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[Ryzaki]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

All I'm saying is even though ME is fiction doesn't mean it can't be open to realism. Long hair just isn't good in the very long term.

It's really too late for that though and why do you care if it's avoidable? If I want my game to not have that bit of realism what does it matter if it's not forced on you?

It's not like I'm asking for Anderson and Kaidan to have long hair! Just for me to have the option on the CC to give him a longer hairstyle.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[tobynator89]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

I disagree. I read why you want long hair but its not realistic. Long Hair in military's female or male can't be really long not just because the enemy might pull on it, its also about hygiene and discipline. Your aren't really supposed to be a individual in the military. Look at this evidence the Dutch did what you wanted in the 70's and look were that got them, they got rid of it. Sorry to bring your hopes down but its not realistic. Unless you want Shep to have the standardized length thats acceptable for females.

Tell that to Delta force, DEVGRU, SAS or any other Tier 1 Special Operations Force. They don't have to follow Uniform, or hair/grooming/length regulations for the simple reason that they are supposed blend in to their environments.

Shepard is an N7 (Which I would assume is equivalent to being a Tier 1 force) yet he/she sticks out like a sore thumb all the time. That's one thing that always bothered me about the N7s, you can spot them as clear as day. Delta Force don't even have tabs on their dress uniforms that specifically indicate what unit they in.

What Gives?

Since when has shep ever been part of a military undercover plainclothes op though? He's spec ops frontline combat personell. Which means his job is mainly force recon and observation.

*FACEPALM*
The way I see it: N7=Tier 1. Please Google the basic capabilities of any tier 1 force and Direct Action, Recon and numerous other frontline and behind enemy lines operations are a part of their capabilities. I fail to see how that contradicts my point.

because his status as a military celebrity has made his partaking in any op requiring him to go undercover unfeasible.

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

That's what I would consider long hair for my dude Shep.

Did you bother looking at the link I posted?

I'm not looking for Sephiroth hair. (1. The animation would be ****** poor and 2. This is not a JRPG.

Her AAP armor includes her hair down.

I saw your picture. I also understand what you mean. But I don't honestly don't care. Yes, your Shepard will look sexy, grats. But from a military-man I can tell you that I will not respect a Shepard who lacks the discipline to cut his hair. I don't care about his exploits, I will not follow that man anywhere. If I, a real-life military personnel, can say that no enlisted man or officer can respect a Shepard with neck-length hair then believe me that the idea is wrong.

And just because it's an option doesn't mean it should be allowed. If options are allowed then I want facial tattoos, freckles, acne, glasses, braces, lipstick, and eyeshadow as options for male Shepard. Are they stupid? Who cares, they're optional.

[Ryzaki]

Oblivious wrote...

I saw your picture. I also understand what you mean. But I don't honestly don't care. Yes, your Shepard will look sexy, grats. But from a military-man I can tell you that I will not respect a Shepard who lacks the discipline to cut his hair. I don't care about his exploits, I will not follow that man anywhere. If I, a real-life military personnel, can say that no enlisted man or officer can respect a Shepard with neck-length hair then believe me that the idea is wrong.

And just because it's an option doesn't mean it should be allowed. If options are allowed then I want facial tattoos, freckles, acne, glasses, braces, lipstick, and eyeshadow as options for male Shepard. Are they stupid? Who cares, they're optional.

And to be honest...I wouldn't give a damn if you respect my Shep. The idea is wrong because you say so? Sorry but no.

Sure. Go ahead and make a thread. I won't argue against it because you know...it's avoidable. Just like the romances, just like being a paragon (or a renegade).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:39 .

[naledgeborn]

Military regs... Spectre be damned. Shepard is a soldier to the core. Growing dreadlocks or mullets or whatever other nonsense people can come up with it OOC with EVERY Shepard.

[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...

Military regs... Spectre be damned. Shepard is a soldier to the core. Growing dreadlocks or mullets or whatever other nonsense people can come up with it OOC with EVERY Shepard.

Yes because clearly every Shepard follows military rules to the tee. That's exactly why he/she jumped in bed with a terrorist organization before reporting in to say he/she was alive and why all Sheps either romanced Liara or no one at all during Me1. 

...wait a minute!

Seriously if you want to make an arguement about what's OOC for every Shepard try to use something that he/she clearly shows he/she will never do. Like abandon human colonists to being made into Reaper smoothies or ignore the Reapers. Not to mention...we don't know if ME universe allows all soldiers to have long hair as long as it's tied back. (I would assume so seeing as they're gender neutral in every other way).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Medhia Nox]

I want "bald" Shepard... but instead, I have to settle with "patchy hair that matches skin tone so as to look bald" Shepard.

So sure - give people their long haired Shepard.

[Ryzaki]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I want "bald" Shepard... but instead, I have to settle with "patchy hair that matches skin tone so as to look bald" Shepard.

So sure - give people their long haired Shepard.

Frankly that's kind of odd. Bald Shep for Me3 too

[Oblivious]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

*FACEPALM*
The way I see it: N7=Tier 1. Please Google the basic capabilities of any tier 1 force and Direct Action, Recon and numerous other frontline and behind enemy lines operations are a part of their capabilities. I fail to see how that contradicts my point.

Don't facepalm on a theoretical subject. We're comparing real life to a video game. Everybody is equally wrong, but when you act superior to somebody else with no proof it just makes you look like a condescending pr!ck <_< Again, N7 is not Tier 1 because Tier 1 are counter-terrorist black ops units whose military personnel spend most of their time at home waiting for a big mission. They're a defensive unit, not used in attack under any circumstances. Ever. You do not throw away a $50 million/10 year investment on a stupid offensive.

