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[CannonO]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

And people talk like me is the craaazy one. Guess there are a bunch of us who don't quite find this to be the usual Mass Effect we love.

[Kaiser Shepard]

1136342t54 wrote...

I didn't read it since I am rather confident that it the game will be great anyway. Its not like ME1 gave us an insane amount of choices anyway.

Sure, "choices", but without results and consequences those mean very little. If you can choose option A or B, and both lead to result C with the only real difference being a throwaway line or two to explain why it is the same, I could care less about the first game having "insane amount of choices".

[Ghost-621]

CannonLars wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

And people talk like me is the craaazy one. Guess there are a bunch of us who don't quite find this to be the usual Mass Effect we love.

Welcome, actual fan of Mass Effect, not of Gears Effect.

[Laser Beam]

That Thresher Maw looked like it could totally take on that small Reaper, I don't get that argument.

Awesome trailer, though.

[Icinix]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

I think the issue here isn't that the Thresher could take on a Reaper....but rather - we were able to kill one in a pop up shooting gallery in ME2.

In ME1, Thresher's were scary. You'd be bouncing along in the mako then wham - you're dead. ..if you sat still, you died. The sole survivor backstory was all about how scary they are.

If you took the cheap rubbish from ME2 about them - they'd be right back to where Thresher Maws are meant to be.

[1136342t54_]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I didn't read it since I am rather confident that it the game will be great anyway. Its not like ME1 gave us an insane amount of choices anyway.

Sure, "choices", but without results and consequences those mean very little. If you can choose option A or B, and both lead to result C with the only real difference being a throwaway line or two to explain why it is the same, I could care less about the first game having "insane amount of choices".

Sure that could happen but I've also been hearing that in ME3 we actually get some reasonable results from the choices we make. So at this point I am unlikely to trust those who read a incomplete and seemingly jumbled script on the entirety of the ME3 story.

[Killjoy Cutter]

"While everyone else is faffing around with how to control and restrict the player, Bethesda just put a @#%$king country in a box." - PCGamer, Review on Skyrim

I don't even play Skyrim, and I love this quote.

[RAF1940]

Shep still runs like a ****** though. XD


J/k

Great trailer guys.

[spirosz]

1136342t54 wrote...

Sure that could happen but I've also been hearing that in ME3 we actually get some reasonable results from the choices we make. So at this point I am unlikely to trust those who read a incomplete and seemingly jumbled script on the entirety of the ME3 story.

In regards to the leaked out of date script, it's either I told you so, or I told you so because both sides of the argument won't know till they play the game

[RAF1940]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"While everyone else is faffing around with how to control and restrict the player, Bethesda just put a @#%$king country in a box." - PCGamer, Review on Skyrim

I don't even play Skyrim, and I love this quote.

lol that quote kicks ass

[ForteSJGR]

1136342t54 wrote...

Sure that could happen but I've also been hearing that in ME3 we actually get some reasonable results from the choices we make. So at this point I am unlikely to trust those who read a incomplete and seemingly jumbled script on the entirety of the ME3 story.

Basically beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

[Savber100]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Welcome, actual fan of Mass Effect, not of Gears Effect.

So the marketing of ME3 is the equivalent of what the game is rather than it just being a ploy to attract more people to play? 

So the evolved skill trees, the greater variety of options, the higher level cap, and the weapon modfications are just nothing?

I mean, with your logic, games like DA:O should have been the worst ever due to the marketing. 

But hey... self-entitled and so-called whiny fanboys are the only ones that start to draw lines on "actual fans" and such. It's pathetic... Give me a whiny 12 yrs old COD fanboy anyday since when HE talks about "actual fans" he's just too immature to know what he's talking about. <_<

Why you guys are already taking sides on an unreleased game based on a few TRAILERS is really beyond me. 

Modifié par Savber100, 13 décembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[mauro2222]

pzvie43 wrote...

Not to interrupt all the arguing, but is that a turian fighter squadron providing air cover?

It's an army of Boba Fetts.

Yeah, I think they are turian fighters or gunships.

The ship on Hock's vault seems very similar.

Modifié par mauro2222, 13 décembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[Genshie]

DiebytheSword wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Haha again, I don't believe that you read the script. I won't participate in derailing this thread any longer. You want to discuss this, start another one, or send me a message. But I strongly urge that you seek out and read the actual leaked script so that we can both be on the same page.


-Polite

He has.  I've had discussions with him where he obviously knows what's up in the leak, I've read the leak, and I can actually see your point of view, but disagree with it.  Even if you are doing essentially the same thing, the situation is very different in those two scenarios.

