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New FemShep's design, does it come with a new voice actress?

Débuté par The_11thDoctor , déc. 10 2011 12:01

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:30

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Luc0s wrote...

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I hate both voices really.
Male Shep's is too flat and nasly and FemShep always sounds either bored, or horny.

It'd be much better if they just scrapped the whole 'voiced protaganist' nonsense and just left them silent.


NO! Everything but silent protagonists!

I rather listen to Meer and Hale all day long than play another game with a silent protagonist. Silent protagonists is a thing of the past. It's outdated.

Sure, Skyrim, best game of 2011, has a silent protagonist. Fair enough. But I play that game in first-person as myself. My Skyrim character is not a person, it's an avatar. It's a representation of myself. So I can live without a voice in that game.

But Mass Effect? Shepard? No. Shepard is not an avatar. Shepard is an actual character, a person. And a person needs a voice. Without a voice, the game would feel old, outdated, empty, weird even.


OMG somebody who actually understands. Outside of Bethesda silent protagonists are indeed dead and frankly good riddance, Bioware games have never been pure immerstionfests and looking at the back of the pc's head all the time gets old. Bring on the facial expressions.

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I understand, you'd rather play as a character and occasionally guide them down a path you desire.
Me? I'd rather be free to roleplay the character as I see fit, have more dialogue options and have more resources to spend on other content.

What I ask for is not dated is not 'dated', it's a matter of preference. Would you rather play a more 'cinematic' game with a more defined protaganist or would you rather have more freedom to roleplay your own character and mold them as you see fit?

Personally in a roleplaying game I'd like to have the freedom to roleplay a variety of characters. But of course this wish will never come true as the Mass Effect series is already set as a 'cinematic' series and Bioware's other old school RPG franchise Dragon Age has been raped raw in an attempt to appeal to the COD crowd.


This discussion about roleplaying is pointless, because everyone has their own idea and definition of what "roleplaying" really is.

The term "roleplaying" is simply too vague to have a discussion about. So I'm not going into discussion with you about this. All I say is that I have a different opinion and view on roleplaying.

To me. Playing an empty shell without a voice or personality isn't roleplaying. Playing in the role of a character you can empathize with, that's roleplaying to me.

One of the best roleplaying games ever in my opinion is The Witcher because there already was a series of books about The Witcher. When I first started with The Witcher 1, I knew what witchers are and I knew who Geralt is. When I finally got to play as Geralt and be Geralt, that for me was a really fantastic experience! And the game did all the roleplaying aspects so well that I really felt like I stood in Geralt's shoes! To me, THAT is roleplaying at it's finest.

Is Geralt a character I created? No. It's a character already established in the books. But boy I never felt like I actually stood in the shoes of a character as much as in The Witcher. I really became Geralt!

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:31

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Mass Effect was always a cinematic series; a silent protagonist wouldn't fit. And if I remember correctly, it was never intended to be "pure" RPG, the devs, at the very least, never called it as much.

What happened to DA, on the other hand, was disappointing.

Indeed.
I don't expect ME to ever have a silent protaganist, it's just one of those things I'd prefer.

DA on the other hand? Well it does need a silent protaganist but I really don't care as they already destroyed that franchise.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:38

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Totally agree.

If Claudia Black voiced femshep i would never play male shep again

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:42

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Outdated? No it isn't.


Yes it is. There is no reason for a silent protagonist in modern video-games. I was dissapointed that Zelda Skyward Sword still didn't have voice-acting. Because of that the entire game feels completely outdated. I do NOT want another game with a silent protagonist (or worse, a game with no voice-acting at all, like Zelda).

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:44

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Totally agree.

If Claudia Black voiced femshep i would never play male shep again


Same here.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:45

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RamirezWolfen wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Totally agree.

If Claudia Black voiced femshep i would never play male shep again


Same here.


