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[curlzncrush]

It may just be me, but in Mark of the Assassin, did the humorous Hawke get really silly in some parts?

It seemed like in the actual game, he was usually more witty and somewhat reserved in delivering humor.

But then this one line comes along...I think it was, "I never do anything quietly.  Swords for everyone!" where he throws his arms up in the air.  I had to pause the game because I was laughing so hard.

The other line was when Hawke said something like, "Plus, I can practice my Orlesian accent." in a hilarious voice.

The instance was during Legacy where Hawke does 'Carver's jig'.  This was another point that really had me howling...it was heartwarming too, seeing my Hawke act goofier like that.

So I'm wondering, did anyone else notice this?  If so, what did you think of a more outrageously funny Hawke?

I, for one, loved it.

[curlzncrush]

Also, can you think of any other moments for a sarcastic Hawke that caught your attention in the DLC?

[TEWR]

"Tell the world that I died.... at Chateau Haine!"

and one of my personal favorites...

"Looks like the Duke.... has fallen from grace."

where I always go "YEEEAAAHHH!!!"

MotA really did highlight sarcastic Hawke.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[Ponendus]

Little bit. I agree.

[whykikyouwhy]

Well, it's already been hinting at in both DA games that the Orlesians are often mocked - be it for their love of stinky cheese, or their dramatic conversations (the du Launcet family, when handling the On the Loose quest). I think MotA, specifically, just allowed the writers the opportunity to really flex their comedic chops - being that it takes place at a chateau (ripe for the mockery!).

I thought that most of the cast was given some good lines. Though I can appreciate sarcastic Hawke's "excellent sense of dramatic timing, and good hair."

[Arthur Cousland]

I liked the "stung by a bee" line. "Tell everyone...I died at Chateau Haine!"

The scenes about Hawke's fashion distaster and Tallis drunk were also funny.

Some less "funny" but still entertaining moments:

Seneschal Bran's trans-gender elf friend.

Punching out the Duke's son for the key.

[jlb524]

Yeah, I have a hard time playing MotA without humorous Hawke.

Though, Aggressive Hawke's "Urge to kill...rising." line at the party always cracks me up.

[yusuf060297]

curlzncrush wrote...
But then this one line comes along...I think it was, "I never do anything quietly.  Swords for everyone!" where he throws his arms up in the air.  I had to pause the game because I was laughing so hard.

The other line was when Hawke said something like, "Plus, I can practice my Orlesian accent." in a hilarious voice.

The instance was during Legacy where Hawke does 'Carver's jig'.  This was another point that really had me howling...it was heartwarming too, seeing my Hawke act goofier like that.

heartwarming ? maybe to you but not to me. When i saw actually hawke making such a thing (carver's jig), i thought it was ridiculous, i dont like the sarcastic option as i see no point for it to be in a dark fantasy rpg. there must be some seriousness. I mean, even when your mother dies you can crack a joke.

Modifié par yusuf060297, 11 décembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I think sarcasm plays into a dark fantasy quite well, actually. It is, for some, a defense mechanism - a way to take some partial control over things in the world that you might not have any ability to change. So you shrug off those things that can defeat you, those horrible circumstances and the darkness in the world, by saying something snarky - by using humor to get past it.

Not all of sarcastic!Hawke's lines (and moments when they were uttered) have been well-received, and that's understandable. But I do think that having a sarcastic option was a nice element. A little comedy is always a small flickering light, even when surrounded by shadows.

[bleetman]

I'VE BEEN STUNG BY A BEE.

Doubly hilarious if you convince one of the other guards to let you in first.

Modifié par bleetman, 11 décembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Chun Hei]

The diplomatic Hawke has an easier time during the entire game of avoiding violence and looking like a likable hero but at the risk of occasionally looking like a naive idiot. The sarcastic Hawke has the best one liners and the easiest time looking cool but at the risk of occasionally looking like an inappropriate jerk in emotional situations. The tough Hawke looks serious and a seem credible at forcing opponents to back down but runs the risk of looking like an insensitive jackass. No one personality is appropriate for every scene and the game is better and has more replay value because of it.

As for the MotA DLC I do agree that it plays better with a sarcastic Hawke while I lean toward favoring the tough Hawks in Legacy.

[Giltspur]

Given what a cruddy time Hawke has generally had, sarcasm with moments of general craziness seems like a fairly healthy response.  Now if the diplomatic option occasionally had Hawke falling to the ground screaming in pain or engaging in quiet sobbing, that would be cool too.  But Bioware has forsaken us there--so there is only sarcastic Hawke.

