Ryzaki wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
Large targets that are stading still, still need to increase to make sure of a hit.
Well even if it takes multiple tries it'll be rewarding in the end.
Modifié par firefireblow, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:21 .
Not entirely true. Since the vast majority of tier 1 operations are classified and their full role is only the innuendo that we get from second hand sources, it's really guesswork at best. Operations Gothic Serpent, The Battle of Tora Bora and Operation Anaconda are also good examples of Tier 1 unit direct action missions. If you want to include MACV-SOG as the Tier 1 force of it's day then there are probably even more examples.Oblivious wrote...
True, in that scenario it would be helpful to blend in. But during the First Contact War neither side was concerned over civilian casualties as the Turians only beilieve in total war. Since then there have been no instances of (direct) military conflict with any party aside from batarians, who also practice total war. So yes, in a scenario where one side or another is interested in avoiding civilian casualties blending in would be helpful, but as that scenario has yet to occur it cannot be used to describe why it makes sense to have military personnel with long-esque hair.TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Fair enough. But you'd be surprised at how observant some people (or aliens for that matter) can be and are trained to be. Let say the turians are looking for a group of humans (in a Hypothetical ground war) who are using guerrila tactics on some Planet that for some strange reason (bear with me) has a mixed population of Turians, Humans and other Aliens. You would need to be capable of at least trying to figure out in numerous ways how they can blend in while at the same time blend so you aren't discovered to be a part of a military force. Not looking like an obvious soldier would be very helpful in concealing yourself from more observant eyes.Oblivious wrote...
True, but when you're dealing with aliens who cares? I honestly can't tell one Turian from another for example.TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
That isn't the only reason. The books I mentioned also state that having long hair and beards is part of the incognito way of not looking like an obvious soldier.
To Respond to your earlier point:
As far as N7 equating to Rangers/ RMC or USMC Force Recon. There is nothing in game (that I can recall) in their doctrine that states nor implies this. Those units often work in much larger groups. (platoon/battalion level) I have yet to even see in game or even slight implications that N7s work in forces that large. They are always fire team sized forces mentioned.
As for your second paragraph: It is true. You and I are both equally blind in trying to give a real-life comparison to the N7 and, possibly, both equally wrong. I'm making my assumption off what I have heard of N7 missions, basically that they do deep insertion (Mass Effect 2 news report that a team of N7 marines were dropped in Batarian space from a Normandy class stealth vessel), Search & Destroy (Shepard's Sole Survivor background and Mass Effect Revelations) and Assault (Shepard's Ruthless background). With the exception of Operation Neptune Tier 1 units aren't known for Search & Destroy and Assault missions since that falls in the category of light infantry.
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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
I honestly did not expect to stumble across MaleShepxConrad sexual innuendo in the "long hair" thread. o.O
Modifié par firefireblow, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:23 .
firefireblow wrote...
oh god can't breath, anymore.
you win, I submit.
Ryzaki wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
oh god can't breath, anymore.
you win, I submit.
Victory is mine!
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firefireblow wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
I honestly did not expect to stumble across MaleShepxConrad sexual innuendo in the "long hair" thread. o.O
and where have you been?
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
I honestly did not expect to stumble across MaleShepxConrad sexual innuendo in the "long hair" thread. o.O
and where have you been?
I was accidently temp banned. I posted in a spambot thread, saying, "blah blah, I reported this." The mods got mouse-happy and accidently gave me a ban.
firefireblow wrote...
I still won't submit to their will tho.
Ryzaki wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
I still won't submit to their will tho.
We shall see.
firefireblow wrote...
as long as Vega dosen't insert himself into the frey.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:47 .
Ryzaki wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
as long as Vega dosen't insert himself into the frey.
Vega/Conrad/Shepard sandwich?
*passes out from nose bleed*
firefireblow wrote...
Would you want Kaiden, fourth too?
How about Balthier?
Ryzaki wrote...
firefireblow wrote...
Would you want Kaiden, fourth too?
How about Balthier?
Kaidan? *grimaces* No thanks. He'd kill the party.
Balthier though...Mmm..
Oh actually I would adore a Balthier like hairstyle for my Shep. It's not long but it looks better than anything available at the moment.
Modifié par firefireblow, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:51 .