Same here by the way.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 12:46

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Luc0s wrote...
This discussion about roleplaying is pointless, because everyone has their own idea and definition of what "roleplaying" really is.

The term "roleplaying" is simply too vague to have a discussion about. So I'm not going into discussion with you about this. All I say is that I have a different opinion and view on roleplaying.

I think you're confusing the 'What is an RPG' debate with the 'what is roleplaying' debate.
The latter isn't really that difficult a question.

To me. Playing an empty shell without a voice or personality isn't roleplaying.

But you see the character does have a voice and the character does have a personality. It's just that YOU have to create it. 

Playing in the role of a character you can empathize with, that's roleplaying to me.

That doesn't really have anything to do with roleplaying. A player can play any game and empathise with the protaganist.
If you don't mind me saying I think what you prefer is playing as a defined character with an already set personality, voice, backstory etc and then having 'influence' over what they do. Eg, Deus Ex and Witcher.

One of the best roleplaying games ever in my opinion is The Witcher because there already was a series of books about The Witcher. When I first started with The Witcher 1, I knew what witchers are and I knew who Geralt is. When I finally got to play as Geralt and BE Geralt, that for me was a really fantastic experience! And the game did all the roleplaying aspects so well that I really felt like I stood in Geralt's shoes! To me, THAT is roleplaying at it's finest.

To me that's playing as someone elses character.
But to be honest I'd prefer that to the awkward middle that the ME series and DA2 is.

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Luc0s wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Outdated? No it isn't.


Yes it is. There is no reason for a silent protagonist in modern video-games. I was dissapointed that Zelda Skyward Sword still didn't have voice-acting. Because of that the entire game feels completely outdated. I do NOT want another game with a silent protagonist (or worse, a game with no voice-acting at all, like Zelda).

I won't go into some infinite loop going back and forth with you so let us just agree to disagree.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:06

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aj2070 wrote...

As you can see, the current voice actress is quite popular. Besides, Claudia Black is already in Mass Effect 2 (and probably 3). She voices 2 characters.

Minor correction shew voices three characters in ME2 and will be back to voice 2 of those characters in ME3.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:11

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I sure as hell hope we get a new voice actress. I can't stand Hale's femshep.


You people want to exchange the VA right in the midst (sort of) of the series? That's like Bruce Willis getting ditched for Mr.T for "Die Hard" #3 and #4 (regardless of the movie qualities that is).


Hale sucks and we're getting a new femshep anyway.

We're not getting a new femshep.  They're getting an advertising mascot, but it's unknown whether or not the default femshep appearance will remain the same as the second game; it will probably change, but it's changed from the first to the second as well.
Also, Hale is perfect in that role, a lot better than Meer who is the VA equivilant of Keanu Reeves in that role.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:13

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GodWood wrote...

I think you're confusing the 'What is an RPG' debate with the 'what is roleplaying' debate.
The latter isn't really that difficult a question.


Yes it is, as is clear and evident here in our discussion. You have a different idea on what roleplaying is than I do. That doesn't mean your idea on what "roleplaying" actually is, is any more valid than my idea.



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But you see the character does have a voice and the character does have a personality. It's just that YOU have to create it. 


Then show me the option (in Dragon Age for example) that allows me to create a voice and personality for my character.

Oh, I have to do it in my head you say? I just have to imagine all this stuff you say? Sorry, but I don't buy video-games for that. Besides, if I wanted to roleplay a serial killer and a rapist with my imagination, it would be completely pointless, because the game doesn't give any feedback to what you imagine inside your head. So it's totally void and not part of the actual game.

Now in The Witcher, in Mass Effect, and in Deus Ex, you DO get actual feedback within the game on how you play. THAT is what I like to see when I roleplay. When I make a decision to be a certain person (a jerk for example), I want the game to respond to that. Else it's completely pointless and not good roleplaying.



GodWood wrote...

That doesn't really have anything to do with roleplaying. A player can play any game and empathize with the protaganist.



