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[wright1978]

Have to say i much preferred thermal clips

[United_Strafes]

Good question, surprising that this hasn't been discussed before.......

[C9316]

Guys! The horse has been dead for a while, isn't it time to stop beating it?

[Unschuld]

Thermal clips.

crimzontearz wrote...

ask a soldier which one he would prefer......I dare you

Yeah, thermal clips.

[Drone223]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

CaineMaster wrote...

To all the people saying that thermal clips encourges players to change weapons I ask this, how?

.........

If I change weapons it's because
1) to use something different
2) this weapon works better against this opponent

There always enough clips to be found that you really shouldn't run out for any weapon unless you can't aim.

The people that argue that thermal clips encourage you to change weapons...don't quite have it right. What thermal clips DO force players to do (which is why in my opinion they are superior to overheating) is strategize, and play the game smarter.

With overheat, there weren't focused shots, or necessities to incorporate powers for maximum potential. All overheat accomplished was "SPAM ASSAULT RIFLE, OVERHEAT, COVER", lather rinse repeat. Thermal clips however PUNISH this type of player, and forces us to play smarter. Instead of spamming assault rifle, maybe we'll get rid of the enemy's shield with an overload, then make carefully placed shots to their head. After all, we've only got a limited number of shots we can fire.

If you're playing ME2 correctly, you're right, Caine--you'll never run out of clips. It's only when you aren't playing smart that you DO run out of clips.

[Xerxes52]

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Reusable Thermal Clips (with built in cooling system in Shepard's suit).

Basically ME2's faster reloading with ME1's infinite ammo. Best of both worlds, which means it's not gonna make it in.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:14 .

[mango smoothie]

Thermal clips, just have a way better feel to them. I really hated the overheat system in ME1 it felt clunky.

[capn233]

It doesn't really matter since thermal clips will be in ME3.

On the one hand the lazy part of me liked being able to just use the assault rifle or sniper rifle on every enemy in Mass Effect, but on the other I didn't mind the thermal clips in ME2.

Modifié par capn233, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:37 .

[DiebytheSword]

C9316 wrote...

Guys! The horse has been dead for a while, isn't it time to stop beating it?

True, but the horse has a cool down period instead of expendable life clips.  It keeps coming back to life if you wait for a bit.

[AlexXIV]

It honestly does not matter. The only point of it is to get the player to use weapons more economic. I mean with unlimited ammo you could just run around without ever stop firing. They could not have thermo clips and not have overheat and just give you a certain amount of ammo with which you have to do for the whole mission. I think the reasoning behind thermal clips is simply that many RPGers are collectors, or scavangers. They like to search rooms for valueable stuff etc. That's why they probably went from overheat with unlimited ammo (which is btw pretty unrealistic) to thermo clips. Could argue how realistic it is to always find enough ammo but oh well, still not as ridiculous as the thought that you have an unlimited number of bullets in any sort of weapon. I wonder if more people would be satisfied if there was both. Thermo clips and overheat.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:53 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

There could easily be a hybrid of both systems which is what they should just do to make everyone happy AND it would make more sense for the lore. 

You can let weapons vent heat automatically like the old days but it takes time, or you can do a quick manual heat pop to instantly drain it at the cost of thermal clips. 

At the very least I think they need to rethink the way thermal clips work too much like actual ammo, giving a specific number of shots per weapon they way they do.  It should be based more on being able to carry a set number of actual clips and each weapon just drains them (or i suppose technically fills them) at different speeds.  That way they would actually feel and behave like thermal clips and not ammo. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Chris Priestly]

You're welcome to discuss which you prefer, but you should know that we're using teh thermal clip system from ME2, not the overheat from ME1.

[AlexXIV]

Yeah agreed. Question would be if Bioware actually considers this problem serious. Or a problem at all. I for one never had a problem with either system in ME1 and ME2. So from my point of view it is really a minor issue. And for me personally none at all.

[AlexXIV]

Calinstel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You're welcome to discuss which you prefer, but you should know that we're using teh thermal clip system from ME2, not the overheat from ME1.

Chris,

I don't think anyone actually believes that Thermal Clips are going away.
We (at least I know I have been) are discussing the merits and believablity of either mode.  

Well in concern of believablitly it would be what Doctor Moustache said up there. Different ammo for different weapons, overheat when used too much (at least full automatic weapons). Heat sink popping, etc.

[AlexXIV]

Calinstel wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You're welcome to discuss which you prefer, but you should know that we're using teh thermal clip system from ME2, not the overheat from ME1.