[yusuf060297]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I think sarcasm plays into a dark fantasy quite well, actually. It is, for some, a defense mechanism - a way to take some partial control over things in the world that you might not have any ability to change. So you shrug off those things that can defeat you, those horrible circumstances and the darkness in the world, by saying something snarky - by using humor to get past it.

Not all of sarcastic!Hawke's lines (and moments when they were uttered) have been well-received, and that's understandable. But I do think that having a sarcastic option was a nice element. A little comedy is always a small flickering light, even when surrounded by shadows.

in da2 there were more jokes then sarcasm.i think it was somehow a nice gag in da2 but as da3 will future a new protagonist i wouldnt like him/her to have the same homour as hawke. So i would like him/her to have for example a
cold (morrigan like/i dont care) option or like mass effect a neutral option.

Modifié par yusuf060297, 11 décembre 2011 - 06:27 .

[jlb524]

Giltspur wrote...

Given what a cruddy time Hawke has generally had, sarcasm with moments of general craziness seems like a fairly healthy response.  Now if the diplomatic option occasionally had Hawke falling to the ground screaming in pain or engaging in quiet sobbing, that would be cool too.  But Bioware has forsaken us there--so there is only sarcastic Hawke.

Diplomatic Hawke gets no love 

[yusuf060297]

Chun Hei wrote...

The diplomatic Hawke has an easier time during the entire game of avoiding violence and looking like a likable hero but at the risk of occasionally looking like a naive idiot. The sarcastic Hawke has the best one liners and the easiest time looking cool but at the risk of occasionally looking like an inappropriate jerk in emotional situations. The tough Hawke looks serious and a seem credible at forcing opponents to back down but runs the risk of looking like an insensitive jackass. No one personality is appropriate for every scene and the game is better and has more replay value because of it. 

in my first playthrough i had a diplomatic hawke but i couldnt stand how stupid she/he could sometimes be, imo it wasnt that good because all 3 options were over the top , it would be better if they werent that much over done

[Mr.House]

Carver: Is this revenge?
Carver: You're mad at me for something, so you drag me out to "Baron Paucity de Rochfort's" grand fete?
Hawke: (Chuckles) I've been calling him "Duke Prosperity," but Paucity de Rochfort is much better.
Carver: Le Baron du Stinky-Cheese...

[Abispa]

@ yusuf060297 -- You know you have the option to pick ANY of the responses at any time, don't you? Just because you are play "diplomatic" Hawke doesn't mean that you can ONLY pick the first line on the dialog wheel. My sarcastic Hawke threatens the people who kidnapped his brother. My diplomatic Hawke doesn't tell Anders it's no big deal that he lead Hawke and his apostate sister into a Templar ambush, INSIDE THE CHANTRY. My tough Hawke doesn't have the heart to rub Merrill's face in it when the group was forced to kill her clan.

I am NOT saying DA2 and the DLCs are realistic, but even IRL, being "diplomatic," "sarcastic," or "tough" ALL the time is over the top, too.

Modifié par Abispa, 11 décembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[terilk]

Abispa wrote...

@ yusuf060297 -- You know you have the option to pick ANY of the responses at any time, don't you? Just because you are play "diplomatic" Hawke doesn't mean that you can ONLY pick the first line on the dialog wheel. My sarcastic Hawke threatens the people who kidnapped his brother. My diplomatic Hawke doesn't tell Anders it's no big deal that he lead Hawke and his apostate sister into a Templar ambush, INSIDE THE CHANTRY. My tough Hawke doesn't have the heart to rub Merrill's face in it when the group was forced to kill her clan.

I am NOT saying DA2 and the DLCs are realistic, but even IRL, being "diplomatic," "sarcastic," or "tough" ALL the time is over the top, too.

Exactly what I was getting at.

yusuf060297 wrote...

in my first playthrough i had a diplomatic hawke but i couldnt stand how stupid she/he could sometimes be, imo it wasnt that good because all 3 options were over the top , it would be better if they werent that much over done

That's fair, some of the reactions are always going to be over done.  Playing a purely sarcastic/aggressive/diplomatic Hawke can be over the top sometimes, but that's the whole point of the replay value of these games.  There are so many different ways a conversation can go as you aren't forced to pick those over-top the reactions, but as is the consensus seems to be here they sure are entertaining as hell.  And video games do fall under a certain entertainment requirement I would think.

