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[RainbowPenguin]

I think the DA2 elves have an interesting look, but at least they looked elvish. The DA:O elves felt like humans with prosthetic ears on.

[Rawgrim]

Humans with pointy ears glued on, is way better than Dobby from Harry Potter.

[TEWR]

tmp7704 wrote...

All these happen either in Awakening or DA2, while i said i never got that impression about DAO elves. In other words, when you were originally playing DAO, "they're one with nature" was a rather unfounded expectation to have, imo...

(incidentally, always took the whole frolic thing as Merrill messing with people than actual fact)

I think there were more incidents that showed that the Elves were always supposed to been close to nature. The Dalish Pantheon seems to also indicate as much I think. 

We don't exactly get to see the interiors of their carts, so they may be sleeping on furs and whatnot, for all we know. And the keeper robes include fur shoulders.   And of course, they do wear leather armour; where do you think that leather comes from, if not the animals?

I assume that they buy those leather armors since I haven't seen the Elves with any sort of cattle. Would halla skin even be able to work as leather?

As for the feathered pauldrons, that's a little bit of what I want. But also there should be fur leggings and more stuff that gives off a nomadic and tribal feel to the Elves.

It would definitely help if the clans felt a bit more alive. To me, Marethari's clan in both games felt sort of still and I couldn't form a connection with my supposed "clan mates". Zathrian's clan wasn't much better in this regard.

Seeing them pray to Dalish statues would be a welcome sight, as well as chanting if they do that. Just stuff that feels more tribal and as I've said in previous posts nature-like

[addiction21]

Rawgrim wrote...

Humans with pointy ears glued on, is way better than Dobby from Harry Potter.

I dont see it...

[Rawgrim]

http://i51.photobuck...ge2/uglyelf.jpg

I do. there is a resembelance. Elves in DA2 don`t have shoes or boots either.

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I assume that they buy those leather armors since I haven't seen the Elves with any sort of cattle. Would halla skin even be able to work as leather?

Cattle is common source of leather but not the only one. Deerskin is supposedly very well suited for it, for example, and has been used by your ancestors amongst others

There's also plenty of wolves and bears in the woods, and these can probably make another good source.

As for the feathered pauldrons, that's a little bit of what I want. But also there should be fur leggings and more stuff that gives off a nomadic and tribal feel to the Elves.

I think it should be taken into account while Ferelden it's pretty cold place, you don't exactly see the elves during winter. So it's pretty normal during such time people wear more regular clothing, not furs.

Modifié par tmp7704, 11 décembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[HowlHowl]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Humans are cliche as well - can we make them with very big heads and inverted chests?

Humans in fantasy are based on actual beings. What do they call those again?

Elves aren't. And therefor cliches are less easily excused because there is no actual point of departure outside of Tolkien lore.

Fantasy is Fantasy.

If you want to limit your imagination and not include humans because they exhist somewhere simply defeats fiction.

and I'd take a nother look at elves theres a lot of variations - heck even ones that have blue fur.

I'm not saying you shouldn't mess with humans in some way, I'm just saying they aren't "cliche" in Fantasy stories because something that actually exists a certain way in reality isn't "cliche". That's like saying having round planets in your story is cliche.

[Serpieri Nei]

HowlHowl wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

HowlHowl wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Humans are cliche as well - can we make them with very big heads and inverted chests?

Humans in fantasy are based on actual beings. What do they call those again?

Elves aren't. And therefor cliches are less easily excused because there is no actual point of departure outside of Tolkien lore.

Fantasy is Fantasy.

If you want to limit your imagination and not include humans because they exhist somewhere simply defeats fiction.

and I'd take a nother look at elves theres a lot of variations - heck even ones that have blue fur.

I'm not saying you shouldn't mess with humans in some way, I'm just saying they aren't "cliche" in Fantasy stories because something that actually exists a certain way in reality isn't "cliche". That's like saying having round planets in your story is cliche.