Chris,

I don't think anyone actually believes that Thermal Clips are going away.
We (at least I know I have been) are discussing the merits and believablity of either mode.  

Well in concern of believablitly it would be what Doctor Moustache said up there. Different ammo for different weapons, overheat when used too much (at least full automatic weapons). Heat sink popping, etc.

Now now.  Let's not bring Garrus into this. 

If you have the flexibility, he has the range. That's what I heard anyway. Not that I know anything about that.

[Omega4RelayResident]

People who complain about the infinite ammo system with overheat being gone are the same people that hide behind one set of boxes 100 yards away from an enemy choke point and fire blindly killing their opponets with mosquito bites and grazed near misses.

in ME1 I put Explosive Ammo into my Sniper Rifle..... still could get off 2 shots before it overheated.... NOTHING got near me.... it was so broken.

Clips = Better.... just dont fire wildly into the air like some crazy person..... conserve your ammo.... aim for the head..... if you run out of ammo use your powers or go into a frenzy and smash everything in the face with the butt of your gun..... all melee runthroughs are possible.... (with a few missions as an exception)

[Unschuld]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...


Clips = Better.... just dont fire wildly into the air like some crazy person..... conserve your ammo.... aim for the head..... if you run out of ammo use your powers or go into a frenzy and smash everything in the face with the butt of your gun..... all melee runthroughs are possible.... (with a few missions as an exception)

+1

Aim for the head only when it's a sure thing. Center mass of the target as a general rule.

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[Someone With Mass]

As long as the drop is okay ( I think they've tweeted that they've improved the drop ratio and the piles of clips over the map) I don't have a problem with it. Makes it more fun when I have to make the shots count with a rifle like the Vindicator or Mattock.

In ME3, you'll ultimately have no-one to blame but yourself if you run out of ammo, since you're deciding which weapons you'll have and I think the ammo capacity for one weapon increases if you don't have more weapons.

One mission in the beta showed that the player had around 200 rounds for the pistol and in the co-op, he had over 300 rounds for the SMG and he had about 30 rounds for his shotgun at the same time. If you can't find any kind of ammo during that time, there's really no excuse to run out of ammo besides being careless.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Biotics. I actually managed a run-thru of ME 2 where I actually managed to play the whole game using biotics and the Heavy Weapon (usually either the Collector's raygun from Horizon or a Missile Launcher). (side note: I like Adepts)

With the choice between Overheat or TC, I'd preffer TC. It seems slightly more realistic.

[mauro2222]

Agg... not this again.

Both systems are... bleh.

People say that in ME1 you don't need to use powers, or you just shoot in controlled burst and you win. What? Did you ever played on Insanity? Sabotage anyone? Besides, if you shoot in controlled burts your enemy would probably laught at you since their shields recover faster than you shoot with your "controlled burst".


In ME1 you have those unbalanced mods.
And in ME2 if you ran out of "ammo" or thermal clips, you can't shoot. WTF?

Modifié par mauro2222, 09 décembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Unschuld]

mauro2222 wrote...

Agg... not this again.

Both systems are... bleh.

People say that in ME1 you don't need to use powers, or you just shoot in controlled burst and you win. What? Did you ever played on Insanity? Sabotage anyone? Besides, if you shoot in controlled burts your enemy would probably laught at you since their shields recover faster than you shoot with your "controlled burst".


In ME1 you have those unbalanced mods.
And in ME2 if you ran out of "ammo" or thermal clips, you can't shoot. WTF?

That's your prompt to get medieval on their ass.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Someone With Mass wrote...

As long as the drop is okay ( I think they've tweeted that they've improved the drop ratio and the piles of clips over the map) I don't have a problem with it. Makes it more fun when I have to make the shots count with a rifle like the Vindicator or Mattock.

In ME3, you'll ultimately have no-one to blame but yourself if you run out of ammo, since you're deciding which weapons you'll have and I think the ammo capacity for one weapon increases if you don't have more weapons.

One mission in the beta showed that the player had around 200 rounds for the pistol and in the co-op, he had over 300 rounds for the SMG and he had about 30 rounds for his shotgun at the same time. If you can't find any kind of ammo during that time, there's really no excuse to run out of ammo besides being careless.

There were some missions with an unusually low drop rate... like saving Mirandas EDIT(sister).... I never actually ran out of ammo..... but I was always affraid I would.... and there were missions that had TOO many ammo clips laying around..... Derelict Reaper.... okay Husks with Armor are scary as all hell.... I use to laugh at husks in ME1 but not anymore..... Still there was enough Ammo on that derelict Reaper to choke a Reaper.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 09 décembre 2011 - 11:13 .