You didn't read what I said. I said playing in the role of a character you can empathize with.
Roleplaying is being that character. When I play The Witcher, I feel as if I am Geralt. That's roleplaying in my opinion. 




GodWood wrote...

If you don't mind me saying I think what you prefer is playing as a defined character with an already set personality, voice, backstory etc and then having 'influence' over what they do. Eg, Deus Ex and Witcher.


What I prefer is a fleshed-out character that is given to me by the game, so I can become that character and play through the game as if I am this character myself.


I've been an actor for a couple of amateur movies. Good roleplaying is like acting in a movie. There already is a script. The character is already defined. You already know what kind of person you'll have to play. But when you do play that person, you feel as if you really are that person. That's how acting in a movie works and that's how good roleplaying in a game works.


GodWood wrote...

To me that's playing as someone elses character.
But to be honest I'd prefer that to the awkward middle that the ME series and DA2 is.


Yes, you indeed play as someone elses character. But that doesn't mean that isn't roleplaying. In my opinion, it is roleplaying, very good roleplaying even.

Edit: I do agree that Mass Effect and Dragon Age 2 are lacking when it comes to roleplaying. The game doesn't provide you with an empty shell, but neither does it provide you with a fleshed-out character. It's in the middle and I agree that this does not always work well.

Modifié par Luc0s, 11 décembre 2011 - 01:17 .

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:15

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frostajulie wrote...

wow, Hale does a masterful job portraying both renegade shep and paragon shep. Her inflections are spot on perfect amazing. Anyone else VA fem shep would be playing pretend with the character. I am at a loss when people dislike her portrayal she doesn't over sell it nor does she undersell she's just perfect what exactly is it that some people think she lacks? Theres a word for this feeling

Flabbergasted. That's it

Reminds me of the fable where the nightingale and the crow have a sing off and they ask a pig to be the judge. The pig prefers the crow. The crow gets all full of himself and the Nightingale is all like "well, look who my judge is."

Jennifer Hale is the Femshep nightingale. I luvs her soooo much,

I've never heard that one, but I'm going to QFT for the sentiment.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:16

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Replace Jennifer Hale with Claudia Black


I... wha... huh?

Oh, I see what's happened here.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:26

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No Hale's not getting replaced.

I don't even like her VA and that would ****** me off.

Also...replaying ME1 and not seeing this terribad voice acting by Meer. It's not OMG AMAZING but it's not so bad that I want to mute the game. Not seeing said great voice acting by Hale either.

I have to agree.  In ME1 the VA was nearly on the same footing, (I give Hale a C+ to Meer's C though), but ME2 Hale gets an A and Meer gets a C+.  He was never bad, just kind of bland.

If I had to put a number grade (using the US standard measurments)  ME1 Meer gets a 74 Hale gets a 78.  ME2 Meer gets a 78 Hale gets a 92.  But that's my opinion.

It seemed to me, in the first game they seemed to be trying to find Shepard as a character, whereas in the second game, Hale already had it and was running with it, whereas Meer still seemed to be searching.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:27

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Why would they change VA? But I agree with you on Claudia Black, OP. She would be perfect alternative.

Claudia Black is dreamy awesome, but because she has already played other roles in the franchise it would be impossible for her to play Shepard without a massive WTF from the community. The only person I could ever imagine doing Femshep instead of Jenny Hale is Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, but that boat has alreay sailed for so many reasons.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:53

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i think jennifer hale does a great job as femshep. and didn't they already vote on the new default femshep?

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 01:59

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I like the more mature sounding femShep that Hale brings. They started the series with her, and they should finish the series with her. She has a "business voice" of a woman in a position of authority, and who is sure of herself. That type of voice will sound "butchy" to younger males. You'll hear it when you get into the business world.

