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[slimgrin]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Still think Portal 2 was better than either.

A puzzle game? 

Uhm ..ok.

[Reptilian Rob]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

With all due respect - The VGA's have NOTHING on the Interactive Achievement Awards. That is like the emmys/oscars for video games. Truly a great show.

As for the fact skyrim won best RPG - i expected it. Skyrim was superior in pretty much every way. Sure, the characters for DA2 are WAY more memorable - but skyrim got way more going on. It was no surprise to me at all when it won.

.....Like how it'll b no surprise to me when ME3 wins Game of the Year for 2012 XD

Very true, the VGAs are user based awards, not critic awards. Also, I never said I didn't like Skyrim, I love it, and play it constantly. But the amount of bugs your game can potentially have is kind of lame, I must say. 

Skyrim won GOTY for the VGA fair and square and it deserved it for what it does. However, it is not an outstanding achievment until the entire game is playable to all platforms in my opinion. 

[CroGamer002]

Nameless one7 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Did anyone seriously think DA2 had a chance? Still a bull**** list Witcher 2 should be in the running at the very least.

Witcher 2's gameplay isn't good enough.

Actually, guy that run VGA has something against PC gaming.


Battlefield 3 wasn't on the list for best graphics.

Reason why is because on consoles BF3 is laggy as hell and has graphic pop ups, while on PC there's no game near it in graphics department, not even Crysis.

And yet, wasn't on the list. Why? Cause it's on PC.

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Still think Portal 2 was better than either.

A puzzle game? 

Uhm ..ok.

Did you play it?
Of every game being nominated Portal 2 probably deserves it for the originality more than anything else.

I know its hard for you to believe but there were more great games other than Witcher 2

[Jonp382]

Portal 2 is great. I much prefer RPGs to puzzle games, but I didn't really like the RPGs that came out this year. Though I should be able to enjoy Skyrim as much as Fallout 3 or New Vegas in a few months time.

[Il Divo]

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Still think Portal 2 was better than either.

A puzzle game? 

Uhm ..ok.

Did you play it?
Of every game being nominated Portal 2 probably deserves it for the originality more than anything else.

I know its hard for you to believe but there were more great games other than Witcher 2

Agreed, and I was originally disappointed by Portal 1 too. OTOH, I picked up Portal 2 and it just might be one of my favorite games I've ever played.

[Nerdage]

Luc0s wrote...

Meris wrote...

I don't think Witcher is an RPG.

And what makes you think that?

The Witcher 1 and 2 both are more RPG than DAII will ever be. Just look at the talent-trees of both games and realize that DAII's poor excuse for a talent-tree is simply laughable compared to those of The Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Because if you actually try and RP in either Witcher game then... well, you'd better like Geralt because that's your only choice. Sure the player gets to make choices but Geralt acts the same way however you play, which kills it as an RPG to me.

That's my reason anyway, couldn't say what Meris thinks.

[Zeus_Deus]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Bethesda, let me point you to the highest rated RPG game of all time. Mass Effect 2.

OH WHAT'S THAT!? The next three highest rated RPG games are also made by Bioware? Bualders Gate, Baulders Gate 2 and Jade Empire? Well now, there's something!

Bethesda 1 - Bioware 4

FAIL - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated RPG of all time.

You also forgot to include DA:O, SW:KotOR and NWN - all rated higher than Jade Empire.

Skyrim has the same metascore (95) as ME2 and BG2.

Oblivion has a higher metascore (94) than SW:KotOR (93).

Fallout 3 has the same metascore (91) as BG, NWN and DA:O.

Morrowind has the same metascore (89) as ME1.

So Bethesda RPGs can certainly match Bioware in ratings.

Modifié par Zeus_Deus, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:17 .

[Chromie]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I wonder if i'm the only one that loved (loves) both Skyrim AND DAII (Haven't played TW, mostly because I'm not into softcore porn) .

*snip*

The only reason I know who that is is because Ringo12 always has a Tina Fey (that's who it is, right?) profile pic.

And, not sure what that is. Is that a *rolls eyes*?


Edit: and I guess I'm alone in the belief that sex and after sex scenes with freely shown genitals is porn, if only softcore. But I don't mind.

Wow just wow. I guess the many many profile pics on BSN of DA characters almost completely naked hugging really close and kissing should be porn? In the profile pic btw Liz Lemon was distracting everyone from Jack I would say she was successful in that reguard. 

