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[Morty Smith]

Who is this morrigan person? What game was she from?

[Loc'n'lol]

Persephone wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And I tried out that Morrigan facemorph to see if it looked as bad in game, and yes, yes, it looks pretty bad- let's compare:

Those are goddam fugly. both of them.

Agreed.
Well, at least, the DA2 one gets the size of lips and eyes right, but...

[alex90c]

Persephone wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And I tried out that Morrigan facemorph to see if it looked as bad in game, and yes, yes, it looks pretty bad- let's compare:

Those are goddam fugly. both of them. *Runs away from the Morri fan crowd* Strangely enough, I prefer DAII's morph to DAO's "I'm a saucy witch who fell into a pot of lilac eye shadow and rouge.":whistle:

Not gonna lie, one time when I took a break from DA:O, when I came back to it after a few months and saw Morrigan, I actually thought I'd installed the game wrong and that her apperance had glitched 

[FaWa]

It'll take a lot more then Morrigan keep DA afloat.

[Brockololly]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...
Well, at least, the DA2 one gets the size of lips and eyes right, but...

Ah yes, "gets the size of the lips and eyes right" on an imaginary character. Cause apparently Graves' disease is the norm in DA now.


Morrigan has larger lips than norm and narrower, smaller eyes. Those are facial features she had as defining traits in DAO. The DA2 version doesn't. I'd consider that an issue in failing to translate her facial features into DA2 accurately. And if its not possible to accurately replicate her having a larger than normal lower lip or smaller, narrower eyes, then thats a fundamental issue in their new facemorph system.

[Atakuma]

Brockololly wrote...

Morrigan has larger lips than norm and narrower, smaller eyes. Those are facial features she had as defining traits in DAO. The DA2 version doesn't. I'd consider that an issue in failing to translate her facial features into DA2 accurately. And if its not possible to accurately replicate her having a larger than normal lower lip or smaller, narrower eyes, then thats a fundamental issue in their new facemorph system.

What makes you thing they were trying to replicate the original face? It could be that they decided to change her look, or maybe they were just screwing around.

Modifié par Atakuma, 11 décembre 2011 - 07:40 .

[DreamwareStudio]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And I tried out that Morrigan facemorph to see if it looked as bad in game, and yes, yes, it looks pretty bad- let's compare:

Those are goddam fugly. both of them.

Agreed.
Well, at least, the DA2 one gets the size of lips and eyes right, but...

DA:O's version is far from perfect, but actually DA 2 is the one that did not get the eyes and lips correct.  Nor did it render the proper skin tone, nor does it seem capable of subtle shading (look at the red splotches and eye makeup).  Either way, however, if Bioware/EA wants to keep the Dragon Age series relevant and competitive, there are a lot of changes that need to be made, which includes graphically in light of what has also come out this year (namely, the Witcher 2 and Skyrim).

Modifié par google_calasade, 11 décembre 2011 - 07:45 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Not sure why that facemorph gets so much attention. It never made it into the game, it's futile to presume that's what she would have looked like.

Pretty sure she'll be back and almost certain she will look completely different to that facemorph. Whether she matches the expectations of her fanbase is another question entirely of course.

[DreamwareStudio]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Not sure why that facemorph gets so much attention. It never made it into the game, it's futile to presume that's what she would have looked like.

Pretty sure she'll be back and almost certain she will look completely different to that facemorph. Whether she matches the expectations of her fanbase is another question entirely of course.

Here we're talking about it because someone suggested Morrigan could save the DA franchise.

What we're talking about from a graphics stand point alone could be applied to Alistair, Zevran, or several other characters from DA 2 actually.  The model renders resemble something from 2002/2003.  Search on Morrowind screenshots, and you'll see what I mean.  What was done with Morrowind was impressive at that time.  To see it repeated some ten years later is not.

[xkg]

Wow. She looks ugly on that above screenshot.

I have posted her screenshots from DA2 a while ago and she definitely looks better there.
Better lighting, her nose seems longer and her face/head is less rounded.

http://social.biowar...96965/3#8058706



EDIT: link fixed

Modifié par xkg, 11 décembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[King Cousland]

She'll be back, there's no doubt about that. They've even started hinting her return (showed a picture of her silhouette in front of a burning building). If she doesn't make a cameo in the final piece of DAII DLC, or the expansion (if there is one), I'd put good money on her having a role in DAIII. Remember the rumours of the dark haired sorceress who had insinuated herself into the court of the Orlesian emperor.

[King Cousland]

Regarding the above posts, she looks a little too chubby, and her nose seems somewhat upturned.

