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[Deathstyk85]

its like when you buy a car, yes you paid for the car, but if you want seat covers, a dvd player, gps, mini fridge, baby seats, or a stripper pole in your car, you have to pay extra. even though you paid for the car.

you want more? you pay more. oh so simple.

[Deathstyk85]

i paid extra for the console version, because my pc hates me, and has a tendancy to be undependable when i want it to be.

and since the fan on my graphics card sounds like its going on the fritz again, i didnt want to risk an interuption to my dragon age enjoyment.

plus, i have played both, and i prefer the controls the xbox version has. i find it more engaging

but to each their own.

i also like playing on my 42inch sony

(i know you can hook a pc into a tv if you want, but thats not an option for me so just another reason my xbox is what i prefered for this game)

[Sashem]

Just remove any trace of DLC NPCs, areas and achievement slots (except for the main menu option off-course) for those who didn't buy any DLC and you'll get alot less of those thread I think.... or maybe I'm wrong, people love to complain.....

[Deathstyk85]

people just love to complain

[french lies]

Deathstyk85 wrote... its like when you buy a car, yes you paid for the car, but if you want seat covers, a dvd player, gps, mini fridge, baby seats, or a stripper pole in your car, you have to pay extra. even though you paid for the car.

you want more? you pay more. oh so simple.

Nice analogy, will be deploying this next time someone rolls around with another "EXCUSE ME SIR I VERILY PAID 60 AMERICAN DOLLARS FOR THIS HERE VIDEOGAME HOW DARE YE CHARGE ME FOR MORE" post.

[Kaosgirl]

Habelo wrote...

Hurray for all the coolass fanboys

I stopped caring about your opinion at this point.

Just so you know, for future rantings.

[Farlington]

The "Superman" random encounter gives you a precious metal that can only be crafted by the Smith in the Watchers Keep DLC. The guy that stands in the player camp selling Watchers Keep. The only way to store items is in a chest in Watchers Keep.



Just exactly how much persuasion to some of you need that this game is blatantly trying to get you to buy Watchers Keep? Isn't it rather strange that in the UK, Watchers Keep only comes with an exclusive version of the game tied to a single retailer?



As I've said before, I have no problems with optional DLC in games. I do however have problems when games come with obvious adverts or incentives to buy DLC. Apart from the bloody obvious "YOU ARE PLAYING A COMPUTER GAME" moments that wouldn't matter in a first person shooter or platform game, this is supposed to be a RPG where so much work has been put in by the game designers to create a believable world only to be ruined by the greed of the men in suits by this blatant in game advertising.



A large number of folks in this thread seem to be missing this point. Its sod all to do with moaning freetards and everything to do with yet another wrong direction Bioware has taken (like with the draconian DRM in Mass Effect) in their efforts to find new ways to generate money. They dropped the DRM because they realised it was a mistake, now they have to realise they need to drop in-game adverts for the same reason.



People do not like being forced into things. NWN2 never forced anyone to buy additional content, but people still did because the product being offered tempted them to buy. Watchers Keep is something being forced onto the customer, which is clear if you look at how its marketed in the real world (Single vendor product - who have obviously paid Bioware extra for the privilege). Of all the DLC that comes free with most versions of the game, one is partly an advert for Mass Effect 2 (Armour), two are rings that really aren't all that special, a pair of boots and Shale. All of which had you not got them with the game, you wouldn't have missed or been directed to buy within the game world.



There is a principle at stake here. Most of you are sleepwalking into this in the same way that most people sleepwalked into the draconian DRM that finaly forced the issue for most customers. If nothing is done now, the future of gaming does not look good. At least under this model. Look at the Sims3. One of the greatest features of the Sims2 and why it became so popular was the way in which Joe Blogs could add new clothes, furniture, etc. Now EA have changed the game so the only way to officially add new content is to buy from their online shop with micropayments. How much longer before the same is true with Bioware games?

[Wickedjelly]

Farlington wrote...

The "Superman" random encounter gives you a precious metal that can only be crafted by the Smith in the Watchers Keep DLC. The guy that stands in the player camp selling Watchers Keep.

Yeah, I have to admit while I'm not opposed to dlc I find both of those to be in rather poor taste.  I suppose on a good note you won't have to worry about that with any future dlc but having those in the core of the game was rather weak on their part in my opinion. 

[EvilTypeGuy]

Mayo98577 wrote...

I'm sorry bioware, I'm not going to spend $60 for a new game and then have to pay MORE to get all the in game content.

Then I'm sorry, because you will miss out on some great content.

But seriously, you'll spend around 50 hours at least playing the base campaign if you explore about 95% of the game world.

And yes, more content costs money, because making content costs money.  It isn't rocket science.

All of the content they are charging for is content that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

[Habelo]

Kaosgirl wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Hurray for all the coolass fanboys

I stopped caring about your opinion at this point.

Just so you know, for future rantings.

I started laughing at your opinion at this point.

Just so you know, for future rantings.

[flamingdts]

One thing that really pisses me off is the in-game advertisements.

There is a reason why I always prefer expansions, and it's not only because expansions are longer, and usually more well developed. You also don't get advertisements of these expansions in the game.

Dragon Age Origins could be a more respectable game had it not gone down that far in the EA path. There are signs everywhere in the game that advertises a content. You get it in your journal, codex and worse of all, in the world itself. There is a freaking guy in your camp with a giant ! which you can only get rid of if you pay 7$. I might care little less if this guy was placed in some other area, but when you place a giant advertisement in the place in the game you visit most, that really gets on my nerve.