Human's are just as cliche when it comes to fantasy - hence why people play something other then a human.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 11 décembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[TEWR]

tmp7704 wrote...

Cattle is common source of leather but not the only one. Deerskin is supposedly very well suited for it, for example, and has been used by your ancestors amongst others

There's also plenty of wolves and bears in the woods, and these can probably make another good source.

Huh... I didn't know that cattle wasn't the only way to make leather. I always assumed it was. Although now that I think about it, the Dalish leather armor said it was made of deerskin didn't it?

Well, I think that the Dalish leather should have its own distinctive look if only to say "This is how the Dalish make their leather armor".

DAO kinda did this with the female variant, but it wasn't really anything but a skimpy outfit, and despite it saying it bore designs the player couldn't see these designs.

I think it should be taken into account while Ferelden it's pretty cold place, you don't exactly see the elves during winter. So it's pretty normal during such time people wear more regular clothing, not furs.

Well Ostagar was subject to winter weather. I think that they should've worn fur year round -- though maybe not completely covered in fur, but nevertheless fur in some areas -- because I think other people commented on the cold.

Also, Soldier's Peak and the Frostback mountains have snow around them. Though that could be due to the mountain air.


EDIT: I guess all the criteria for them to look the part of nomadic tribes that are close to nature is there, but it seems like Bioware didn't really put the effort into making them fit the part in DAO.

DAII is closer to that feeling, but not close enough.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well, I think that the Dalish leather should have its own distinctive look if only to say "This is how the Dalish make their leather armor".

... It does have its own unique texture *and* there's separate heavy dalish armour also with its own texture, no?

(sure it'd be nice if it had its own mesh as well, but very little else does and for the most part is one mesh per armour class)

[addiction21]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Huh... I didn't know that cattle wasn't the only way to make leather. I always assumed it was. Although now that I think about it, the Dalish leather armor said it was made of deerskin didn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather

"leather: is a broad catergory.
"leather" armor can be made from many animals. It depends on the animal and curing procsesss.
Thats not even getting into banded or studedd varities.

On a side note. I love animals but I wash my wallet at least once a month... nothing like a real leather wallet.

[TEWR]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well, I think that the Dalish leather should have its own distinctive look if only to say "This is how the Dalish make their leather armor".

... It does have its own unique texture *and* there's separate heavy dalish armour also with its own texture, no?

I wasn't thinking about the Ancient Elven armor there. That actually kinda looks Elven in design, though.

But the actual Dalish Leather armor doesn't appear to have anything about it that says Elven. It's just a shorter version of other leather armor variants and because of that doesn't have much about it to make me feel like a nomadic tribe crafted it. No emblems, no fur, etc.



I don't know... it's hard for me to put my thoughts on this matter into words. I may need to think on this matter a little bit and see how to phrase it.

(sure it'd be nice if it had its own mesh as well, but very little else does and for the most part is one mesh per armour class)

What's the difference between texture and mesh? If there is one that is

[addiction21]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
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Take that image you posted. It is multiple layerys when redering that npc.

There is the NPC and then there is the "Mesh"
The NPC has its own shape and then there is that armor. That is the "mesh" that overlays that npcs form.
The "texture" would be the tecture of that armor and that npc.

I doubt that clears much up. I know the basics of these things. Best way I can put it is desighning these sorts of characters is making layers ontop of layers ontop of layers ontop of layers etc etc etc....


It is not just this body type will fit all armor desighns made. All the body types need to work with every armor/weapon desing that they need to use.

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What's the difference between texture and mesh? If there is one that is

The mesh is geometry (or shape) which gets "painted" with the pattern defined by texture.

For example all medium armours in DAO share single mesh -- the overall armour shape, the shoulderpads shape etc is the same. By applying different texture patterns on that shape the resulting item is made to appear either as chainmail, or scalemail, or something different, etc.

[Tom12]

Morroian wrote...

