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[Darth Death]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

His muscles are way too big.

U jelly?

Seriously, though, a variety in body types is good.

His body type is outlandish & doesn't fit in with everyone else regarding the ME universe character model. Too much shake weight, I say. 

Do yourself a favor: go outside. This might be difficult since your probably glued to your computer chair. Take a trip to a gym and guess what you'll see. A LOT of these "outlandish" body types. Yes - there are people who have muscles on top of muscles and they certaintly didn't get them by playing video games....

This comment shows how ignorant & immature you truly are. False assumptions & preconception, petty insult based on disagreement with other users, and lastly that's my OPINION. Don't like it? Deal with it. Your reply wasn't welcome & is unnecessary.  

[Nashiktal]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i just hope his personality doesnt fit the stereotype weve all already placed on him. i dont want to think at any point "i could have written this crap" when im getting to know vega. and i dont want to know what stereotypical tank guy dialogue vegas going to say before he says it. i dont mind the body type. id imagin a soldier in the year 2147 would look exactly like vega. but i just dont want to know everything about him just by looking at him.

i think in the short term hell fail because hes replaceing wrex and grunt. if vegas any less of a character we already had that was better, then hes a waste of my time.

I just hope his dialogue is better than the comic introducing him. I understand there are severe limits to what you can do with limited space but man that comic made vega seem... Unstable and derpy.

Although to be fair to him I don't find his face derpy at all.

[Yezdigerd]

MACharlie1 wrote...
There isn't any extra animation work - all animation work is done through the bones. The model we see is just a mesh that is overlayed on top of the bones. Animations are rarely ever specific to each mesh. You can use the MIranda model as Jacob so to speak.

Well I I'm not a expert, just meant that all sprites seems to be in place, I assume a Volus or Hanar squad member would have been trickier.

[AlexXIV]

He looks better than custom maleShep tbh.

[MACharlie1]

Yezdigerd wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
There isn't any extra animation work - all animation work is done through the bones. The model we see is just a mesh that is overlayed on top of the bones. Animations are rarely ever specific to each mesh. You can use the MIranda model as Jacob so to speak.

Well I I'm not a expert, just meant that all sprites seems to be in place, I assume a Volus or Hanar squad member would have been trickier.

When it comes to squadmembers, Bioware makes a brand new model regardless. Legion has a brand new model (with brand new animations for his flaps) as does Samara and Grunt - despite the fact that they could have reused the ME1. Or even Tali, Garrus and Liara. Though Garrus and Liara are pretty much using the same model but they were already made as squadmates. 

Anyway, if it was a Batarian, they would have made new models for that character too. And you are correct that Hanar or Volus animations would be even more difficult. 

[Harmless Citizen]

Batarians are too damn hard to look at to be on my squad.

/shallow

[AdmiralCheez]

Nashiktal wrote...

While there is a line between laziness and necessity there is a reason for it cheeze. Time constraints, budget, character design all play into this trope.

For example lets say you give a character a very outlandish and complicated costume and hair design. That takes time and energy to create, and you have to draw that same character constantly over a long period of time (especially in animation). Making the face simple is one "shortcut" to help ease the burden on time, energy, you get the idea.

Now if I remember correctly you are an artist so you should understand this somewhat. When a manga is being made the mangaka does most of the art herself and by herself. Any assistance she recieves will usually be filling in the background, lines, and at the most extreme background characters.

Its not a simple issue.

Incorrect.  Even extremely simplified characters can be made different enough from each other that you can tell exactly who they are, and even do so within a unified style.  RE: Fullmetal Alchemist.  Also, look at how simplified the art style is for Team Fortress 2.

Complexity is not necessary for variation.  Here, I'll prove it in my own failtacular fashion:



Little variation in character design shows a lack of creativity/attention to detail, fear of "doing or it wrong," or that the artist is "stuck" on one way of doing things.

The "shortcut" is by no means evil, and it's a timesaver, but it's a lame one since you CAN achieve variety even IF your art style is minimal.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, I personally think Vega makes up for his face with his personality.

