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How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.


Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

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According to the script, the choices don't matter because they all lead to the same outcome. You keep claiming you read the script, but comments like this lead me to believe otherwise. If you read the script, you would know that the choices didn't matter, at least in that version. I'd like to hope they wouldn't take the easy route and give excuses to why everything gets the same outcome regardless of the choice.


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PoliteAssasin wrote...

According to the script, the choices don't matter because they all lead to the same outcome. You keep claiming you read the script, but comments like this lead me to believe otherwise. If you read the script, you would know that the choices didn't matter, at least in that version. I'd like to hope they wouldn't take the easy route and give excuses to why everything gets the same outcome regardless of the choice.


-Polite


Everything gets the same outcome? Yeah, right.

I've seen situations in the krogan/turian conflict where a certain squadmate can either die or live, depending on what you have done before that.

Same thing in the situation with the asari, the quarians and the geth and several other conflicts.

I think you've just read the early version of the script instead of the one that was released later. I recommend that you go and read the whole script first before throwing these cheap accusations at me which I can't respond to without getting into spoiler territory.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Now that you all know the video was indeed the Tuchanka Reaper vs. thresher maw fight I have a question.

Many of you seemed to know that we were making such a video or one was on the way. I didn't knwo you knew this. Can anyone tell me where they learned about it? Was it someone on Twitter or in an interview or something?


It was shown to the press at Comic Con, as far as I recall. They mentioned it on several sites (I think I read it at gameinformer)

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Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.


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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.

-Polite


I urge you to actually read the whole script and piece together the parts before throwing these childish accusations at me as well.

Good day.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.


-Polite


There are a lot of people who would disagree with you to be honest. I don't know how in the hell can that script can be so confusing.

I didn't read it since I am rather confident that it the game will be great anyway. Its not like ME1 gave us an insane amount of choices anyway.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.


-Polite


He has.  I've had discussions with him where he obviously knows what's up in the leak, I've read the leak, and I can actually see your point of view, but disagree with it.  Even if you are doing essentially the same thing, the situation is very different in those two scenarios.

Additionally, anyone claiming to know what the whole game is going to be like thematically just by reading an outdated, incomplete subtitle file is really stretching it.  We can have an idea where things are headed, but saying you know the game is linear or knowing that the game is not linear is kind of impossible at this point.

You can have an idea that things might be headed in that direction, but I don't think anyone but Bioware can difinitively know.

Further, I have painstakingly read the whole script, took me a few days doing it at home and at work, and yes there are moments where it is Wreav or Wrex, but saying those situations are somehow the same outcome is disingenuine at its best.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 12 décembre 2011 - 10:58 .


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sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.


Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.


We saw a 30 second battle without the outcome, how could you know that the thresher maw will beat a reaper? take on a reaper =/= killing one. Also, you're expecting magic missiles from it's back? It's a ****ing robot spider and I don't think it has the agility to catch up to that mother of a thresher maw on its element. 

As for the bolded part, you don't know much about indoctrination do you? 

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I know plenty about it, and its obviously not instantaneous. If you think a thresher maw has any chance against a Reaper, I'd waste my time in argumentation with you.

Hint: Thresher maws exist because the Reapers allow them to exist. Enough said.

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Eh, complete indoctrination usually takes days and we don't know how long that Reaper has been there or how powerful that kind of Reaper's indoctrination fields are.

Not to mention that the Reaper isn't protected by its powerful shields when the thresher maw attacks.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 12 décembre 2011 - 11:57 .


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God, you people are no fun.

Also, it was a giant Thresher Maw (the fabled "big one" from the CDN) and a small Reaper (NOT a Harby/Sov type).

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 12 décembre 2011 - 11:58 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

God, you people are no fun.


I know, right?

She just wants a few kisses. :P

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sympathyforsaren wrote...

I know plenty about it, and its obviously not instantaneous. If you think a thresher maw has any chance against a Reaper, I'd waste my time in argumentation with you.

Hint: Thresher maws exist because the Reapers allow them to exist. Enough said.


The same could be said of any animal on earth that is an apex predator, we suffer its existence, so it continues to live.  But several people each year, in each country meet a stomach that is below them on the food chain.

As an aside, is there any proof that Thresher Maws are sentient or that indoctrination works on non-sentients?

