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[addiction21]

micheal001 wrote...

Georg Zoeller wrote...

rest assured that that kind of approach would be ineffective

A) Because the only way to vote against DLC is not to buy it. But while enough people are buying it (aka consumer demand exists), even that doesn't really work. As long as reasonable demand for a product exists, we would be irresponsible to just ignore it.

Oh come on with it already. Its deceitful practice that Bioware makes by initializing DLC and forcing players too buy the extra content if they wish too finish a quest.  Ok course demand would be high from consumers because they have no other choice but too buy the content.
 
To take away a slice of the whole pie and make the slice extra content is decitful when chances are Bioware had a discussion over the issue and figured they could make more money then if the jacked up the box price by a few bucks.

Wouldn't be surprising as hell if Bioware dies this kind of practice in there up coming mmo SWTOR mmo

1. Buy it
2. Do not buy it.

Hmmmmm... I count two options and neither involve pulling flase assumptions and arguements out of thin air trying to support your rambling and ranting.

Modifié par addiction21, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:44 .

[Merwanor]

It is very understandable that they do it like this, with the amount of pirated games these days they need another way to earn in cash, thus DLC. i for one do not mind this, as if it has a cost the company will probably make more. And so far compared to other DLC for game, the quality has been very good.

[SheffSteel]

Hmmm... I'm seeing too many people using phrases like "we have to buy DLC" or "making us pay for DLC". I think I'll add this to the list of bad arguments to use in DLC discussions (social.bioware.com/9460/blog/808/).

Comments welcome - or send me a msg

[Shadeslayer7117]

I understand this argument for certain games but for this game it's just stupid, 90% of the DLC so far is free, stone prisoner comes from a free code and theres like 20 other things from online game, and character creator, preorder, etc, and only 1 that costs extra, the grey warden DLC. I didn't buy it but I might eventually, it's only a few bucks for some good content, I think the hours of content is worth the hour of work it costs.



Plus the fact that the game came out with a user toolset for PC gamers just adds 100s of more free DLCs for a long time to come.

[izamere]

I Agree whatever happened to the days where patched contained extra content out of good will and exhuberance of the company. I was so excited about dragon age i bought the collectors edition. i paid 15$ extra and lets break it down



original game = 50$ = 50-80 hours of gameplay ONE playthrough



stone prisoner = 15$ one really lame HK-47 wanna be and i get a 30 minute quest with a puzzle woohoo.



DLC should be BETTER THAN ORIGINAL QUALITY for as much game play, meaning 15$ should be 10-17 hours worth of game play PLUS it should make have the same level of SATISFACTION as the original game IF NOT BETTER. DLC is something to BUILD off of your original content not MILK it for cash, sigh, that being said, ive told all my friends to buy the original copy



that being said i have done the only thing i could have told all 10 of my friends to buy the original copy only and then i gave them my custom armor that i made with the toolset which is better than the crappy collectors edition armor



So, bottom line is, whatever bioware says, as a consumer i can say your extra items, suck, Your DLC's lack Originality, and alos more importantly Lack entertainment. their lame and short lived. They have no Replay value and detract from your overall play experience.

As for the Blood dragon armor i had to buy them, you couldnt even add monsters for me to kill for it, juggernaught armor was lame, but it still felt like an accomplishment because i had to EARN it. Way to ruin it, i felt like i didnt even deserve the armor i bought, you guys have no concept over what it means to invest into a single player game.



A single player game is meant to challenge your control over your party and you pit your wits over the game bioware invented. i bought this game seeking a challenge, When i played BG I and fought serevok without using wand of cloudkill or summon monster that was epic, When i bought Kotor I and defeated malik without killing the jedis in stasis, that was epic. When i did mass effect and i beat the last boss while only using my FPs skills and not lift or anything on HARD, that was epic.



ADD DLC only if it can BEAT the experience of the ORIGINAL GAME you released. i expected more, as a result i told all my friends, to buy your original game and i used YOUR tool set to create armor that is better than your lousy limited edition crap, yes CRAP complete CRUD. doesnt solve any of the STAMINA issues yet it is MASSIVE ARMOR. AXE YOURSELVES Bioware.



To summarize you made 15$ off of me but i can vouch 12 of my friends did not buy your collectors edition because i made armor better than your crap and gave it to them. I MADE SURE OF IT so you lost 180$ off of my 15 and now we can make our own content. so think about it.



