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[tetrisblock4x1]

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[The Spamming Troll]

Phaedon wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
nobody follows the  devs tweets, or chekcs the stickied threads, excpet people already in the know. the trailer was for people outside of this forum. and it did nothing to make them want to play ME3.

atleast thats what i feel about it.

Indeed. The marketing so far depleted the fanbase's anticipation so much that ME3 ended up winning the Most Anticipated Game of 2012 award by popular vote.

over bioshock and halo 4??? im suprised.

i guess bioware should stop marketing for the new crowd, and focus on getting back the ones theyve already lost.

[AlexXIV]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
nobody follows the  devs tweets, or chekcs the stickied threads, excpet people already in the know. the trailer was for people outside of this forum. and it did nothing to make them want to play ME3.

atleast thats what i feel about it.

Indeed. The marketing so far depleted the fanbase's anticipation so much that ME3 ended up winning the Most Anticipated Game of 2012 award by popular vote.

over bioshock and halo 4??? im suprised.

i guess bioware should stop marketing for the new crowd, and focus on getting back the ones theyve already lost.

No, they are not worth it.

[Arcadian Legend]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Look at all these sheep who didn't read the OP.

1 sheep, 2 sheep, *yawn* 3, sheep...

This may not be exactly the same as all those other RPG threads, but some users are certainly eager to steer it in that direction.

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

See what I'm talking about? No need to talk about it in the Royal Canterlot voice either. Even though this user is making an obvious troll attempt.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:39 .

[Candidate 88766]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
nobody follows the  devs tweets, or chekcs the stickied threads, excpet people already in the know. the trailer was for people outside of this forum. and it did nothing to make them want to play ME3.

atleast thats what i feel about it.

Indeed. The marketing so far depleted the fanbase's anticipation so much that ME3 ended up winning the Most Anticipated Game of 2012 award by popular vote.

over bioshock and halo 4??? im suprised.

i guess bioware should stop marketing for the new crowd, and focus on getting back the ones theyve already lost.

Why should they market to people that have already made up their minds about ME3? Marketing is for those people who haven't decided, and seeing as it won Most Anticipated Game they're clearly doing something right.

That it beat Halo 4 is surprising to me too though. A few years ago a new Halo game would've won hands down.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Look at all these sheep who didn't read the OP.

1 sheep, 2 sheep, *yawn* 3, sheep...

This may not be exactly the same as all those other RPG threads, but some users are certainly eager to steer it in that direction.

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

See what I'm talking about? No need to talk about it in the Royal Canterlot voice either. Even though this user is making an obvious troll attempt.

Prove me wrong.

[AlexXIV]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Look at all these sheep who didn't read the OP.

1 sheep, 2 sheep, *yawn* 3, sheep...

This may not be exactly the same as all those other RPG threads, but some users are certainly eager to steer it in that direction.

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

See what I'm talking about? No need to talk about it in the Royal Canterlot voice either. Even though this user is making an obvious troll attempt.

Prove me wrong.

Depending on your choices you get different endings. Case closed.

[Sgt Stryker]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

omg hella rude tbh

[Candidate 88766]

People need to remember that ME games, and Bioware games in general, have always been stories first and games second. They don't set out to make RPGs, they set out to make stories. It just so happens that in gaming an RPG is often the best way to tell this kind of story, but not every RPG hallmark is essential for it to work, as ME2 proved. I like that Bioware doesn't stick to genre conventions, and never really has - at least, not since Neverwinter Nights, and even that defied common RPG convention by including multiplayer.

Besides, we've already seen in the extended demos that there will be plenty of RPG stuff - expanded skill trees, expanded weapon customization and expanded armour customization. For the fast-paced and cinematic style of storytelling Bioware is doing with the mass Effect series, it doesn't need anything more than that.

The priority has always been, and should continue to be, the story, characters, writing and setting. Not which shelf it goes on in stores.

[Arkitekt]

I love the smell of mental breakdowns in the morning. Reading the OP was hilarious, thanks for that.

[tetrisblock4x1]

AlexXIV wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Look at all these sheep who didn't read the OP.

1 sheep, 2 sheep, *yawn* 3, sheep...

This may not be exactly the same as all those other RPG threads, but some users are certainly eager to steer it in that direction.

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

See what I'm talking about? No need to talk about it in the Royal Canterlot voice either. Even though this user is making an obvious troll attempt.

Prove me wrong.

Depending on your choices you get different endings. Case closed.

You don't get to play endings.

[Arcadian Legend]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Look at all these sheep who didn't read the OP.

1 sheep, 2 sheep, *yawn* 3, sheep...

This may not be exactly the same as all those other RPG threads, but some users are certainly eager to steer it in that direction.

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

HEY GUYS ME3 IS AN RPG OKAY IT LETS YOU CHOOSE WHICH GUN YOU WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH IN PLAIN SIMPLE CORRIDORS AND YOU CHOOSE YOUR **** BUDDY AND YOUR CHOICES ALL DO THE SAME THINGS IN THE END BUT YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE THE COLOR OF YOUR DIALOG REPLIES SO IT IS AN RPG SO THERE

See what I'm talking about? No need to talk about it in the Royal Canterlot voice either. Even though this user is making an obvious troll attempt.

