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[AlexXIV]

I think it is an action rpg if your 'player skill' is a decisive factor in combat. Like reflexes, aim, etc. Pure RPGs are more about tactics. Hence, roundbased and not realtime. Since in DA2 you can pause the game every round, actually multiple times everyone round, it is up to you if you play it as an action rpg or strategical/tactical rpg.

[Realmzmaster]

No one has a conclusive definition of what a cRPG is. The definition has changed over the years. I challenged anyone to tell me what a "pure" cRPG is and how it differs from an action-crpg. I guarantee your definition will be different from my definition. I have asked on the forum before give me the definitive definition. You will not be able to give one that satisfies everyone. Each person has a different definition. The genre is changing and will continue to evolve. Arguing about it simply leads to locked threads.

[MagmaSaiyan]

Huntress wrote...

Dalira Montanti wrote...

I think skyrim should beat da2 :/

I suppose is all about taste, skyrim I have it, and I am so bored of that game.... killed 1 dragon is that all we do? kill the dragons for? Because? why? I have Oblivion but didn't play it, is a horrible game eww.. so I have very little knowledge of that world. I know pathetic!..
I think Skyrim even though is a huge game has nothing in there  asking to be saved or for you to fight for .. is just huge space with pretty scenery but empty of  the feels of what  make you want to save it or fight for, the companion is annoying as hell, clearing her throat every 1-2 minutes dies faster that isabela without pants! even when she has the best armor and weapon from the game? yes! i had to cheat the freaking game and get the best items for that stupid companion, she still dies thought.. meh. Not sure what Skyrim is all about but i'll never going to find out and I believe that I wasted $70 dollards ( with tax) on that game.

To me both DA games are way better that skyrim will ever be but again thats  my opinion. 

so basically its really just lack of story/companion depth is that it? i mean if you put a Bioware spin onto this game it would be f-ing amazing, right? considering i havent been into the whole Elder Scrolls stuff, and some how just out of the blue this game comes to life and im in love with it, and not even played it yet. basically a game that has a massive world in which i can walk around, kill animals if i wish, and apparently have character customization is probably enough to suck me in and lots a dragon killing. even liking DA2 as much as i do, Skyrim is still the better game, since you look for depth of story and companions of course you arent gonna like it, some people wanted some other nominees as well instead of Skyrim, to each their own(sounding like a broken record^_^)

[Fallstar]

Its actually quite simple, a game where the chance of success in undertaking an action, and the degree of success you have when undertaking that action, are soley due to your character's abilities, for example having dodge %'s based on an agility attribute or w/e. A game like DA:2 where you can dodge attacks using player reflexes pushes more towards the action rpg end of the spectrum.

[ScotGaymer]

As I said an RPG is a game that attempts to give you the player as much control over your character as it possibly can; so you can role play it.

That doesnt mean it gives you ALL the control or that there are no restrictions on it so your are just being ridiculous there Mr House. There are ALWAYS going to be restrictions. Always.

[MagmaSaiyan]

Realmzmaster wrote...

No one has a conclusive definition of what a cRPG is. The definition has changed over the years. I challenged anyone to tell me what a "pure" cRPG is and how it differs from an action-crpg. I guarantee your definition will be different from my definition. I have asked on the forum before give me the definitive definition. You will not be able to give one that satisfies everyone. Each person has a different definition. The genre is changing and will continue to evolve. Arguing about it simply leads to locked threads.

well action rpgs are likely if you dont get breaks in fighting, on either side, but thats how i look at it, i doubt ive played pure Rpgs considering they are more tactical like RTS, for a long time i considered FF to be cRpgs up to like 9, FF Tatics maybe the closes one ive probably consider pure(but probably doubt it)

[Mr.House]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As I said an RPG is a game that attempts to give you the player as much control over your character as it possibly can; so you can role play it.

That doesnt mean it gives you ALL the control or that there are no restrictions on it so your are just being ridiculous there Mr House. There are ALWAYS going to be restrictions. Always.

*looks at Skyrim*
Uh huh.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:38 .

[LinksOcarina]

To be honest the whole Action RPG, JRPG, CRPG, Light RPG or what have you, mentality is kind of pointless since most of these are fabricated genres to sub-categorize the experience anyway.

What happened to just good old-role playing? Leveling up, seeing stories unfold, finding items and completing quests? Let's leave it at that.

And yes, The Witcher 2 not being nominated is a huge problem as well...

[Yrkoon]

alex90c wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

alex90c wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

http://www.spike.com...voting/best-rpg.Yeah what do you think,I think it was better than skyim, and that Dragon age 2 needs to win so vote guys

hahahahaha

If DA2 won best RPG I'd cut my bollocks off and eat them. 

I'll get you a nice rusty knife then as most stores are noe selling skyrim at HALF yes HALF PRICE so obviously its a crap game 

Skyrim is that crap it outsold DA2 in 48 hours.

It outsold DA2 in 24 hours. 

In fact, there were more pre-orders for Skyrim than total sales for DA2.

Skyrim is on its way to outselling  the last 3 Bioware titles combined

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:54 .

[Hatchetman77]

Yrkoon wrote...

PS:   Skyrim Game of the Year?  At Least.  Right now I'm debating whether or not Skyrim deserves the title of Best Game EVER.   And Dragon Age 2?  I'd rank it as the worst gaming purchase I've made since  Liesure Suit Larry 3.

WHAT!!?  Liesure Suit Larry 3 was the best game of the series!!!!  It's the third best Sierra adventure game after Space Quest 5 and Police Quest 2. 