Its not like having a personality is punishable - on the contrary its quite refreshing.  If you prefer to play neutral or boring main characters, or even unresponsive Wardens like DA:O, then that's fine too you still have fairly boring, non-confrontational dialogue options.  But remember that unlike DA:O Hawke has a voice, and a say, and a personality unlike the Warden, and that's one of the charms of this game, the same way a seeing douchey Renegade Shep footage from Mass Effect has everyone going back to replay that game every time.

Modifié par terilk, 11 décembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[Abispa]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Has anyone tried Diplomatic Hawke yet? to me even the Diplomatic version of Hawke border lines scarasum.

Oh, yeah, baby. Nothing like always choosing that first dialog wheel option and watching Hawke do his/her best Merrill immitation. I HAVE hean canon that play-through as the ultimate in sarcastic Hawke.

[jlb524]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Has anyone tried Diplomatic Hawke yet? to me even the Diplomatic version of Hawke border lines scarasum

It does...it might even be better as it's more subtle XD

Edit:  basically what Abispa said.

Modifié par jlb524, 11 décembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[The Baconer]

yusuf060297 wrote...
in da2 there were more jokes then sarcasm.i think it was somehow a nice gag in da2 but as da3 will future a new protagonist i wouldnt like him/her to have the same homour as hawke. So i would like him/her to have for example a
cold (morrigan like/i dont care) option or like mass effect a neutral option.

I agree.

Also, we need more armor sets with black leather. And zippers.

[yusuf060297]

terilk wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ yusuf060297 -- You know you have the option to pick ANY of the responses at any time, don't you? Just because you are play "diplomatic" Hawke doesn't mean that you can ONLY pick the first line on the dialog wheel. My sarcastic Hawke threatens the people who kidnapped his brother. My diplomatic Hawke doesn't tell Anders it's no big deal that he lead Hawke and his apostate sister into a Templar ambush, INSIDE THE CHANTRY. My tough Hawke doesn't have the heart to rub Merrill's face in it when the group was forced to kill her clan.

I am NOT saying DA2 and the DLCs are realistic, but even IRL, being "diplomatic," "sarcastic," or "tough" ALL the time is over the top, too.

Exactly what I was getting at.

yusuf060297 wrote...

in my first playthrough i had a diplomatic hawke but i couldnt stand how stupid she/he could sometimes be, imo it wasnt that good because all 3 options were over the top , it would be better if they werent that much over done

That's fair, some of the reactions are always going to be over done.  Playing a purely sarcastic/aggressive/diplomatic Hawke can be over the top sometimes, but that's the whole point of the replay value of these games.  There are so many different ways a conversation can go as you aren't forced to pick those over-top the reactions, but as is the consensus seems to be here they sure are entertaining as hell.  And video games do fall under a certain entertainment requirement I would think.

Its not like having a personality is punishable - on the contrary its quite refreshing.  If you prefer to play neutral or boring main characters, or even unresponsive Wardens like DA:O, then that's fine too you still have fairly boring, non-confrontational dialogue options.  But remember that unlike DA:O Hawke has a voice, and a say, and a personality unlike the Warden, and that's one of the charms of this game, the same way a seeing douchey Renegade Shep footage from Mass Effect has everyone going back to replay that game every time.

I didnt said that i was picking just all the same choices all over again i meant that diplomatic choices could be as silly as the other choices, sarcasm and aggresive choices.
@the baconer
zippers?... .., Really? 

[Apathy1989]

 lol the DLC is awesome for laughs. All the characters seem to be more silly than before.

Favourite line atm:
Tallis: You do realise this woman has nasty thugs like you for breakfast, I hope?
Hawk: Only when we're out of pancakes.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:01 .

[TEWR]

yusuf060297 wrote...

curlzncrush wrote...
But then this one line comes along...I think it was, "I never do anything quietly.  Swords for everyone!" where he throws his arms up in the air.  I had to pause the game because I was laughing so hard.

The other line was when Hawke said something like, "Plus, I can practice my Orlesian accent." in a hilarious voice.

The instance was during Legacy where Hawke does 'Carver's jig'.  This was another point that really had me howling...it was heartwarming too, seeing my Hawke act goofier like that.

heartwarming ? maybe to you but not to me. When i saw actually hawke making such a thing (carver's jig), i thought it was ridiculous, i dont like the sarcastic option as i see no point for it to be in a dark fantasy rpg. there must be some seriousness. I mean, even when your mother dies you can crack a joke.

I don't see what's so ridiculous about Hawke trying to cheer up his sister because she's feeling down about a lot of things, her being a Warden the biggest one that plagues her soul.

It is heartwarming because it shows that Hawke doesn't want Bethany to be sad. That he wants her to remember the good times of her past and to find good times in the future.