[Yezdigerd]

The space marine bro thing?

[Russalka]

I like him.

[Barhador]

I can't see what's wrong with him.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Can't see what's wrong with him either. Vega looks like a normal person in-game.


Made me LOL hard when people were posting altered pics of him to suggest ways in which he could be made "hotter". Let's give all the characters supermodel faces and sexified outfits that don't fit their role or personality if it'll score points with shallow people. Hurray. : /

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[Candidate 88766]

HowlHowl wrote...

I don't...have a problem with it. I just think it's comical and cliche.

Do you know what "appeal" means? Do you know that attempting to appeal to a demographic can happen *gasp* after the game begins? Humor me. Imagine a GOW fan who has never had any interest in Mass Effect sees the impressive GOW-esque ME3 trailers and the semblance of coherent multiplayer and decides he'll try it out. Imagine he thinks it's alright but his favorite character is Vega because Vega is a badass with a cool haircut and Kong biceps. Now imagine he likes the game more because that character is in it. Imagine that GOW fan is 50,000 GOW fans who want to play the game more.

See, I could imagine if I said he was a main marketing ploy to get GOW fans and you're still not getting this, but I didn't. I said he's there to appeal to ones that already didn't care for Mass Effect and possibly make them like it that much more.

This is the part where you don't read any of this and still claim that I think he's BioWare's advertisement ace-in-the-hole.

So what you were saying all along is that you think GoW fans will enjoy the game more because vega appeals to their, for want of a better word, demographic?

Well, yeah, okay that kinda makes sense. I maintain that not all Gears fans live up to the 'dudebro' stereotype (not a fan personally, but I know a chap who is absolutely in love with the series and he's one of the mildest people you could meet) but I see what you're saying. If you think thats the reason Bioware made Vega the way he is then I still think you're being ridiculous, but I kinda agree that GoW fans may take a liking to him.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[golak]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...



Hell, it gets even worse: we don't get a new female one this time...

Meh, we get no new romances so what does it matter.

[BatmanPWNS]

It should have been this guy instead.



He looks cool, he sounds cool (British accent FTW) and he makes the sniper look sexy.

Instead we get.............

.... this.

[Blacklash93]

I dunno... I've read the leaked script and he's pretty awesome.

[Dreadwing 67]

lol read the CoD and GoW hate from op and now want to terminate him/her/most likely it.

[Loup Blanc]

HowlHowl wrote...



At first, he just looks like a douchebag with his cool hawk and big muscles, but then I realized: James Vega is BioWare's attempt at combining what will appeal to their new players, GOW and COD-loving dudebros, and the nostalgia of a Donkey Kong Gameboy game. That's right. Vega's favorite things are Mountain Dew, Madden NFL 2185, and being shot out of a barrel into a trail of bananas.

But in seriousness, this is one of the aspects of a more realistic aesthetic approach in video games that developers should be wary of; characters being funny-looking or reminding the player of an idiot they know in real life. It's a small possibility, but it's an off-putting, if still hilarious, issue to run into. I wouldn't say any other approach fits Mass Effect more, though.

Some ugly douchy mofo.

[Ticktank]

He looks like a retarded RIO FERDINAND.

And Rio is already dumb.

[Harmless Citizen]

Not going to lie, my first thought when I saw Vega was, "So...Shepard recruited a silverback?" It's not the muscle (though it does seem excessive - bulk doesn't necessarily mean strength), but his face. Might be because it looks like a cross between a baby and some twit that was always hitting on me at my last job.

I still reserve judgement until we see him, however. He seems all right thus far.

[Chuvvy]

Oh god, I just realized he's got a neckbeard.

[Isaidlunch]

You're all crazy. He's the best looking male character in the series.

[Chuvvy]

Kazanth wrote...

You're all crazy. He's the best looking male character in the series.

Opinions.

[Isaidlunch]

Slidell505 wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

You're all crazy. He's the best looking male character in the series.

Opinions.

It's okay if you don't want to admit I'm right, you're entitled to your own incorrect opinion.