Additionally, anyone claiming to know what the whole game is going to be like thematically just by reading an outdated, incomplete subtitle file is really stretching it.  We can have an idea where things are headed, but saying you know the game is linear or knowing that the game is not linear is kind of impossible at this point.

You can have an idea that things might be headed in that direction, but I don't think anyone but Bioware can difinitively know.

Further, I have painstakingly read the whole script, took me a few days doing it at home and at work, and yes there are moments where it is Wreav or Wrex, but saying those situations are somehow the same outcome is disingenuine at its best.

And I agree with this ^. I am sounding like a broken record, but I will say it again the script is not supposed to be read as a book or a play script at all also this file is only in one form of context which is plain text. NO ONE, except for Bioware, has any idea what is going to happen in the game as a whole and assuming from only text how a game before its release is going to be played out is not only ridiculous but rather dumb honestly. Polite, you have no idea how any of the parts, except for the parts already shown through demos (which can also still be changed mind you since it is only a demo),  will be played out since the only context you currently have is in plain text with no voices, no pictures, and no gameplay.

Modifié par Genshie, 13 décembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[mauro2222]

Savber100 wrote...
snip

I think they are talking about the "OMG! A REAPER!" and now the "Oh, a reaper, let's shoot the red circle in his head. *Blam* yeah its dead" dissapointment thing.

Modifié par mauro2222, 13 décembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[CannonO]

RAF1940 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"While everyone else is faffing around with how to control and restrict the player, Bethesda just put a @#%$king country in a box." - PCGamer, Review on Skyrim

I don't even play Skyrim, and I love this quote.

lol that quote kicks ass

Agreed. The sad thing is, back during ME1 release, it looked like BioWare was going to someday give us a Mass Effect that featured planets to drive across in a box. They changed their minds and went the restricted route rather than opening and improving the explorable planets.

[Kasces]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

A couple things:

1) Indoctrination takes longer than 30 seconds (lol) and are Maws even "aware" enough to be indoctrinated?

2) This Reaper's not anywhere near as powerful as the fullest sized one, that Maw has not only been hinted at but is, by all accounts, the fullest sized one, and the Maw will get pwned anyway. The Reaper was caught off guard. Tends to happen when you're only weapon is a laser and what you're trying to hit can dig underground whenever it wants.

3) There's no decharacterization of the Reapers.  They've been expanded upon, which is good. You've also just been drinking the Sovereign Kool-Aid, the Reaper who proved to be full of crap the moment he was killed. Hell, before that since he didn't just go in without any Geth if we're so insignificant. Their very reproduction depends on us. Jim Jones would be proud.

Modifié par Kasces, 13 décembre 2011 - 05:02 .

[1136342t54_]

CannonLars wrote...

Agreed. The sad thing is, back during ME1 release, it looked like BioWare was going to someday give us a Mass Effect that featured planets to drive across in a box. They changed their minds and went the restricted route rather than opening and improving the explorable planets.

I doubt Bioware was ever going to make a Skyrim for each planet to visit. Even Bethesda's Skrim was basically bigger than their usual games. Then again what they lack in story and characterization they have in exploration, size and general questing.

ME1 could have been better with the UNC planets but to expect something like Skyrim for multiple planets isn't likely to happen unless they worked on the game with EA resources and plenty of time.

[1136342t54_]

Kasces wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

A couple things:

1) Indoctrination takes longer than 30 seconds (lol) and are Maws even "aware" enough to be indoctrinated?

2) This Reaper's not anywhere near as powerful as the fullest sized one, that Maw has not only been hinted at but is, by all accounts, the fullest sized one, and the Maw will get pwned anyway. The Reaper was caught off guard. Tends to happen when you're only weapon is a laser and what you're trying to hit can dig underground whenever it wants.

3) There's no decharacterization of the Reapers.  They've been expanded upon, which is good. You've also just been drinking the Sovereign Kool-Aid, the Reaper who proved to be full of crap the moment he was killed. Hell, before that since he didn't just go in without any Geth if we're so insignificant. Their very reproduction depends on us. Jim Jones would be proud.

The Thresher Maw gets killed just so you know.

It was heavily hinted at in the Gameinformer article.

[Drone223]

Kasces wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

A couple things:

1) Indoctrination takes longer than 30 seconds (lol) and are Maws even "aware" enough to be indoctrinated?