[Wulfram]

DA2 can do faces that aren't chubby without any problems. Just grab a mod that allows you to use Lady Hawke's face in the CC and you can do a fairly passable Morrigan. You can't precisely replicate the nose, but Bioware have more options available to them than just the basic CC.

[DreamwareStudio]

xkg wrote...


Wow. She looks ugly on that above screenshot.

I have posted her screenshots from DA2 a while ago and she definitely looks better there.
Better lighting, her nose seems longer and her face/head is less rounded.

http://social.biowar...96965/3#8058706



EDIT: link fixed

Definitely better lighting and shading on that one, much better than what I've seen on other DA 2 character models (including those not from Origins).  It's less cartoony though not all the way there.

Modifié par google_calasade, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:51 .

[MagmaSaiyan]

google_calasade wrote...

Cribbian wrote...



The Messiah?

What the hell...this is Morrigan in DA 2?  Seriously?  Is she in DA 2?  I've yet to play it (am now on Origins...late to the party).  Did they muck up other characters as well?  After seeing the likes of the Witcher 2 and Skyrim, even Origins which is older than either of those...that's just...well...bad across the board and almost down to Morrowind quality.

No, no, no, don't bring her back...not like this.

 

really? come on people you really think the devs would settle having Morrigan look like that? and whether you hated the way Leliana looked or not she is still better looking than this, whos to say that the creator sucked at creating Morrigan out of DA2's engine

[DreamwareStudio]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

Cribbian wrote...



The Messiah?

What the hell...this is Morrigan in DA 2?  Seriously?  Is she in DA 2?  I've yet to play it (am now on Origins...late to the party).  Did they muck up other characters as well?  After seeing the likes of the Witcher 2 and Skyrim, even Origins which is older than either of those...that's just...well...bad across the board and almost down to Morrowind quality.

No, no, no, don't bring her back...not like this.

 

really? come on people you really think the devs would settle having Morrigan look like that? and whether you hated the way Leliana looked or not she is still better looking than this, whos to say that the creator sucked at creating Morrigan out of DA2's engine

After seeing screenshots of Alistair and Zevran from DA 2, I would not have been shocked, no, if that had been the production version.

[MagmaSaiyan]

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part

[eroeru]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part

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1.) What counter-part?

2.) We're not claiming Alistair looked not perfect. We're claiming he is dreadful. And it is not for you to see from our eyes, nor judge what aesthetics people find ugly, which not. + they're objectively very little-detailed. Bioware have worked on the character models here a lot less than in DA:O, seemingly...

Modifié par eroeru, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Atakuma]

eroeru wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part

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1.) What counter-part?

2.) We're not claiming Alistair looked not perfect. We're claiming he is dreadful. And it is not for you to see from our eyes, nor judge what aesthetics people find ugly, which not. + they're objectively very little-detailed. Bioware have worked on the character models here a lot less than in DA:O, seemingly...

1.) Isabella was an NPC in Origins.

2.) No, they are not objectively less detailed, just poorly rendered.

[DreamwareStudio]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part

Alistair was horrible as is Zevran.  I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for that kind of low quality rendering in today's gaming.  I don't expect anything to be perfect, but I do expect a professional product and most of the screenshots of character models that I've seen are not at a professional grade when weighed against current standards.

As for Isabella, she wasn't a major part of DA:O, which is why we don't see the backlash regarding her character. Although I have seen complaints about her character in DA 2, they're not as loud or common.

I am astounded by Flemith's changes (is that hair or horns borrowed from a Qunari?).  I could put her appearance difference off on her being a shapechanger but lore from Morrigan's own mouth says shapechangers don't assume other human forms, so that argument is pretty much nullified.

And the Darkspawn...they now look like something out of that 80s cartoon...****, wish I could remember the name of it.

Talking about all this has uncovered what IMO was Bioware/EA's biggest fail with DA 2 and that is consistency.  There is none practically across the board.  That has lost them more fans than what they gained with DA 2 and also split their existing customer base.

Consistency is what garners increases in sales and popularity.  Look no farther than the Baldur's Gate or Witcher series for an example.  Better yet, look at the Elder Scrolls.  That is one great testament of how consistency can reap an incredible fanbase and ever-increasing sales.

Modifié par google_calasade, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[Wulfram]

This Default Lady Hawke with haircut, eye make up and eye colour and nothing else changed



Despire being Lady Hawke in a wig and contacts, it's infinitely more like Morrigan than the silly thing found in the files that people insist on obsessing over.

