mountain Dew.  I hate it.  Just because they are my friend doesn't make them right.  The same can be said for professional reviewers (more often than not, their views are skewed depending on how much money is paid to them through advertising).

I'm enough of an individual to make up my mind about what I like or do not without someone else's opinion influencing mine.  When I research a game, I look for things mentioned in the gameplay of a review/post/whatever rather than searching for things I think will suck.  I do not pay much attention to personal preferences, because -- let's face it -- those are limited to that person.

There are, however, red flags.  "Keep an open mind" and "ignore anything anyone says that is negative" are a couple of them. LOL

I would never tell you to ignore all the negativity, but I would advise you to take note of the positivity as well. I find that complainers are more vocal on almost every issue (which makes sense; contented individuals don't feel the need to speak up because they don't want things to change).

I highly enjoyed Origins and DA2 for what they offer. I have some criticisms of DA2, but they're mostly in areas where I felt they didn't go far enough. DA2 isn't bad, at least, not to me, but there is no denying that it is very different. Gamers as a whole, in my personal experience, tend to be set in their ways, and it's no surprise that they would find the changes in DA2 jarring.

[Persephone]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Then climb down. You do almost nothing else on this forum, than attacking people who express dislike for DA2. And you never have any point, except that you found DA:O much more -whatever- worse. I've seen you do this for months. Often interjecting such posts after each and every.

3) Couldn't care less about your feelings there. Such feelings can be expressed without insults, rudeness and generalizations. It's been done before, you know?

See? How antagonistic you are? And how is this statement by you not using these generalizations?

4) To you. Yes. That makes it what? More important than the delight others found in it?

Again, antagonistic and quarrelsome. And no other point. And for that purpose you also project things on me I have never said.

5) Mood? MOOD is what is being questioned now? What IS DAO's "mood"? My playthroughs had different "moods" ....so which one is the "right" one?

How was this so hard to understand? Because you wanted to argue? The mood of the games are different. That has not much to do with whatever mood you have.

6) And I think that, maybe, you should stop considering a GAME that came out 9 months ago as a personal insult.

So then, tell me how I'm considering this 9 month old game a personal insult?

Yeesh.

Indeed.

Oh, the hypocrisy sure is grand there. No points.....sure. Because I never discussed the game(s), my preferences & reasons at length. Wait, I did. Whatever.

Saying that critical opinions can be expressed without reducing those who disagree to ten year olds is antagonistic....right....and a generalization. Sure.

You moaning about "antagonistic" and "quarrelsome" would be a lot more believeable were it not for your own antagonistic and quarrelsome posts. Like the one I quoted, among others. Seriously, you're playing the victim now? Ok.

There is no set mood for either game that everybody will agree on. Easy as that. It's a moot point.

How? You really don't see it, do you?

Indeed. Yes.

Modifié par Persephone, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[bEVEsthda]

Persephone wrote...Oh, the hypocrisy sure is grand there. No points.....sure. Because I never discussed the game(s), my preferences & reasons at length. Wait, I did. Whatever.

Saying that critical opinions can be expressed without reducing those who disagree to ten year old is antagonistic....right....and a generalization. Sure.

You moaning about "antagonistic" and "quarrelsome" would be a lot more believeable were it not for your own antagonistic and quarrelsome posts. Like the one I quoted, among others. Seriously, you're playing the victim now? Ok.

There is no set mood for either game that everybody will agree on. Easy as that. It's a moot point.

How? You really don't see it, do you?

Indeed. Yes.

^Typical Persephone post.

But yes, That post by me was antagonistic, but what was it a respons to? (Though I have to admit it was probably more John Epler's input that provoked my answer.) Than your usual theatrics. And my point was that almost ALL yours are. And not only the posts. Every sentence. Look how you number each statement and contrieve up something sneering and off point on every one?
I do understand that this is maybe how you argue, but don't you see how endless this is?

[RagingCyclone]

Persephone and bEVEsthda--please take this to pm's so this thread doesn't get locked. Epler already posted a warning about these kinds of posts.

[Persephone]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Persephone wrote...Oh, the hypocrisy sure is grand there. No points.....sure. Because I never discussed the game(s), my preferences & reasons at length. Wait, I did. Whatever.

Saying that critical opinions can be expressed without reducing those who disagree to ten year old is antagonistic....right....and a generalization. Sure.

You moaning about "antagonistic" and "quarrelsome" would be a lot more believeable were it not for your own antagonistic and quarrelsome posts. Like the one I quoted, among others. Seriously, you're playing the victim now? Ok.

There is no set mood for either game that everybody will agree on. Easy as that. It's a moot point.

How? You really don't see it, do you?

Indeed. Yes.

^Typical Persephone post.

But yes, That post by me was antagonistic, but what was it a respons to? (Though I have to admit it was probably more John Epler's input that provoked my answer.) Than your usual theatrics. And my point was that almost ALL yours are. And not only the posts. Every sentence. Look how you number each statement and contrieve up something sneering and off point on every one?
I do understand that this is maybe how you argue, but don't you see how endless this is?

If you're quite done making this personal....

You call me theatrical, yet "We are legion....etc." is what? Sober, thoughtful, objective and what not?

I number statements because I don't want the hassle of quoting stuff seperately. (Darn Irish keyboard) Easy as that. Off point....sure.

Yes, endless. And pointless because this was about reducing those who love a game to 10 year olds who think it's cool being wrong and uncalled for, originally. Until YOU turned it into a "Why I do not like Persephone" post. I am flattered by the attention, truly (*Snerk*) but it's off topic just the same.<_<

[Persephone]

RagingCyclone wrote...

Persephone and bEVEsthda--please take this to pm's so this thread doesn't get locked. Epler already posted a warning about these kinds of posts.

Good point. Sorry about that. *Slinks back into the shadows*

[bEVEsthda]

Persephone wrote...

Yes, endless. And pointless because this was about reducing those who love a game to 10 year olds who think it's cool being wrong and uncalled for, originally. Until YOU turned it into a "Why I do not like Persephone" post. I am flattered by the attention, truly (*Snerk*) but it's off topic just the same.<_<

Much better.
See how much more sense you make here?

P.S. Rereading this, I realize that I must explain that I'm not satirical here. I really mean it. You do make sense and you do explain it well from your viewpoint, this time.

I've nothing more to add. I can certainly see it from your point as well.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 09 décembre 2011 - 08:34 .