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 13 décembre 2011 - 12:01 .


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Arkitekt wrote...

Believe me, I do. And that's the unfortunate part. It's like watching a really bad accident happening in real time.


No, that's the sad part, you don't understand , you THINK you do. That's different. :)

Arkitekt wrote...
Newsflash: the only content that isn't spoilerishfic about mass effect is combat related. OMGWTFBBQ!!


That's wrong too, Bioware showed the improved combat in places we will visit in the game, they could have done that in those alpha maps without textures, you know, the ones that apeared on the last bioware pulse episode, but I know about the krogan female, the salarian planet, about a tower in tuchanka because being attacked, and that's because "I was spoiled by bioware!", yeah, that's what you people say, any other thing that's not combat is a spoiler, Newsflash: If you show combat in places that are IN the game, you are spoiling things too. Do you even think before writing?

Arkitekt wrote...

People are free to show how self-important, spoiled and "entitled to everything" they are. And I'm free to facepalm as well. People are ****ing about 1 min trailers that run on a cheesy show, as if it's the end of the world. In a sidenote, I think it's awesome we as a civilization reached this point of worrying about these ridiculous things, rather than worry about deaths, diseases and real wars. On the other hand, it's ****ing ridiculous.


You know, the people that are insulting are those who defend bioware, everyone else is expressing their opinions about the game. But hey, you asume that people don't care about those things, and as far as I remember, you don't know me, I do care about those things, but THAT'S not why I'm in this forum. Newsflash: This is Bioware's forum, so people actually come here to talk about their games. If you want to talk about deaths, diseases and real wars, feel free to make your own forum so we can talk about that there, or PM me and we can take those topics out of here.

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Armor? Hey aint' that combat related? And they did show weapon customization, didn't they? They showed powers, etc. and how do you show some "quest" that is afected by your choices without spoiling them? Do you even think before writing?


Yeahhh, armor customization affects combat, but still, I DO want to see it, and sadly we don't know how it works. About showing powers and weapon mods, they showed those things just a few seconds on each video, so THAT'S not what we asked for. We want a video showing JUST those things, really can't you just understand that?

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Wait. Wasn't the Krogan level exactly to show what happens if you let Mordin live to redo the Krogan cure? Or did you want to see every possibility that comes with the choices you make in mass effect 1 and 2 in that level? I really am at pains to understand your babbling turned into an actual trailer.

Newsflash: you don't actually have to see anything if it irritates you to this level. Hey!


Saying it in that way, it seems like a spoiler, and guess what, that info was released in combat trailers. Yeah they spoiled things there too. And no, I don't want to see every possibility, just show how a single scene changes based on our choices, and if we don't have to see anything if it irritates us, then why are you here quoting me and writing? If you don't like what you see, just ignore it. :)

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Is it so difficult to understand that ME3 only comes in March? And that you'll have plenty of time to see more well made trailers, pre-release reviews, etc before buying your copy? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.


That wasn't my point, you didn't asnwer what I wrote there, my point was that it has passed a year since bioware announced the game and they couldn't show something else than combat in all that time? It's simple, accept that not everyone likes the same things, we all want different things, you like what you saw, good for you, there is a lot of people asking for other things, things that I repeat, Bioware told that will be in the game, if those things are gonna be in the game, why they didn't show anything yet?
Besides, I already said that I like that the combat was improved, I like they improved graphics, combat, melee and the cinematic feel of the game, now I just want to see if the rest was improved too.
Is that so difficult to understand?

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DiebytheSword wrote...

As an aside, is there any proof that Thresher Maws are sentient or that indoctrination works on non-sentients?


It's classified on the wikia page as a non-sentient creature.

I'd imagine that indoctrinating such creatures would be pointless, since it'd probably just turn them into mindless husks.

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DiebytheSword wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

I know plenty about it, and its obviously not instantaneous. If you think a thresher maw has any chance against a Reaper, I'd waste my time in argumentation with you.

Hint: Thresher maws exist because the Reapers allow them to exist. Enough said.


The same could be said of any animal on earth that is an apex predator, we suffer its existence, so it continues to live.  But several people each year, in each country meet a stomach that is below them on the food chain.

As an aside, is there any proof that Thresher Maws are sentient or that indoctrination works on non-sentients?