Softcore porn...that is laughable. I'd love to see how you react to any show on HBO.

slimgrin wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Still think Portal 2 was better than either.

A puzzle game? 

Uhm ..ok.

Hey Slim...don't knock it unless you've tried it. Portal 2 is a fantastic game and has such great voice acting and can tell a story with out actually saying anything. It did what Portal 1 did but had more! Cross-platform co-op, level editor, different and more complex puzzles and was the most funniest game I've played in a long time. It's Valve after all you should really try it.

Still for me Witcher 2 is MY GOTY. Skyrim second since it's actually a Bethesda game I like and Deus Ex is third because the ending was....rushed.
 

Zeus_Deus wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Bethesda, let me point you to the highest rated RPG game of all time. Mass Effect 2.

OH
WHAT'S THAT!? The next three highest rated RPG games are also made by
Bioware? Bualders Gate, Baulders Gate 2 and Jade Empire? Well now,
there's something!

Bethesda 1 - Bioware 4

FAIL - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated RPG of all time.

But Zelda isn't an rpg your not roleplaying Link you do what your told with out little thought.

Meris wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I'm the Weirdo who thinks:

Heroes of Might & Magic IV > V > III
and
Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind

You think that's weird?

I don't think Witcher is an RPG.

I don't think DA2 is an rpg.

Modifié par Ringo12, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Russalka]

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

[xkg]

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

Certainly not. The sole fact that it get nominated proves that.

I don't thaink it deserved any nomination in any category but I am glad it did.
And I want it to be nominated for every single Goty/RPG award this year.
The more nominations == the more fail, no matter what other games it is going to compete with.

Two nominations and two fails already.

[Nameless one7]

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

[Chromie]

Nameless one7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

And the biodrones believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 being the best thing thing since fire.

[Russalka]

I mean, as much as I dislike The Witcher series, it being snubbed seemed rather annoying even to myself. But Dragon Age 2, with its horrible flaws and some pretty great additions still wasn't THAT bad to not get at least some nominations. What I miss in Skyrim, for example, Dragon Age 2 had in surplus - proper character interaction.

[Russalka]

Ringo12 wrote...

Nameless one7 wrote...

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

And the biodrones believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 being the best thing thing since fire.

Hello, Pot and Kettle.

[Nameless one7]

Ringo12 wrote...

Nameless one7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

And the biodrones believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 being the best thing thing since fire.

I don't think anyone thinks Dragon Age 2 is without flaws, I just think it's a good not great game.  On a side note, I still like Dragon Age 2 more than I like Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 2 is overrated.

[Meris]

Russalka wrote...

I mean, as much as I dislike The Witcher series, it being snubbed seemed rather annoying even to myself. But Dragon Age 2, with its horrible flaws and some pretty great additions still wasn't THAT bad to not get at least some nominations. What I miss in Skyrim, for example, Dragon Age 2 had in surplus - proper character interaction.

Yes, but a wise man once said that BioWare doesn't score points for good writing anymore.  Since people already expect the spoils of a robust writting team (or rather a developer who actually treats writting as a core part of development), they gloss over the game's strenghts while focusing on the problems, the symptoms of the rushed development cycle.

Personally, I feel that the RPG genre is a conglomerate of what should be considered different genres. JRPGs and Dungeon Crawlers should be their own, distanced from actual roleplaying, like in the Elder Scrolls and Dragon Age.

That considered, I don't think either Dark Souls and the Witcher deserve a nomination. If Hawke is a pre-defined character that you can shape, Geralt is a character of its own (from what I've seen in Witcher 1) and Dark Souls even calls itself a Dungeon Crawler.

[kofelover]

DAII didn't win any awards because it didn't deserve any -- it's the only Bioware game (and I have them all) that I did not finish. I made it to the end of Chapter 1 and uninstalled it -- it was a huge disappoint on every level.

[wolfsite]

Ringo12 wrote...

Nameless one7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

And the biodrones believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 being the best thing thing since fire.

Dragon Age 2 is a good game..... it's not a great game but it hardly deserves the bashing it consistently gets.

To be honest I did think it was better than Dragon Age: Origins but that is more to the fact that I ran into a lot of combat bugs in DAO that were never addressed that really made it hard to enjoy the game properly.  I'll not bother leaving a list but if you wish one I can supply it.

May main problems with DA2 had more to do with constant repitition of dungeon maps (That is a huge factor in these games since one thing I like to do is explore and find new areas, hard to do that when the dungeons are the same) and less control over elements in the story compated to other Bioware games but that is more or less it.  I did like the base story (nice to be doing something different than lets save the world) and the characters were well written.