[Sylvianus]

google_calasade wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part

Alistair was horrible as is Zevran.  I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for that kind of low quality rendering in today's gaming.  I don't expect anything to be perfect, but I do expect a professional product and most of the screenshots of character models that I've seen are not at a professional grade when weighed against current standards.

As for Isabella, she wasn't a major part of DA:O, which is why we don't see the backlash regarding her character. Although I have seen complaints about her character in DA 2, they're not as loud or common.

I am astounded by Flemith's changes (is that hair or horns borrowed from a Qunari?).  I could put her appearance difference off on her being a shapechanger but lore from Morrigan's own mouth says shapechangers don't assume other human forms, so that argument is pretty much nullified.

And the Darkspawn...they now look like something out of that 80s cartoon...****, wish I could remember the name of it.

Talking about all this has uncovered what IMO was Bioware/EA's biggest fail with DA 2 and that is consistency.  There is none practically across the board.  That has lost them more fans than what they gained with DA 2 and also split their existing customer base.

Consistency is what garners increases in sales and popularity.  Look no farther than the Baldur's Gate or Witcher series for an example.  Better yet, look at the Elder Scrolls.  That is one great testament of how consistency can reap an incredible fanbase and ever-increasing sales.

My new friend. Well said.

And you have no idea how  the look of Flemeth is inconsistent ( not the only thing inconsistent in DA2 ). They changed her simply for design, sex appeal.

They did not care, a description that was made in the book of david gaider as a mysterious and ugly old woman. They do not care what told Morrigan and Flemeth herself about her look, how she looked in DAO.

They simply thought, a witch with breasts, it's cool. No respect for what they did with this character, for their world. I thought at first that flemeth had changed because she was younger, because she had eaten one of her daughters. Something in the lore, I don't know that explains that. No, the design was just for fun, more impressive to them. When I learned that, I was facepalmed to be honest.

Seriously, between the first Flemeth, and the second flemeth. Which one is scary? This old woman with low appearance that hides something, or the bombastic witch?

And no, so far no matter any pic about Morrigan you took from DA2, she's ugly as hell.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[MagmaSaiyan]

[quote]google_calasade wrote...

[quote]MagmaSaiyan wrote...

well Zevran you couldnt really control, considering the new elf look, though they could have done better, not that i hate it though, and Alistair isnt that bad either, yall just too picky on them looking absolutely perfect, i dont see people complaining on Isabela being completely different from her counter part[/quote]

Alistair was horrible as is Zevran.  I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for that kind of low quality rendering in today's gaming.  I don't expect anything to be perfect, but I do expect a professional product and most of the screenshots of character models that I've seen are not at a professional grade when weighed against current standards.

As for Isabella, she wasn't a major part of DA:O, which is why we don't see the backlash regarding her character. Although I have seen complaints about her character in DA 2, they're not as loud or common.[/quote]

you are just to used to seeing Alistair in Origins, and if you obviously dont like the graphics to begin with(idk you tell me) why would you like any old characters rendered in the new engine, cause with it characters are bound to change, you can still see bits of Origins in them to know who they are. Zevran wasnt a major part of DA:O either, but yet i still think he could have been better at least a look like Fenris, but i dont hate the outcome as he is. i can say i hate the way all the characters look in Skyrim. just cause the world looks great doesnt mean the people can look horrible.

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And the Darkspawn...they now look like something out of that 80s cartoon...****, wish I could remember the name of it.[/quote]
this i can agree on but i dont hate it. because im sure Bioware had yet another reason for having them that way, i dont even see a difference outside of cutscenes. not sure if you are talkin about all of them but not gonna list them all. if its Hurlocks youre talking about i believe it was HeMan?(not sure if that was 80s or not)(Skeletor)
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[quote]
Talking about all this has uncovered what IMO was Bioware/EA's biggest fail with DA 2 and that is consistency.  There is none practically across the board.  That has lost them more fans than what they gained with DA 2 and also split their existing customer base.

Consistency is what garners increases in sales and popularity.  Look no farther than the Baldur's Gate or Witcher series for an example.  Better yet, look at the Elder Scrolls.  That is one great testament of how consistency can reap an incredible fanbase and ever-increasing sales.
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oh sure Bioware probably could have stayed the same with DA but they arent panzies, not to mention Origins engine was old(graphic wise), they like to see what they can try, fail or not they grow better that way, they may loose some fans thats their fault but they also gain new players to their game

Modifié par MagmaSaiyan, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Atakuma]

Sylvianus wrote...

And no, so far no matter any pic about Morrigan you took from DA2, she's ugly as hell.

She was ugly in origins, so it's only appropriate she be ugly in DA2 as well.