Tom12 wrote...

And making a whole race in every aspect ugly makes them also boring the dao elves had a great story i was really driven in by it and i said to my self hate humans for what they did to the elves, the city elf origin for example, in da2 they are just looking ugly and are just dumb. bioware has left nothing interesting/attractive about them. I must even say when i see like merrill or fenris, the elves deserved what humans did to them

So they deserved to be slaughtered because of their looks.

Point not getting it  i meant they deserved it because of how dumb they are in da2 . Merrill isnt certainly the brightest one, and I've never seen such a dumb elf in the previous game.And for their looks, Well, when i saw Huon the first time i was like "WTF is it?" and when i saw that it could actually speak, my reaction to it was this: 

hope the elves dont end up as the Volus/Elcor race of dragon age 

Modifié par Tom12, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I want them with long hairs - at least as long as Cate Blanchet has in LOTR.

[alex90c]

for god sake, how the hell can anyone honestly think that DA2 elf looks good ;/

[TheRealJayDee]

jon1991 wrote...
In my opinion, faces had more life to them in DA:O. They just look plastic in DA2.

/signed

[yusuf060297]

alex90c wrote...

for god sake, how the hell can anyone honestly think that DA2 elf looks good ;/

The ones that support da2 elves are imo the da2 fans that would just do everything to deffend their lovely game, or they like the idea to make elves "Distinct", though i would never say that da2 elves look in anyway "Distinct".
i would like the elves to be tolkien elves because they fit much better in the da universe imo.

@Morroian Come to think of it maybe the tevinter were afraid of the goat like people so they tried to kill it with fire! 

Modifié par yusuf060297, 11 décembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[Apathy1989]

I don't really like either elf. DAO elves just look pathetic, DA2 elves look like aliens.

Dwarves though... I think I prefer DA2s dwarves. And Qunari.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 11 décembre 2011 - 01:24 .

[Monica83]

yusuf060297 wrote...

alex90c wrote...

for god sake, how the hell can anyone honestly think that DA2 elf looks good ;/

The ones that support da2 elves are imo the da2 fans that would just do everything to deffend their lovely game, or they like the idea to make elves "Distinct", though i would never say that da2 elves look in anyway "Distinct".
i would like the elves to be tolkien elves because they fit much better in the da universe imo.

@Morroian Come to think of it maybe the tevinter were afraid of the goat like people so they tried to kill it with fire! 

I love you lol...
It's also interesting how the da2 elves defenders don't do nothing than repeat the same PR talks: now they look distinct....

I prefear a lot more DAO elves

[whykikyouwhy]

I don't find it very fair, to anyone, to lump the "defenders" of the DA2 elf design with those who would "defend" the entire game. Over the course of the past several months, I've read plenty of posts from people who may not have cared for the game, but liked how the elves looked, as well as those who loved the game but weren't fond of the elves. And, there are those who care for neither (elf design and the entire game), or simply love it all.

So perhaps we can steer clear from branding folks, or pushing them into one convenient little category. Different things appeal to different people, and that's not necessarily indicative of how they feel about the game as a whole.

[bleetman]

Monica83 wrote...

It's also interesting how the da2 elves defenders don't do nothing than repeat the same PR talks: now they look distinct....

I prefear a lot more DAO elves

No more than anyone else is repeating the same points about how they look ugly, anorexic, worse than the Witcher 2 elves/DAO elves, so on and so forth.

It's been nine months, and like a lot of other topics, this one keeps cropping up over and over. People are probably going to be making the same points each time, because their individual stance hasn't changed.

[jlb524]

Monica83 wrote...
It's also interesting how the da2 elves defenders don't do nothing than repeat the same PR talks: now they look distinct....

What's wrong with that, exactly?

Some people prefer elves that don't look like humans with pointy ears.  If you feel that way, you will probably think the DA2 elves are better (even if you believe the design can be improved upon further).