Prove me wrong.

You misunderstand a little, I'm not taking much of any side here except my own. Also, if it helps any, I'm not saying you are a full blown troll, just that this was a trolling attempt. Is all. We've all trolled at least once for something in the past, even if just for lulz.  You are entitled to what you think, I'm not gonna try to force or make you change that, It was just your post was the one that stuckj out the most/made me notice the most due to it's ALL CAPS IN YOUR FACE approach.  If it's any consolation too, some of the things you mentioned were right, while some things the other side mentioned were also right.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[Izhalezan]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Izhalezan wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

You could make your own endings happen in Saint's Row 3. Also had more customization than ME, and you could level up your guns, your cars, you got to make choices which had different consequences, choose different dialogue replies which were based off which voice type you give to your character, you get to order your troops around, get to explore, do sidequests.

Saints Row 3 is as much of an RPG as Mass Effect.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Arkitekt]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
nobody follows the  devs tweets, or chekcs the stickied threads, excpet people already in the know. the trailer was for people outside of this forum. and it did nothing to make them want to play ME3.

atleast thats what i feel about it.

Indeed. The marketing so far depleted the fanbase's anticipation so much that ME3 ended up winning the Most Anticipated Game of 2012 award by popular vote.

over bioshock and halo 4??? im suprised.

i guess bioware should stop marketing for the new crowd, and focus on getting back the ones theyve already lost.

Why should they market to people that have already made up their minds about ME3? Marketing is for those people who haven't decided, and seeing as it won Most Anticipated Game they're clearly doing something right.

That it beat Halo 4 is surprising to me too though. A few years ago a new Halo game would've won hands down.

There is a small minority of loud pain in the arses while the big majority of common sense people are actually eager to play the game. Such small minorities are always some frustrated confused people who somehow think a game should be the second coming of christ.

[Arkitekt]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

You could make your own endings happen in Saint's Row 3. Also had more customization than ME, and you could level up your guns, your cars, you got to make choices which had different consequences, you get to order your troops around, get to explore, do sidequests.

Saints Row 3 is as much of an RPG as Mass Effect.

Sounds like a nice game. And made by Volition, so even better.

[Candidate 88766]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

You could make your own endings happen in Saint's Row 3. Also had more customization than ME, and you could level up your guns, your cars, you got to make choices which had different consequences, you get to order your troops around, get to explore, do sidequests.

Saints Row 3 is as much of an RPG as Mass Effect.

So?

The story is what's important in ME3, not how much of an RPG it is. No one who played ME1 said 'oh, those characters and story were good but the inventory is what really made it great'.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[Alex Arterius]

Phaedon wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

If these RPG features are here, then why don't Bioware talk about them then?? Even outside the big events such as the VGA's and E3 all Bioware talk about is the combat... Would it kill to do a Bioware Pulse episode on it? The last two episodes have both focused entirely on combat and they've just regurgitated what we already know... Maybe there are RPG features, but Bioware should really just tell us that.

-They don't talk about them? So Ray and Greg didn't have a meeting with various journalists and discussed where RPGs headed? And ME3 as an RPG?

-Actually, in E3 they spent a big part of the live stream showing off statistical progression and weapon customization.

-Even so, it would be sort of hard to come up with the massive list of RPG features that the sticked thread (yeah that one, it's good to check it now and then, no?) has if they didn't talk about them all the time. 

-50% of dev tweets have to do about various RPG elements.

-Combat is FILLED with statistical customization and progression elements.

-A Pulse episode? Like the one that Watamuniak and Silverman were working on?

-Since when do animations count as combat? Lol. TRUE AR PEE GEES DON'T HAVE ANIMATIONS YOU GUYS.

-Maybe you should read the Power thread or my thread once in a while, it certainly wouldn't hurt,

Yeah but this is all pretty behind doors stuff, things like developer tweets and and a general meeting about the direction of all future RPG's hardly constitues for good pulicity and marketing of the RPG side of ME3, especially considering all the focus combat gets.

And actually I read your thread every week Phaedon my argument was with why Bioware don't market the RPG side to us, I know of the RPG side, Bioware just don't really show us much of it...

[Alex Arterius]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MadJordan wrote...

People need to understand that the point of trailers aren't meant to show of a games feature's they're made to get peoples attention. Guns, explosions and having two massive things fighting each other is going to get a hell of allot more attention than showing the RPG elements of the game.

That's how marketing works, deal with it.

Not to mention that they already have showed off some of the RPG elemetns like the power trees a dozen times, but I guess the haters are turning a blind eye because they're incredibly stupid for the sake of arguing about the lack of it.

