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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Nameless one7 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Nameless one7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

And the biodrones believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 being the best thing thing since fire.

I don't think anyone thinks Dragon Age 2 is without flaws, I just think it's a good not great game.  On a side note, I still like Dragon Age 2 more than I like Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 2 is overrated.

Mass Effect 2 has great Characters, Places, Story and epic moments. T.I.M, New Squadmates, Aria ... Omega, Asari Homeworld, Horizon, Derelict Reaper, Collector Base ... Death of squadmates. etc.

Sadly Most of these will be in vain because Bioware decided to ruin ME3.

And what is great about DA2?
Bisexual Romances! Pfft ..

[Ottemis]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Bethesda, let me point you to the highest rated RPG game of all time. Mass Effect 2.

OH WHAT'S THAT!? The next three highest rated RPG games are also made by Bioware? Bualders Gate, Baulders Gate 2 and Jade Empire? Well now, there's something!

Bethesda 1 - Bioware 4

FAIL - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated RPG of all time.

You also forgot to include DA:O, SW:KotOR and NWN - all rated higher than Jade Empire.

Skyrim has the same metascore (95) as ME2 and BG2.
Oblivion has a higher metascore (94) than SW:KotOR (93).
Fallout 3 has the same metascore (91) as BG, NWN and DA:O.
Morrowind has the same metascore (89) as ME1.

So Bethesda RPGs can certainly match Bioware in ratings.

Luckily Bioware games don't make me want to murder fluffy things.

Skyrim bugs leave you stumbling through the game, re-doing stuff half the time.
Nice idea really, but the execution is terrible. Cudos to people that are enough of a masochist to last through an entire playthrough or more, but I was literally close to pulling my hair out by the time I reached level 20.
While I can see the potential in this game, it shouldn't have gotten such a high rating at all, because the lack of polish makes it nigh unplayable in some occasions. You shouldn't HAVE to look past that.

Atleast DA2, for all it faults, didn't crap out in similar ways losing potential hours of progress causing you nothing but time and frustrating you to hell and back. You also couldn't accidently kill your companion due to horrifying AI. Minor stuff like that.

Modifié par Ottemis, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:46 .

[xkg]

Meris wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Meris wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I'm the Weirdo who thinks:

Heroes of Might & Magic IV > V > III
and
Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind

You think that's weird?

I don't think Witcher is an RPG.

And what makes you think that?

The Witcher 1 and 2 both are more RPG than DAII will ever be. Just look at the talent-trees of both games and realize that DAII's poor excuse for a talent-tree is simply laughable compared to those of The Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Unlike  a PnP game where you can be very creative, and in-character, the combat of any video game RPG, be it DA:O, DA2, Witcher or whatever, has a lot of constraints. Sure, there's roleplaying to be had but it can only serve to complement the main axis of the game's roleplaying potential. With BioWare's strong writting, you shape the character through dialog. In an open sandbox like the Elder Scrolls, you shape your character through what you actually do and don't. In Witcher, Geralt is Geralt.

RPG - "Role Playing Game" not "Role Shaping Game"

You are playing the role of Geralt. Sounds logical doesn't it ?

[Nameless one7]

Ottemis wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Bethesda, let me point you to the highest rated RPG game of all time. Mass Effect 2.

OH WHAT'S THAT!? The next three highest rated RPG games are also made by Bioware? Bualders Gate, Baulders Gate 2 and Jade Empire? Well now, there's something!

Bethesda 1 - Bioware 4

FAIL - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated RPG of all time.

You also forgot to include DA:O, SW:KotOR and NWN - all rated higher than Jade Empire.

Skyrim has the same metascore (95) as ME2 and BG2.
Oblivion has a higher metascore (94) than SW:KotOR (93).
Fallout 3 has the same metascore (91) as BG, NWN and DA:O.
Morrowind has the same metascore (89) as ME1.

So Bethesda RPGs can certainly match Bioware in ratings.

Luckily Bioware games don't make me want to murder fluffy things.

Skyrim bugs leave you stumbling through the game, re-doing stuff half the time.
Nice idea really, but the execution is terrible. Cudos to people that are enough of a masochist to last through an entire playthrough or more, but I was literally close to pulling my hair out by the time I reached level 20.
While I can see the potential in this game, it shouldn't have gotten such a high rating at all, because the lack of polish makes it nigh unplayable in some occasions. You shouldn't HAVE to look past that.