I'm a perfectionist, I like to have all quests and side quests complete in my games, but I can only do that if I pay more than what I already did. A guy standing there who you can only get rid of if you pay additionally is exactly the same as what you get in demos or in games where you can pay to become a premium member (like the free online games you see on the internet).

I feel like I've paid the game but haven't received everything I deserve. The least bioware could do is get rid of these DLC advertisements IN-GAME. Otherwise, as more DLCs are released, you'll get a ridiculous amount of NPCs in your game with shops,quests, items, allies and features that you can only access if you pay. I paid for this game for entertainment, not advertisements. 

I can already imagine what will happen in a years time when tons of DLCs are released. You'll get random encounters where you get an item on the floor or a guy on the road. These items and people you can only access if you purchased the DLC, otherwise you'll just have to continue on and getting nothing from that random encounter. You'll get quests from your teammates concerning their personal problems, but everytime you talk to them, you can only choose the option to help them if you purchased a DLC. You'll also get special shops in different areas of the map which you can only purchase from if you have installed a DLC.

For the sake of your reputation bioware, please don't put this sort of crap in the much anticipated ME2. I want to play a game without some inaccessible feature constantly present with all the flashiness telling me to interact with it but only asking me to pay to find out more........ .

Modifié par flamingdts, 29 novembre 2009 - 03:04 .

[valis123]

DLC has to be payed cause it's not in the vanilla game, they added it and worked on it after it was released, with the exception of WK (Or was that the Golem dlc?) Be gratefull that they're still supporting the game with DLC's!

[Suspect85]

I don't mind paying for quality DLC, or even in game advertisement for that matter. In theory both should lead to increased sales and development into PC gaming (it has been lacking badly vs consoles in recent years). I just hope most companies don't go the Microsoft route - charge full price for the original product, highly priced DLC, and having to even pay a monthly fee to download patches and practically any additional content.



Ideally companies will be able to charge less for the original product, remove annoying copy protection, and release frequent patches and content if gamers actively purchase and play multiple DLC packs after the games release.

[am_victory]

micheal001 wrote...

Georg Zoeller wrote...

rest assured that that kind of approach would be ineffective

A) Because the only way to vote against DLC is not to buy it. But while enough people are buying it (aka consumer demand exists), even that doesn't really work. As long as reasonable demand for a product exists, we would be irresponsible to just ignore it.

Oh come on with it already. Its deceitful practice that Bioware makes by initializing DLC and forcing players too buy the extra content if they wish too finish a quest.  Ok course demand would be high from consumers because they have no other choice but too buy the content.
 
To take away a slice of the whole pie and make the slice extra content is decitful when chances are Bioware had a discussion over the issue and figured they could make more money then if the jacked up the box price by a few bucks.

Wouldn't be surprising as hell if Bioware does this kind of practice in there up coming mmo SWTOR mmo

Omigod....  Dude.  They aren't forcing anyone to uy anything, and of course there's a choice.  The quest is a side-quest, totally optional.  Jesus christ.  To read your post if I didn't know any better I'd think there was a vendor outside the archdemon's fight. <_<

[q0rra]

Should I take the onion dip, or the cheese one tonight? I really can't decide.

Huh, whatever.

[Monkinsane]

Is this thread still going on? **YAWN**



Time for Coffee.

[Kaosgirl]

Habelo wrote...

Kaosgirl wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Hurray for all the coolass fanboys

I stopped caring about your opinion at this point.

Just so you know, for future rantings.

I started laughing at your opinion at this point.

Just so you know, for future rantings.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  But you're not my type.

[astrallite]

Deathstyk85 wrote...

its like when you buy a car, yes you paid for the car, but if you want seat covers, a dvd player, gps, mini fridge, baby seats, or a stripper pole in your car, you have to pay extra. even though you paid for the car.
you want more? you pay more. oh so simple.

There's plenty of space to put stuff in a car, but I didn't realize the trunk was also optional.

[Wild Maiden]

astrallite wrote...

Deathstyk85 wrote...

its like when you buy a car, yes you paid for the car, but if you want seat covers, a dvd player, gps, mini fridge, baby seats, or a stripper pole in your car, you have to pay extra. even though you paid for the car.
you want more? you pay more. oh so simple.

There's plenty of space to put stuff in a car, but I didn't realize the trunk was also optional.

Hahaha.  It's more like if you buy a car and the salesman promises you all kinds of things, then after you pay for it you realize what he said you were paying for isn't actually what you got... In fact, I think comparing Bioware to a car salesman is pretty much right on the money in this case.

 "Buy this DLC and you get a new base of operations for your party!",  "Wow!  That sounds cool, I'll take it!... Hey... wait a minute... wtf?... This is just a guy standing outside with a box...".  With all the bugs, it's kind of like being sold a lemon that instantly breaks down after leaving the lot requiring work by a third party (the community modifications) or for you to wait for the "dealer" to get his act together and fix it (release a patch).

[Platex]

I really don't mind paying for good content. I like supporting developers, and I have no 'moral' objections to DLC or subscription methods for distributing games. It's all fine with me. However, after buying the Warden's Keep, I'm very disappointed. I finished it in roughly 30-45 minutes. It was, simply put, short. So was the Stone Prisoner, but that I received for free.



I would like to encourage Bioware to add more premium content, but in my opinion the current efforts do not match the quality of the rest of the game.