Hahahaha, awwww I made some one all angry :')
Yeah man I know all this, but thanks for letting me know haha. I'm only saying that Bioware should show us more of the RPG stuff rather than combat all the time, I do undersatnd the useage of trailers, but thanks anyway Einstein
Also I love Mass Effect, it's my favourite gaming franchise, i'm not stupid (although maybe you are if you can't hold a civilised debate without slinging insults around) and am certainly no hater. This is just my view on direction of ME3's combat vs RPG marketing

Modifié par Alex Arterius, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[Arkitekt]

What exactly would you like to see that hasn't been shown already, RPG related?

[tetrisblock4x1]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

You could make your own endings happen in Saint's Row 3. Also had more customization than ME, and you could level up your guns, your cars, you got to make choices which had different consequences, you get to order your troops around, get to explore, do sidequests.

Saints Row 3 is as much of an RPG as Mass Effect.

So?

The story is what's important in ME3, not how much of an RPG it is. No one who played ME1 said 'oh, those characters and story were good but the inventory is what really made it great'.

So it has come to this. There are several games which have similarities to current gen Bioware "RPGs" and they aren't even been marketed as RPGs. I guess that if Bioware dropped the pretense of RPG, they'd be required to make games with better gameplay.

[Candidate 88766]

Alex Arterius wrote...
This is just my view on direction of ME3's combat vs RPG marketing

Just remember that ME3's marketing has barely started.

There have been two actual trailers - one was CGI, and one was made up of E3 footage, footage which was geared towards combat due to the nature of E3.

Otherwise we've had 4 demos - Earth, Sur'Kesh, Tuchunka and that very brief demo of Shepard shooting the Reaper with a turret. Two of those demos featured RPG stuff, and the Sur'Kesh demo featured it heavily.

Apart from that, we've had a couple of Pulse episodes on the underlying mechanics of the game. The RPG features are just that, features - without them, the game would still work. The combat mechanics are the underlying things that make it work as a game, and at the moment the Pulse episodes are showing improvements to those underlying mechanics. Over time, they'll no doubt start to cover the features of the game as well, such as the RPg stuff.

There really hasn't been much marketing. Its not like we've had a ton of combat trailers and no RPG stuff - there's been very little all round.

[Candidate 88766]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


You don't get to play endings.

No, you make them happen.

You could make your own endings happen in Saint's Row 3. Also had more customization than ME, and you could level up your guns, your cars, you got to make choices which had different consequences, you get to order your troops around, get to explore, do sidequests.

Saints Row 3 is as much of an RPG as Mass Effect.

So?

The story is what's important in ME3, not how much of an RPG it is. No one who played ME1 said 'oh, those characters and story were good but the inventory is what really made it great'.

So it has come to this. There are several games which have similarities to current gen Bioware "RPGs" and they aren't even been marketed as RPGs. I guess that if Bioware dropped the pretense of RPG, they'd be required to make games with better gameplay.

They've always called them action-RPGs, and most of Bioware's games are action-RPGs as opposed to 'proper' RPGs, even back to Neverwinter Nights. They've never claimed the ME games to be hardcore RPGs, which is what you seem to be implying. They have always been at pains to stress the hybrid nature of them so that people wouldn't come into these games expecting hardcore old-school RPGs.

Besides, genre definitions are pretty loose anyway. Sports games and shooters often feature more stats and customization than many RPGs can claim.

[pmac_tk421]

Phaedon wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

*facepalm* Oh god not this F***ing thread again.
Also, stat screens don't make for interesting ads. The love of a few rabid fans won't pay the bills. Mass Effect 3 is gonna be awesome, so stop the QQ.

That's the OP's point. Check the OP again.

Oh sorry, thank you for pointing that out. The title and all caps caused me to make some assumptions, seeing as the type of thread I thought it was is happening alot recently.

[Alex Arterius]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...
This is just my view on direction of ME3's combat vs RPG marketing

Just remember that ME3's marketing has barely started.

There have been two actual trailers - one was CGI, and one was made up of E3 footage, footage which was geared towards combat due to the nature of E3.

Otherwise we've had 4 demos - Earth, Sur'Kesh, Tuchunka and that very brief demo of Shepard shooting the Reaper with a turret. Two of those demos featured RPG stuff, and the Sur'Kesh demo featured it heavily.

Apart from that, we've had a couple of Pulse episodes on the underlying mechanics of the game. The RPG features are just that, features - without them, the game would still work. The combat mechanics are the underlying things that make it work as a game, and at the moment the Pulse episodes are showing improvements to those underlying mechanics. Over time, they'll no doubt start to cover the features of the game as well, such as the RPg stuff.

There really hasn't been much marketing. Its not like we've had a ton of combat trailers and no RPG stuff - there's been very little all round.

Yeah I guess! But for a game that was announced a year ago, I sitll feel very much in the dark about it and that the stuff I do actually know is very geared towards one particular audience (i don't really classify myself as either a die hard RPG fan or die hard Shooter, I like a good mix of both) but so far it all seems a little unbalanced to me, the game is under 3 months from release now afterall!