Giving people a customizable campaign option + making shoddy campaigns = i will make my own content now, and you can all go bankrupt for all i care im making my own crap now. give me my money back your deceptive crooks. Collectors edition makes me so pissed off now all i have to show for it is a cruddy cloth map.



/rant off

[Poubo]

i dont get why people complain about DLC, i paid £40 for my digital deluxe ( about 65$)



and i've played for around what, 100 + hours, where as people buy games like Portal, which is like what, 10 hours of a game? AT MOST and pay £20 for it (or when it came out) and called it the "best game ever"



i mean BLOODY HELL PEOPLE GET A F*CKING GRIP!

[Zenthar Aseth]

izamere wrote...
stone prisoner = free if you bought the game

/owned your rant

[SheffSteel]

izamere wrote...

... whatever happened to the days where patched contained extra content out of good will and exhuberance of the company.

Short answer - CD Projekt Red is looking for a publisher and it's not 100% certain whether The Witcher 2 will ever see the light of day

[izamere]

Oh sush, the fact of the matter is the DLC "Stone prisoner" only adds 30 minutes of gameplay for 15$ more, COMPLETE CRAP, yes, i solved the puzzle and unlocked shale in 30 minutes, no EPIC fight, NOTHING and they allowed armor to be bought off vendors instead of making me WORK for it, this to me shows that for 1/3 of the game price the DLC team is the laziest delv team ever, hope when DLC comes out, they will have to compete with the VOLUNTEER modders like myself and rest assured once we get ahold of most of the source code, we will blow these lazy bastards out of the water, custom classes, in depth dungeons, with character dialogue, you name it we will make it. and hopefully put a poker under the arses pf the DLC team at bioware and have them make something WORTH buying.

[izamere]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

izamere wrote...
stone prisoner = free if you bought the game

/owned your rant

do google find text, i never wrote that, the original game is 50$ the collectors is 65$ you do the math.

[th3warr1or]

To be honest, BioWare, I would rather pay 30bucks for an expansion(think Shivering Isles or TLAD), than to pay 400 points for 2hours each time...

[Poubo]

izamere wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

izamere wrote...
stone prisoner = free if you bought the game

/owned your rant

do google find text, i never wrote that, the original game is 50$ the collectors is 65$ you do the math.

how about you get your facts straight sparky. ALL RETAIL VERSIONS OF THE GAME HAVE IT FREE!

[micheal001]

SheffSteel wrote...

izamere wrote...

... whatever happened to the days where patched contained extra content out of good will and exhuberance of the company.

Short answer - CD Projekt Red is looking for a publisher and it's not 100% certain whether The Witcher 2 will ever see the light of day

The witcher was an awesome rpg game reminded me of the old Bioware days with NWN you could feel the storyline and the work that was put into it. I hope they find a publisher for it ..publishers may want more then there share of $$$$ tho.

[th3warr1or]

Poubo wrote...

izamere wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

izamere wrote...
stone prisoner = free if you bought the game

/owned your rant

do google find text, i never wrote that, the original game is 50$ the collectors is 65$ you do the math.

how about you get your facts straight sparky. ALL RETAIL VERSIONS OF THE GAME HAVE IT FREE!

/Owned your comeback.

Wait, there wasn't even one!

[izamere]

the object of my posts was to make you aware of what you are paying for, and to make you conscious of how little your paying for whereas how much more they could do with your money. rour all settling for less, if you havent played
Planescape: torment
Baldures Gate 1 and 2
KOTOR 1
and mass effect
id have to say you should probably play those before running your mouth on this post. reading a forum and typing /owned without understanding the fact that im trying to bring to light that you are wasting your money is rather depressing.

Modifié par izamere, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:55 .

[Durallan]

izamere wrote...

I Agree whatever happened to the days where patched contained extra content out of good will and exhuberance of the company. I was so excited about dragon age i bought the collectors edition. i paid 15$ extra and lets break it down

original game = 50$ = 50-80 hours of gameplay ONE playthrough

etc etc etc...