N7, on the other hand, has lore showing that they are used in assault and search & destroy missions. For example: the Sole Survivor/Ruthless backgrounds show Shepard leading an offensive against a fortified military installation or exploring an uncharted planet. Tier 1 would never be used in those operations. N7=Shock Troops.

[Ryzaki]

At this point though is Shepard not a Spectre? Secret Covert Agent? (and really ME2 throws the military arguement out the window since Shep's AWOL with a terrorist organization and doesn't get reinstated until Me3's already begun and in that time span Shep can grow his/her hair out because said regulations wouldn't really apply if he's not in active duty no?).

Though yeah I'm gonna stop with the real world comparisons as well because they're iffy. I'm gonna base it off ME being mostly gender neutral in its treatement of soldiers. So I don't see why they'd treat male operatives that different from female operatives. As long as the hair is neat, clean and out of the way I don't see why it'd be an issue.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yes because clearly every Shepard follows military rules to the tee. That's exactly why he/she jumped in bed with a terrorist organization before reporting in to say he/she was alive and why all Sheps either romanced Liara or no one at all during Me1. 

...wait a minute!

Seriously if you want to make an arguement about what's OOC for every Shepard try to use something that he/she clearly shows he/she will never do. Like abandon human colonists to being made into Reaper smoothies or ignore the Reapers. Not to mention...we don't know if ME universe allows all soldiers to have long hair as long as it's tied back. (I would assume so seeing as they're gender neutral in every other way).

It's OOC. If you don't like it go through the chain of command and take it up with the brass. 

[FutureBoy81]

why not ?

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

I saw your picture. I also understand what you mean. But I don't honestly don't care. Yes, your Shepard will look sexy, grats. But from a military-man I can tell you that I will not respect a Shepard who lacks the discipline to cut his hair. I don't care about his exploits, I will not follow that man anywhere. If I, a real-life military personnel, can say that no enlisted man or officer can respect a Shepard with neck-length hair then believe me that the idea is wrong.

And just because it's an option doesn't mean it should be allowed. If options are allowed then I want facial tattoos, freckles, acne, glasses, braces, lipstick, and eyeshadow as options for male Shepard. Are they stupid? Who cares, they're optional.

And to be honest...I wouldn't give a damn if you respect my Shep. The idea is wrong because you say so? Sorry but no.

Sure. Go ahead and make a thread. I won't argue against it because you know...it's avoidable. Just like the romances, just like being a paragon (or a renegade).

I'm not gonna make a thread and I'm not arguing. This is a discussion. Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make it an argument

I'm not saying it's stupid because I do not respect your Shepard. I'm saying it's stupid because it breaks the lore for no good reason. Miranda's catsuit is stupid. Inter-species sex with aliens who don't even share your DNA is stupid. Jack running around without a shirt is stupid. Heels in combat is stupid. With the exception of possibly the inter-species sex all of those ideas broke the lore for no good reason other than because people wanted it. I already presented my reasons why this idea breaks the lore for no good reason. Like it or not Shepard is a Marine officer. He is subject to the same rules as every officer since Napoleon's time. Don't like it? Request the next game you play as a civilian.

[Trapper_920]

I'm all for the choice, if you don't want it don't pick it. I love options. =D

[tobynator89]

Ryzaki wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Military regs... Spectre be damned. Shepard is a soldier to the core. Growing dreadlocks or mullets or whatever other nonsense people can come up with it OOC with EVERY Shepard.

Yes because clearly every Shepard follows military rules to the tee. That's exactly why he/she jumped in bed with a terrorist organization before reporting in to say he/she was alive.

...wait.

for the last time, it's not a reg thing it's a practical thing. soldiers keep their hair short for the same reason that they tape down any loose straps on their combat vest and backpack, triple check for wear and tear on their gear make sure the gas mask fits properly or tie their f*cking shoelaces.

Because it pays to be prepared. I walked into that trap on an exercise with my M72 law, It kept getting stuck in branches because I hadn't done my job, and because of that I didn't get it out in time for a CV-9030 IFV that we tried to outmanouver. It spotted us and got us, plain and simple.

Imagine if something like that had happened in real life combat? I'd be dead. So after that I made sure I was prepared.

[Ryzaki]

Oblivious wrote...
I'm not gonna make a thread and I'm not arguing. This is a discussion. Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make it an argument

I'm not saying it's stupid because I do not respect your Shepard. I'm saying it's stupid because it breaks the lore for no good reason. Miranda's catsuit is stupid. Inter-species sex with aliens who don't even share your DNA is stupid. Jack running around without a shirt is stupid. Heels in combat is stupid. With the exception of possibly the inter-species sex all of those ideas broke the lore for no good reason other than because people wanted it. I already presented my reasons why this idea breaks the lore for no good reason. Like it or not Shepard is a Marine officer. He is subject to the same rules as every officer since Napoleon's time. Don't like it? Request the next game you play as a civilian.

...huh? Uh...

Arguement : (CanOxford)

• An exchange of views, esp.
  a contentious or prolonged one.

Any debate is an arguement. All arguements are not automatically rude and dersive. (just most).

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Ah but all those other things are in the game. so clearly asking for it works just fine without having to play another game. So All I need to do is ask. Because this is a video game not a reality simulator.
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Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

In the real military, men aren't allowed to grow their hair out past an inch and a half, and it can't be more than an inch and a quarter in bulk.

But then again, Shep's a Spectre, and if you wanna rock a ponytail broShep, be my guest.

[viggorrah]

Huh. Just noticed that the OP misspelled "Shepard".

Sorry, don't mind me. Continue with the arguments.