For the record though, Heroes Quest: So you want to be a Hero was a better RPG than DA:2.  At least all my stats and info carried over into the next game properly....

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:56 .

[Atakuma]

Yrkoon wrote...
It outsold DA2 in 24 hours. 

In fact, there were more pre-orders for Skyrim than total sales for DA2.

Skyrim is on its way to outselling  the last 3 Bioware titles combined

Because, as we all know, the quality of a game is measured in sales figures.

[KennethAFTopp]

Mr.House wrote...

KennethAFTopp wrote...

Still not sure I'd call Witcher 2 an RPG

It's an action RPG.

I'd call it an Action Adventure with RPG elements, same with Deus Ex.

[LPPrince]

Atakuma wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
It outsold DA2 in 24 hours. 

In fact, there were more pre-orders for Skyrim than total sales for DA2.

Skyrim is on its way to outselling  the last 3 Bioware titles combined

Because, as we all know, the quality of a game is measured in sales figures.

Not at all, but there's a reason everyone's suddenly taken an arrow to the knee.

Skyrim is a great game, and people know it. Its blowing everything away because of that.

DA2 got completely annihilated by Skyrim for that reason. It just doesn't match up to Skyrim in the opinions of the vast majority.

[Atakuma]

LPPrince wrote...

Not at all, but there's a reason everyone's suddenly taken an arrow to the knee.

Skyrim is a great game, and people know it. Its blowing everything away because of that.

DA2 got completely annihilated by Skyrim for that reason. It just doesn't match up to Skyrim in the opinions of the vast majority.

You are still equating sales numbers with quality.

[Yrkoon]

Atakuma wrote...

You are still equating sales numbers with quality.

Contrary to what you may be trying to argue, the two  concepts aren't mutually exclusive.    Lots of exceptionally great games also sell exceptionally well.

That is the case with Skyrim.

[Atakuma]

Yrkoon wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

You are still equating sales numbers with quality.

Contrary to what you may be trying to argue, the two  concepts aren't mutually exclusive.    Lots of exceptionally great games also sell exceptionally well.

That is the case with Skyrim.

The idea that Skyrim sold well because it's great and DA2 didn't because it's awful, is what I am arguing against.

[Il Divo]

Atakuma wrote...


The idea that Skyrim sold well because it's great and DA2 didn't because it's awful, is what I am arguing against.

There's no need; argument ad popularum was proven wrong a long time ago. Skyrim is a great game in my opinion, but not because it doubled DA2's sales numbers.

[Yrkoon]

Since "great game" IS based on subjective gamer opinion, I can't see how an argument that cites popularity can be "proven wrong".

And this isn't a philosophy or logic debate anyway. Word of mouth fuels a game's sales. So, yes, Sales IS a result of how good a game is.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[Il Divo]

Yrkoon wrote...

Since "great game" IS based on subjective gamer opinion, I can't see how an argument that cites popularity can be "proven wrong".

And this isn't a philosophy or logic debate anyway. Word of mouth fuels a game's sales. So, yes, Sales IS a result of how good a game is.

You're using arguments to make your point, are you not? Then my friend, we are currently involved in a logic debate. In which case, argument ad popularum is invalid.

Popularity and quality are not synonymous. Sales simply funds resources which allow a developer to continue making a series. It's never been an indicator of quality. Otherwise any "great game" list is going to inevitably have CoD, Super Mario, or Pokemon games at the top. Sales only indicate that people like, or are interested in a product. If your point is that sales indicates a quality product, you're going to get yourself into a whole lot of trouble regarding claims you probably wouldn't make otherwise.

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Morroian]

Yrkoon wrote...

Since "great game" IS based on subjective gamer opinion, I can't see how an argument that cites popularity can be "proven wrong".

And this isn't a philosophy or logic debate anyway. Word of mouth fuels a game's sales. So, yes, Sales IS a result of how good a game is.

There are numerous examples across all forms of art and entertainment of quality products not selling well.

[Yrkoon]

Il Divo wrote...
 Popularity and quality are not synonymous. Sales simply funds resources which allow a developer to continue making a series. It's never been an indicator of quality.   Otherwise any "great game" list is going to inevitably have CoD, Super Mario, or Pokemon games at the top. 

They almost always do.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:38 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

There are numerous examples across all forms of art and entertainment of quality products not selling well.

classic CRPG example: Planescape: Torment tanked. I doubt anyone would seriously argue that this is because it was a bad game.

Modifié par Andrastee, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[TEWR]

Yrkoon wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
 Otherwise any "great game" list is going to inevitably have CoD, Super Mario, or Pokemon games at the top. 

They inevidably do.

hey Pokemon is a great game.

[Yrkoon]

Andrastee wrote...

There are numerous examples across all forms of art and entertainment of quality products not selling well.

classic CRPG example: Planescape: Torment tanked. I doubt anyone would seriously argue that this is because it was a bad game.

While I've vehemently disagreed with such people for over a decade, there are tons upon tons of the gaming populace who thought PS:T was complete  garbage.  That they were bored to tears less than an hour in.  That the combat was crap.  That the game was ugly, etc. 

Those of us who love the game are a minority.   Rest assured.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Otherwise any "great game" list is going to inevitably have CoD, Super Mario, or Pokemon games at the top.

They inevidably do.

hey Pokemon is a great game.

 Also,  you don't have to look far to find millions of people who will tell you that  CoD is the best series of shooters  they've ever played.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Zanallen]

Mr.House wrote...

*looks at Skyrim*
Uh huh.

There are restrictions, though. Like not being able to marry any khajiit or the several races that are not options. It is about as loose as a videogame can be, but there are still restrictions.