Modifié par wolfsite, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[xkg]

Meris wrote...

Russalka wrote...

I mean, as much as I dislike The Witcher series, it being snubbed seemed rather annoying even to myself. But Dragon Age 2, with its horrible flaws and some pretty great additions still wasn't THAT bad to not get at least some nominations. What I miss in Skyrim, for example, Dragon Age 2 had in surplus - proper character interaction.

Yes, but a wise man once said that BioWare doesn't score points for good writing anymore.  Since people already expect the spoils of a robust writting team (or rather a developer who actually treats writting as a core part of development), they gloss over the game's strenghts while focusing on the problems, the symptoms of the rushed development cycle.

Personally, I feel that the RPG genre is a conglomerate of what should be considered different genres. JRPGs and Dungeon Crawlers should be their own, distanced from actual roleplaying, like in the Elder Scrolls and Dragon Age.

That considered, I don't think either Dark Souls and the Witcher deserve a nomination. If Hawke is a pre-defined character that you can shape, Geralt is a character of its own (from what I've seen in Witcher 1) and Dark Souls even calls itself a Dungeon Crawler.

Heh, looks like you don't know much about the RPG huh ?

Most of the early PnP RPGs (especially settings/adventures for them) were basically dungeon crawlers.
The same goes for early cRPGs - like for example "The Bard's Tale " and "Eye of the beholder".

Modifié par xkg, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Meris]

xkg wrote...

Meris wrote...

Russalka wrote...

I mean, as much as I dislike The Witcher series, it being snubbed seemed rather annoying even to myself. But Dragon Age 2, with its horrible flaws and some pretty great additions still wasn't THAT bad to not get at least some nominations. What I miss in Skyrim, for example, Dragon Age 2 had in surplus - proper character interaction.

Yes, but a wise man once said that BioWare doesn't score points for good writing anymore.  Since people already expect the spoils of a robust writting team (or rather a developer who actually treats writting as a core part of development), they gloss over the game's strenghts while focusing on the problems, the symptoms of the rushed development cycle.

Personally, I feel that the RPG genre is a conglomerate of what should be considered different genres. JRPGs and Dungeon Crawlers should be their own, distanced from actual roleplaying, like in the Elder Scrolls and Dragon Age.

That considered, I don't think either Dark Souls and the Witcher deserve a nomination. If Hawke is a pre-defined character that you can shape, Geralt is a character of its own (from what I've seen in Witcher 1) and Dark Souls even calls itself a Dungeon Crawler.

Heh, looks like you don't know much about the RPG huh ?

Most of the early PnP RPGs (especially settings/adventures for them) were basically dungeon crawlers.
The same goes for early cRPGs - like for example "The Bard's Tale " and "Eye of the beholder".

The amount of freedom allowed in a PnP RPG allows for roleplaying. The freedom in a CRPG Dungeon Crawler barely does, if it does.

Modifié par Meris, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[LPPrince]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

DA2 wasn't all that bad - but honestly, did anyone expect it to live up to Skyrim? That's pretty much the equivalent of a slug vs. a pile of salt.

Of course not: how could something live up to the competition if it even didn't to its own predecessor?

This, pretty much.

[Cutlass Jack]

Luc0s wrote...

And what makes you think that?

The Witcher 1 and 2 both are more RPG than DAII will ever be. Just look at the talent-trees of both games and realize that DAII's poor excuse for a talent-tree is simply laughable compared to those of The Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Um Talent trees have about zero to do with roleplaying.

[Meris]

Luc0s wrote...

Meris wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I'm the Weirdo who thinks:

Heroes of Might & Magic IV > V > III
and
Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind

You think that's weird?

I don't think Witcher is an RPG.

And what makes you think that?

The Witcher 1 and 2 both are more RPG than DAII will ever be. Just look at the talent-trees of both games and realize that DAII's poor excuse for a talent-tree is simply laughable compared to those of The Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Unlike  a PnP game where you can be very creative, and in-character, the combat of any video game RPG, be it DA:O, DA2, Witcher or whatever, has a lot of constraints. Sure, there's roleplaying to be had but it can only serve to complement the main axis of the game's roleplaying potential. With BioWare's strong writting, you shape the character through dialog. In an open sandbox like the Elder Scrolls, you shape your character through what you actually do and don't. In Witcher, Geralt is Geralt.