2) This Reaper's not anywhere near as powerful as the fullest sized one, that Maw has not only been hinted at but is, by all accounts, the fullest sized one, and the Maw will get pwned anyway. The Reaper was caught off guard. Tends to happen when you're only weapon is a laser and what you're trying to hit can dig underground whenever it wants.

3) There's no decharacterization of the Reapers.  They've been expanded upon, which is good. You've also just been drinking the Sovereign Kool-Aid, the Reaper who proved to be full of crap the moment he was killed. Hell, before that since he didn't just go in without any Geth if we're so insignificant. Their very reproduction depends on us. Jim Jones would be proud.

^This pretty much

[Il Divo]

Drone223 wrote...

Kasces wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

How was this trailer amazing?

So I'm supposed to believe a Thresher Maw, which Shepherd and 2 teamates beat on foot, is tough enough to give a reaper trouble. I love Bioware, but this seems like it was done to appeal to teenagers and action junkies. Forget any logic established in your previous work, let's go for the cool visual. I'm not willing to say this is Bay Effect yet, but they have yet to show a trailer for ME3 that shows me all I loved about the first 2 Games.

Exactly. Right on the money. It's decharacterization of the Reapers. Shame on Mac Walters. Really, something I beat on foot taking on a Reaper....and not getting completely annihilated? I wonder how many fans realize, too, that the thresher maw, if it would survive, would almost certainly be Indoctrinated. Everything tossed away for super-awesome coolness! For 12 and 13 year olds.

I agree with every aspect of your post, except I believe the writing is on the wall. It appears to be a linear Bay Effect Gears of War.

That conversation with Sovereign on Virmire might as well as never happened.

A couple things:

1) Indoctrination takes longer than 30 seconds (lol) and are Maws even "aware" enough to be indoctrinated?

2) This Reaper's not anywhere near as powerful as the fullest sized one, that Maw has not only been hinted at but is, by all accounts, the fullest sized one, and the Maw will get pwned anyway. The Reaper was caught off guard. Tends to happen when you're only weapon is a laser and what you're trying to hit can dig underground whenever it wants.

3) There's no decharacterization of the Reapers.  They've been expanded upon, which is good. You've also just been drinking the Sovereign Kool-Aid, the Reaper who proved to be full of crap the moment he was killed. Hell, before that since he didn't just go in without any Geth if we're so insignificant. Their very reproduction depends on us. Jim Jones would be proud.

^This pretty much

Seconded.

[CannonO]

1136342t54 wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

Agreed. The sad thing is, back during ME1 release, it looked like BioWare was going to someday give us a Mass Effect that featured planets to drive across in a box. They changed their minds and went the restricted route rather than opening and improving the explorable planets.

I doubt Bioware was ever going to make a Skyrim for each planet to visit. Even Bethesda's Skrim was basically bigger than their usual games. Then again what they lack in story and characterization they have in exploration, size and general questing.

ME1 could have been better with the UNC planets but to expect something like Skyrim for multiple planets isn't likely to happen unless they worked on the game with EA resources and plenty of time.

I didn't say I expected Skyrim x 100. The planets are mostly uncharted worlds, with few colonies or ships to be found. It was more about the mysterious beauty, quiet expanses, and inspiring scenes that you could just stumble into. And it gave me this hope that with progress, they would get more beautiful, have more features like plants and even more animals than before, and maybe they would end up with the occasional planet with a station built on it, while many will just be amazing because you feel like the smallest thing in the universe as you stand on an open field of red sand and look up at the streaks and craters on the planet above. There was potential for the most amazing open and uncharted discovery experience in gaming. Sadly, that exploring, heroic astronaut stopped taking distress calls from any location that had an open layout without restricted pathways.

[Ghost-621]

Regardless, Reapers are supposed to be terrifying, in every sense of the word on a massive scale. That's how they were set up in ME1, and Bioware better follow up on that.

I don't want the Reaper to just kill the thresher maw, I want it to come out of the ground without a scratch.

[1136342t54_]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Regardless, Reapers are supposed to be terrifying, in every sense of the word on a massive scale. That's how they were set up in ME1, and Bioware better follow up on that.

I don't want the Reaper to just kill the thresher maw, I want it to come out of the ground without a scratch.

The Reaper didn't even get scratched really by orbital weapons fire when it was chasing shepard. It didn't get scratched when swarmed with Turian fighters. That same class Reaper didn't get scratched when the Thresher Maw was forcing its weapon down using enough power that the largest Thresher Maw in the galaxy has.

Now that is the smallest and likely weakest Reaper we have seen.

Yeah I wouldn't worry about them making Reapers weak.