... wow.
The Best DLC i've seen so far is Bethesda's Fallout 3 Dlc's and they hardly add that much game time, nor would I expect any DLC to add 10-17 hours gameplay, thats just whackadoodle. Are you living on planet Algon? I don't see how that could possibly be profitable, why would they even BOTHER? just make a frikkin expansion which did that anyway, and they charged 40 BUCKS for expansions. well 50 Australian bucks, don't know how much they charged for expansions across the pond.

Anyway, WAY TO GO BUDDY! Insult them all the way for trying to make extra coins on an already awesome game, and released one of the biggest modding toolsets I've seen, your insulting and degrading argument will really make them think about releasing another toolkit, toolkits are not a RIGHT. we are VERY fortunate when games developers release modding tools, it allows us to continue enjoying games and make our own stuff, yet you insult them for releasing it, how pathetic sir. For shame!

I really don't know what you were expecting for a game... alot more than any games company could possibly give though. Tell you what, you put some money in that mouth and make a game this awesome. Once you do you have every right to criticise Biowares DLC decisions, and I'll take back what I've said, until then, I don't want bioware to go bankrupt cause I'd like a DA2.

By the way, theres more to shale than picking it up, but this is a non spoiler form so I'm not saying anything.

Modifié par Durallan, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:04 .

[izamere]

its called simple math, seriously, if the base game costs 50$ and lasts 50 hours minimum why shouldnt 5 hours of DLC cost 5$? think about it,

50$ of the original game took into account they amount of time invested into LORE and GAME ENGINE development, right now thier riding the coat-tails of thier success and putting out inferior content per the dollar whereas my argument is that DLC should BEAT content at the volunteer level.

how is this unreasonable?

*edit* look at the Projects people have already started custom mods, PEOPLE ARE MAKING CUSTOM classES already.  quit flaming me and being a fan boy, think about what this came COULD become compared to what it currently is, expand your horizons, im serious.

Modifié par izamere, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[addiction21]

izamere wrote...

the object of my posts was to make you aware of what you are paying for, and to make you conscious of how little your paying for whereas how much more they could do with your money. rour all settling for less, if you havent played
Planescape: torment
Baldures Gate 1 and 2
KOTOR 1
and mass effect
id have to say you should probably play those before running your mouth on this post. reading a forum and typing /owned without understanding the fact that im trying to bring to light that you are wasting your money is rather depressing.

I dunno it seems to be that you were pretty unaware of what you were buying since you have done nothing but **** about it and the pricetag that was attached.  Most of your original rant anyway is about some armor you made with the toolkit.  Since all we know about it is that you made it and not if it is a totally new model or just a exsisting model with pumped up stats theres not much else to comment on about it.

Compared to those games you listed I am sure I got my moneys worth and as usual Bioware delivered a excellent product as they always have.

[Zenthar Aseth]

izamere wrote...

the object of my posts was to make you aware of what you are paying for, and to make you conscious of how little your paying for whereas how much more they could do with your money. rour all settling for less, if you havent played
Planescape: torment
Baldures Gate 1 and 2
KOTOR 1
and mass effect
id have to say you should probably play those before running your mouth on this post. reading a forum and typing /owned without understanding the fact that im trying to bring to light that you are wasting your money is rather depressing.

I've played all of those. It's rather idiotic you STILL don't understand no-one is wasting their money.

STONE PRISONER IS FREE.

[Grumpz]

I'm all for the freedom of speech and opinions, yet I just don't quite understand the bickering about DLC. The logic is simple, you don't like the content, don't buy it. (Maybe convince a few of your friends to boycott it as well) If folks want to buy it cause they really like the game why is it a problem? The arguments about whether content was pulled out of the game itself is moot to begin with. Game developers have the right to decide what they want in\\out of their game. And we as consumers have a right to decide if we want to pay for the extra content.



Just a note, I understand the nifty armours you made for your mates are from the TOOLSET that Bioware provided to you for FREE... So do the math...

[AG3]

Meh, DLC whiners who fail at basic economics.



Personally I'm all for more DLC. The game cost me €55 from Steam, and it's probably the best €55 I've spent this entire decade. I've clocked 113 hours so far in this game; undoubtedly the best single player value I've gotten out of a game in lord knows how many years, and I'm still playing it. I'm thrilled at the prospect of more content for the game instead of just having to wait for a sequel released who knows how many years from now, and I have no problems understanding that creating that extra content has expenses that needs to be recouped.



Here's hoping that the DLC provides enough funding that the next Dragon Age game becomes even better!