FYI Claudia Black is also 39, one year away from when major TV and movie roles start disappearing for women because marketing always wants someone in their 20s or early 30s. Over 50? Forget it unless your name is Susan Sarandon.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 02:06

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hale did an interview on you tube with some guy named max and they where talking about the default femshep and shes a red head. hale called her a pissed off ginger.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 02:12

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ali hillis is in her 40's i think and she did the voice of liara in ME1, ME2, and im hopeing for ME3. she also did lightening in FF13 and FF13-2.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 02:34

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Hale is fine as femshep, and it's a good thing that she's in ME3.

It always sucks when actors (voice or live action) get changed out in a series.

I know what you mean... like Becky on Rosane or Dirwood... I mean Darren on Bewitched... or Jenine on The Real Ghostbusters (at least they eventually explained it.)

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ali hillis is in her 40's i think and she did the voice of liara in ME1, ME2, and im hopeing for ME3. she also did lightening in FF13 and FF13-2.

She's 32 actually.

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witchee2woman wrote...

ali hillis is in her 40's i think and she did the voice of liara in ME1, ME2, and im hopeing for ME3. she also did lightening in FF13 and FF13-2.

 She will be, if IMDB is to be believed.

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 02:43

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Omair wrote...

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My answer to all these pro female Shepard threads, is please realise that this is a video game, not a reflection on feminism and women's rights. You want to talk about women's rights (which is a worthy cause in my opinion), there are plenty of organisations to do so. Bioware Social Network isn't the place for that. Female Shepard is not a feminist statement or argument. End of story.


Even if FemShep is not a feminst argument. I must say as a woman who love sci-fi stories, or just adventure/action stories overall, when I watch a movie or play most other games it is constantly stuffed down my throat how amazing men are. While women are almost always reduced to roles of love interests or helping hands. Even is women sometimes get better roles in movies today, they are rarely the ones that save the day. And it is here FemShep stands out. A woman in a role usually reserved for men, and that is extremely refreshing.


Agreed.  It's easy for some male players (not all just to be clear) to not get why many female gamers are pushing increased marketing for FemShep, because well, their gender was always in the forefront in vieo games or sci-fi.  They don't have to watch their gender portrayed as nothing better than the love interest who has to be rescued or the "badass" woman who parades around in a leather catsuit with a boob window.

FemShep was the first time I felt like I could play a female character that was on par with her male counterpart.  As for showing FemShep not helping marketing, I just want to say that I didn't buy Mass Effect because at first because I thought you could only play a guy.  Then I looked it up and found that wasn't the case and snatched that game up immediately( I'm a girl in case that wan't clear)

So for all who don't get it, FemShep's fans push hard because we want the amazing that is Female Shepard to be out there and for Fem Shep players, many of which are female, to finally be acknowledged in marketing like they never really were before. 

People annoyed with her fans, no one made you go into her threads and nobody's making you play as her.  Your hate is absolutely pointless and increased marketing for Fem Shep does not negatively affect you in any way, so perhaps you should reevalute your  anger

Oh, and I think Hale does an amazing job. I prefer her to Meer, though I think he does a good job as well. They're both good and it would be terrible if they had been replaced


"Your hate is absolutely pointless and increased marketing for Fem Shep does not negatively affect you in any way, so perhaps you should reevalute your  anger"

These are precisely the kind of comments I was referring to in my statement, and precisely what FemShep fans ignore. We are not angry at Femshep, she is not real. We are angry at the emotional reactions you superimpose on others when they are in fact coming from you.

If you want more female gamers to be targeted, ask Bioware to put Femshep in adverts in magazines, TV shows and radio programs that are popular among women. Don't put it at the Spike awards where approximately 10% of the viewers are women.

I would recommend that some of the Femshep fans take a marketing class, and then make recommendations to Bioware if they want to accomplish their goals. And this isn't a men vs women argument. In fact, I would argue that the male Femshep fans are far more annoying than the female ones.


So you'd rather watch a guy than a girl?

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Posté 11 décembre 2011 - 02:46

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worst idea ever.
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