Ah a military post. Happy days, no more homosexual sex innuendos:happy:TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Not entirely true. Since the vast majority of tier 1 operations are classified and their full role is only the innuendo that we get from second hand sources, it's really guesswork at best. Operations Gothic Serpent, The Battle of Tora Bora and Operation Anaconda are also good examples of Tier 1 unit direct action missions. If you want to include MACV-SOG as the Tier 1 force of it's day then there are probably even more examples.Oblivious wrote...
True, in that scenario it would be helpful to blend in. But during the First Contact War neither side was concerned over civilian casualties as the Turians only beilieve in total war. Since then there have been no instances of (direct) military conflict with any party aside from batarians, who also practice total war. So yes, in a scenario where one side or another is interested in avoiding civilian casualties blending in would be helpful, but as that scenario has yet to occur it cannot be used to describe why it makes sense to have military personnel with long-esque hair.TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
Fair enough. But you'd be surprised at how observant some people (or aliens for that matter) can be and are trained to be. Let say the turians are looking for a group of humans (in a Hypothetical ground war) who are using guerrila tactics on some Planet that for some strange reason (bear with me) has a mixed population of Turians, Humans and other Aliens. You would need to be capable of at least trying to figure out in numerous ways how they can blend in while at the same time blend so you aren't discovered to be a part of a military force. Not looking like an obvious soldier would be very helpful in concealing yourself from more observant eyes.Oblivious wrote...
True, but when you're dealing with aliens who cares? I honestly can't tell one Turian from another for example.TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...
That isn't the only reason. The books I mentioned also state that having long hair and beards is part of the incognito way of not looking like an obvious soldier.
To Respond to your earlier point:
As far as N7 equating to Rangers/ RMC or USMC Force Recon. There is nothing in game (that I can recall) in their doctrine that states nor implies this. Those units often work in much larger groups. (platoon/battalion level) I have yet to even see in game or even slight implications that N7s work in forces that large. They are always fire team sized forces mentioned.
As for your second paragraph: It is true. You and I are both equally blind in trying to give a real-life comparison to the N7 and, possibly, both equally wrong. I'm making my assumption off what I have heard of N7 missions, basically that they do deep insertion (Mass Effect 2 news report that a team of N7 marines were dropped in Batarian space from a Normandy class stealth vessel), Search & Destroy (Shepard's Sole Survivor background and Mass Effect Revelations) and Assault (Shepard's Ruthless background). With the exception of Operation Neptune Tier 1 units aren't known for Search & Destroy and Assault missions since that falls in the category of light infantry.
. Unless, of course they fail in some grand manner (though that's subjective when looking at Tora Bora and Anaconda. Guess since they didn't capture/destroy their primary objective, Osama, it can be considered a "failure").
firefireblow wrote...
I want his air ship to be the new look for the normandy.
also to have Fran at my side. <mainly this.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 05:54 .
Ryzaki wrote...
That's a little too cool looking for Shep's ship I'm afraid. And Fran's too awesome for Shep too.
@Oblivious: Don't make me get even more innuendish. Because believe me I can.
And yeah trim those quotes.
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Modifié par firefireblow, 12 décembre 2011 - 06:12 .
I think you are the one who is the idiot.John Newton wrote...
Mass Effect Player wrote...
Halfno wrote...
There are plenty of historical examples of long hair in western militaries. The biggest reason for short now being the standard was fleas and lice in the trenchesMass Effect Player wrote...
Halfno wrote...
Pretty certain all of those funky beards are pretty individualistic...
Your changing the subject. Facial hair is a different story. In contrast I dont have a problem with standarized facial hair now in the future or in fiction. As long as it doesn't affect your ability in the battlefield and the style is dictated by rank and experience. The reason why most Western military's got rid of it was because of the threat of WMD weapons.
Your talking to guy who is about to join the military and who is a military science and history nut. I know their are historical example of beards in militaries. The Combat engineers in France are allowed to have beards the U.S. Navy allowed Admirals to have beards in up until the 70's.
You're going to join the Military? That also makes you an idiot.
What the hell makes you an idiot for joining the military?You're going to join the Military? That also makes you an idiot.
Random Nobody wrote...
What the hell makes you an idiot for joining the military?You're going to join the Military? That also makes you an idiot.
Modifié par firefireblow, 12 décembre 2011 - 03:16 .
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