I don't think indoctrination affects non-sentient life and I believe that maws are too stupid to understand what the Reaper is trying to make it do.
Reaper: "You will do my bidding..." *waves claw like a Jedi*
Thresher Maw: "Rarrgghhh????"
Reaper: "You will destroy Tuchanka..."
Thesher maw: "....................... DINNER!!!!" *Attacks Reaper*

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sympathyforsaren wrote...

I know plenty about it, and its obviously not instantaneous. If you think a thresher maw has any chance against a Reaper, I'd waste my time in argumentation with you.

Hint: Thresher maws exist because the Reapers allow them to exist. Enough said.


I never said that it had a chance against a Reaper, just that it is time consuming for a giant walking robot to kill because of its lack of agility.

Hint: Thresher maws exist because they're a nuisance and spread spores around the galaxy and take years for the eggs to hatch and then develop. Also, they could have evolved in this cycle.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Now that you all know the video was indeed the Tuchanka Reaper vs. thresher maw fight I have a question.

Many of you seemed to know that we were making such a video or one was on the way. I didn't knwo you knew this. Can anyone tell me where they learned about it? Was it someone on Twitter or in an interview or something?




:devil:

We learned of the Reaper V Thresher in the original GI cover story for ME3, after you said it took place in an ME3 location that was the most obvious choice since we knew what happened there, and knew that whatever the trailer covered would need to be action packed if it was to pull in any of Spike's normal audience.

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KingDan97 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now that you all know the video was indeed the Tuchanka Reaper vs. thresher maw fight I have a question.

Many of you seemed to know that we were making such a video or one was on the way. I didn't knwo you knew this. Can anyone tell me where they learned about it? Was it someone on Twitter or in an interview or something?




:devil:

We learned of the Reaper V Thresher in the original GI cover story for ME3, after you said it took place in an ME3 location that was the most obvious choice since we knew what happened there, and knew that whatever the trailer covered would need to be action packed if it was to pull in any of Spike's normal audience.

Also, if you read the article we also know how the fight turns out but I think thats it.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Kevin Martell

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1184010p1.html

Read that, and the read the leaked script. They contradict each other. Now im willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, even after the whole DA2 mess, and ME2's watered down story/rpg elements. However after epic games lied about their leaked script being changed in Gears 3, I'm not going to hold my breath entirely.

Regardless, The leaked script indicated that no matter which decision you made, it will result in the same outcome. That doesn't look good considering what they've been telling us about more diversity and stronger consequences.

Now back on topic. Let's not turn this into another discussion please. Start a new thread or pm me if you wish to discuss this further.

-Polite

Yet again, trying to stay out of the debate, but if I recall correctly the story leaks from both DA2 and GoW3 came out a month before the respecitve games were released(approximately). DA2 with the official demo and GoW3 with an unfinished build of the final game(anyone who thought that would change are just fools). I'd also heard claims that there were leaks back in the Bulletstorm beta, but as far as Google can tell that was limited to MP map lists, weapon lists and the names of the levels of the games.

In addition I believe what Epic actually claimed was that the game "Did not reflect the quality of the final product" or something more in that vein then Bioware stating explicitly that this was a rough first draft. Two very different things and Bioware also said that they were looking at the script feedback to see what they could rework that was still in there.

Again, not trying to jump into the fray, just want to display some clarity of the realism that a game would be majorly reworked a month before launch and a game that from what we know is already contradicting what has been leaked.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.


-Polite


There are a lot of people who would disagree with you to be honest. I don't know how in the hell can that script can be so confusing.

I didn't read it since I am rather confident that it the game will be great anyway. Its not like ME1 gave us an insane amount of choices anyway.

It was an awful gramatic mess that contradicted itself, I didn't read the entire thing(maybe the first hundred or so lines) but it was attrocious and barely constituted descipherable english. I'm sure that one of the writers could've parsed their way through it, it's like 2 friends who have known each other for a long time and then a third friend enters the mix and just gets lost in all their references, except over 1000 lines of it.

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LoL @ "indoctinated" thresher maws.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

LoL @ "indoctinated" thresher maws.


Imagine a reaper made out of them, how do you even digest them into grey goo anyway?

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I would laugh at the players who view the Reapers as unstoppable space gods if a glorified worm ate one.