Atleast DA2, for all it faults, didn't crap out in similar ways losing potential hours of progress causing you nothing but time and frustrating you to hell and back. You also couldn't accidently kill your companion due to horrifying AI. Minor stuff like that.

Ottemis you described how I feel about Skyrim better than I can.  I've quit playing and I'm just gonna wait 6 months till they patch the crap out of Skyrim because I've gotten tired of having to redo things because bugs.  If the bugs were fixed then it would of deserved Game of the Year, but in it's current state it really doesn't.

[Meris]

xkg wrote...

Meris wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Meris wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I'm the Weirdo who thinks:

Heroes of Might & Magic IV > V > III
and
Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind

You think that's weird?

I don't think Witcher is an RPG.

And what makes you think that?

The Witcher 1 and 2 both are more RPG than DAII will ever be. Just look at the talent-trees of both games and realize that DAII's poor excuse for a talent-tree is simply laughable compared to those of The Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Unlike  a PnP game where you can be very creative, and in-character, the combat of any video game RPG, be it DA:O, DA2, Witcher or whatever, has a lot of constraints. Sure, there's roleplaying to be had but it can only serve to complement the main axis of the game's roleplaying potential. With BioWare's strong writting, you shape the character through dialog. In an open sandbox like the Elder Scrolls, you shape your character through what you actually do and don't. In Witcher, Geralt is Geralt.

RPG - "Role Playing Game" not "Role Shaping Game"

You are playing the role of Geralt. Sounds logical doesn't it ?

Unfortunately, for me, that logic doesn't work. For the same reasons I felt distanced from my Hawkes, as opposed to my Wardens and Charnames; For the same reasons I can't consider JRPGs anything short of interactive animes; I don't consider Witcher an RPG. Or rather, its too shallow of a role-playing experience for me to consider it anything other than an action game with rpg gameplay mechanics.

I like it for what it is. Just as I like (generally old) JRPGs. But I don't consider it an RPG.

Modifié par Meris, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[slimgrin]

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

I don't mind that its nominated, its one of the few major RPG's that came out this year. Not sure it deserves to win given the competition.

[Merci357]

I enjoyed DA2, I really did, despite it's rushed development and many questionable design choices. I enjoyed it so much, I got both Legacy and MotA.

However, I've also played TW2, DE:HR and Skyrim. And while I'm not that fond of TW2 (it's beautiful, but I despise Geralt, and since I'm stuck playing him, it's just not my kind of game), for me DE:HR and especially Skyrim blow DA2 out of the water. It's no competition.

[Stanley Woo]

While I enjoy most of the discussion going on in this thread--comparison of the very different presentations of games within the RPG genre--the personal attacks and swearing are not appreciated, so please cut it out. We can disagree with each other without resorting to insults and other childish behaviour.

[jerst]

I think that Skyrim deserves its win, or at least, deserves a better score than DA2.

But it's weird for me since I enjoyed DA2 better.

The thing is, I used to love the Elder Scrolls. And when Morrowind first appeared on my computer, it was a glorious day. Such a vast 3D world to explore, it was new, it was almost magic to see that mountain far away and being able to walk all the way over there. And I still had that feeling with Oblivion.
But now, it's boring, and it pains me.
Because I've heard great things about Fallout NV and Skyrim, but I can't stand to play them more than half an hour. Why do people like to walk so much in a game ? I mean, it feels like a chore.

I still love open worlds, but I can't stand them unless they are in isometric 3D. And with the time, I realise that I have more fun traveling the map in games like Fallout 1/2 and Arcanum. I don't see the appeal in those "Microsoft walking simulator 2011". Maybe it's because I'm getting "too old for this ****", or because I walk enough in my everyday life and happens to enjoy a great landscape arround me, I don't know.


But, for what I've seen in my small playthrough, I have to admit that there is much more work and depth in Skyrim, and just for that it deserve better than DA2.

[Ottemis]

jreezy wrote...

I really need to buy DA2. It can't be as bad as some people have said it to be.

It really isn't hehe, give it a whirl =)

[Chromie]

jreezy wrote...

I really need to buy DA2. It can't be as bad as some people have said it to be.

It really is I suggest waiting till you see it for $5 eventually.

[Rockworm503]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Bethesda, let me point you to the highest rated RPG game of all time. Mass Effect 2.