[SheffSteel]

izamere wrote...

the object of my posts was to make you aware of what you are paying for, and to make you conscious of how little your paying for whereas how much more they could do with your money. rour all settling for less, if you havent played
Planescape: torment
Baldures Gate 1 and 2
KOTOR 1
and mass effect
id have to say you should probably play those before running your mouth on this post. reading a forum and typing /owned without understanding the fact that im trying to bring to light that you are wasting your money is rather depressing.

/owned



The gap widens

[xcorps]

Grumpz wrote...

I'm all for the freedom of speech and opinions, yet I just don't quite understand the bickering about DLC. The logic is simple, you don't like the content, don't buy it. (Maybe convince a few of your friends to boycott it as well) If folks want to buy it cause they really like the game why is it a problem? The arguments about whether content was pulled out of the game itself is moot to begin with. Game developers have the right to decide what they want in\\\\out of their game. And we as consumers have a right to decide if we want to pay for the extra content.

Just a note, I understand the nifty armours you made for your mates are from the TOOLSET that Bioware provided to you for FREE... So do the math...

No, no, no. People are compelled to make nonsensical GIMMEH STUFFS FREE rants, then further compelled to flame and rant some more when someone makes a reasonable response.

What's a burrahobbit, and can ya eats them?

[Durallan]

izamere wrote...

its called simple math, seriously, if the base game costs 50$ and lasts 50 hours minimum why shouldnt 5 hours of DLC cost 5$? think about it,

50$ of the original game took into account they amount of time invested into LORE and GAME ENGINE development, right now thier riding the coat-tails of thier success and putting out inferior content per the dollar whereas my argument is that DLC should BEAT content at the volunteer level.

how is this unreasonable?

Echo-gnomics isn't simple maths, its very complicated, I see and I thought that way about well hows about I gets more stuffs for practically nothings.

Point 1. The Original game is massive, it took years to make! It involves hundreds of different people, and has tons of different paths to take.
Oblivion had 1 way the game ended as far as I'm aware, that was with you finishing of that big demon dude.
Fallout 3 had more than one way the game ended.
Dragon Age has many many different ways the game ends depending on who you are! Who you were in oblivion didn't really affect how you were treated by people in the game.

Anyway the other point about bethesdas games was the awesome engine that allowed you to snap large dungeons together from basically a lego set. As far as I can tell most of the places in Dragon age are original so aloooot of work went into dragon age, like the documentary said some places took months to make.

Now lets stack it up this way, you want new original areas, that would take alot of time to make and money, and 10-17 hours of gameplay for 5 bucks. They are not going to be able to do that without sacrificing alot of originality, so like Oblivion and Fallout, your still running through the same dungeon pieces for a longer amout of time. Woopee. I don't like DLC's myself but I wouldn't stop Bioware from making extra money if people want to buy them. If I see something I like I'd buy it too, you don't have to buy all the DLC's. I just really don't see how 17 hours of gameplay for 5 dollars would be viable for any company. especially if you want voice acting included!

You have every right to say you don't want to buy any of their DLC's and that you now want to go make more awesome mods, then go do so and show us your awesome mods so we can play them, but wishing Bioware bankrupt for some stupid DLC's is beneath contempt. Have fun playing the game.

edit: if pointing out commonsense is fanboyism then fine, you can hang the fanboi tag on me, however I'd say that people just call other people fanbois when they've lost the argument.

Georg Zoeller wrote...

Then don't. Nobody forces you to buy the additional content.

Toronto 13, as the famous Khamal says, Why are people so unkind!

Modifié par Durallan, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:36 .

[toronto13]

izamere wrote...

To summarize you made 15$ off of me but i can vouch 12 of my friends did not buy your collectors edition because i made armor better than your crap and gave it to them. I MADE SURE OF IT so you lost 180$ off of my 15 and now we can make our own content. so think about it.

Giving people a customizable campaign option + making shoddy campaigns = i will make my own content now, and you can all go bankrupt for all i care im making my own crap now. give me my money back your deceptive crooks. Collectors edition makes me so pissed off now all i have to show for it is a cruddy cloth map.

/rant off

LOL.............I am speechless,first they give you tool kit so that you can make your own content in which you are enjoying, judging by your post and then you want your money back and call them crooks,how was that song?Something's wrong with the world today.