OH WHAT'S THAT!? The next three highest rated RPG games are also made by Bioware? Bualders Gate, Baulders Gate 2 and Jade Empire? Well now, there's something!

Bethesda 1 - Bioware 4

FAIL - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the highest rated RPG of all time.

I just don't get this.... How is Zelda an RPG?
That grates on my nerves nothing about it makes it an RPG so why call it that?

[Rockworm503]

Nameless one7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon Age 2 deserved to be nominated?

No, but the haters seem to believe they are right in their opinion of Dragon Age 2 to be the worst game to ever come out.

I believe Duke Nukem Forever or Marvel Vs Capcom 3 gets that destinction.
As much as I hate on DA2 there are always worse games.
Keep in mind I compare it to Origins which is one of my favorite games ever made.  Very hard to top that but its like the devs didn't even bother to try.

[f1r3storm]

I don't care who beats who, as long as i'm having fun with all the games i'm good.

[Meris]

For many people, that's a true "role-playing" (not "role-shaping") experience.

Pretty much.

I did say it was weird, but I only consider RPGs games that actively foster role-playing, not just action/strategy games that have RPG elements.

[Chromie]

greengoron89 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Meris wrote...

Unlike  a PnP game where you can be very creative, and in-character, the combat of any video game RPG, be it DA:O, DA2, Witcher or whatever, has a lot of constraints. Sure, there's roleplaying to be had but it can only serve to complement the main axis of the game's roleplaying potential. With BioWare's strong writting, you shape the character through dialog. In an open sandbox like the Elder Scrolls, you shape your character through what you actually do and don't. In Witcher, Geralt is Geralt.

RPG - "Role Playing Game" not "Role Shaping Game"

You are playing the role of Geralt. Sounds logical doesn't it ?

No, it doesn't. By that logic, Gears of War, Legend of Zelda, Halo, etc. are RPGs because you're playing the role of Fenix/Link/Master Chief.

I don't remember Gears of War, Legend of Zelda or Halo offering any decision making. Your given a goal and you do it with no choice in between. 

[Eternal Phoenix]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

^
Characters and dialogue.

I WANT TO BE A DWAGON.

Paraphrase FTW?

[Russalka]

jreezy wrote...

I really need to buy DA2. It can't be as bad as some people have said it to be.

If I hadn't played Dragon Age: Origins, I would have had fewer complaints. The die-hard haters and lovers are kind of over-dramatising things, in my opinion. I liked the game, but I got bored of it faster than I did with Origins. It is good for a couple of playthroughs and then coming back again one day, and I did get pulled in emotionally too. But that is all just my opinion.

Meh, now I just hope Skyrim does not bore me too soon either. I still don't feel like even going near The Witcher series.

Modifié par Russalka, 12 décembre 2011 - 07:32 .

[Luvinn]

DA2 wasn't the worst game I ever played, but definitely the biggest bust for 60 bucks that I've ever spent....in my opinion of course.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ringo12 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Meris wrote...

Unlike  a PnP game where you can be very creative, and in-character, the combat of any video game RPG, be it DA:O, DA2, Witcher or whatever, has a lot of constraints. Sure, there's roleplaying to be had but it can only serve to complement the main axis of the game's roleplaying potential. With BioWare's strong writting, you shape the character through dialog. In an open sandbox like the Elder Scrolls, you shape your character through what you actually do and don't. In Witcher, Geralt is Geralt.

RPG - "Role Playing Game" not "Role Shaping Game"

You are playing the role of Geralt. Sounds logical doesn't it ?

No, it doesn't. By that logic, Gears of War, Legend of Zelda, Halo, etc. are RPGs because you're playing the role of Fenix/Link/Master Chief.

I don't remember Gears of War, Legend of Zelda or Halo offering any decision making. Your given a goal and you do it with no choice in between.

Out of those games, Gears actually did have some basic decision making. Heck, those decisions even had immediate, tangible gameplay results, as opposed to Mass Effect's promise of it all mattering two whole games later.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 décembre 2011 - 09:56 .

[Malanek]

Have they improved the Skyrim combat system from Oblivion? I'm one of the few people who likes rpgs and shooters but hates TES games. Couldn't stand Morrowind, a friend who is a huge fan convinced me to give Oblivion a shot and that turned out to be very underwhelming as well, even though it had fixed a bunch of stuff I hated in Morrowind.

This was supposed to be an uber year for games but ME3 and Diablo3 were pushed back. My order would be TW2, Portal2, DA2.