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[Ryzaki]

tobynator89 wrote...
for the last time, it's not a reg thing it's a practical thing. soldiers keep their hair short for the same reason that they tape down any loose straps on their combat vest and backpack, triple check for wear and tear on their gear make sure the gas mask fits properly or tie their f*cking shoelaces.

Because it pays to be prepared. I walked into that trap on an exercise with my M72 law, It kept getting stuck in branches because I hadn't done my job, and because of that I didn't get it out in time for a CV-9030 IFV that we tried to outmanouver. It spotted us and got us, plain and simple.

Imagine if something like that had happened in real life combat? I'd be dead. So after that I made sure I was prepared.

Okay for the last time this is a video game. We have people using telekinesis and mind rape. Thus why I have no issue with Shep having the *choice* of having long hair.

I never said short hair wasn't practical or realistic. Just that I did not care. Especially when Shep's female counterpart is ignoring said practicality. For me fun, looks and enjoyment trump realism. (Not characterization though. But of all the things that are set about Shep following military reg to the tee is not one of them).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[naledgeborn]

tobynator89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Military regs... Spectre be damned. Shepard is a soldier to the core. Growing dreadlocks or mullets or whatever other nonsense people can come up with it OOC with EVERY Shepard.

Yes because clearly every Shepard follows military rules to the tee. That's exactly why he/she jumped in bed with a terrorist organization before reporting in to say he/she was alive.

...wait.

for the last time, it's not a reg thing it's a practical thing. soldiers keep their hair short for the same reason that they tape down any loose straps on their combat vest and backpack, triple check for wear and tear on their gear make sure the gas mask fits properly or tie their f*cking shoelaces.

Because it pays to be prepared. I walked into that trap on an exercise with my M72 law, It kept getting stuck in branches because I hadn't done my job, and because of that I didn't get it out in time for a CV-9030 IFV that we tried to outmanouver. It spotted us and got us, plain and simple.

Imagine if something like that had happened in real life combat? I'd be dead. So after that I made sure I was prepared.

That's what regulations are for... as well as looking professional in dress blues. I hate blues

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oblivious wrote...
I'm not gonna make a thread and I'm not arguing. This is a discussion. Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make it an argument

I'm not saying it's stupid because I do not respect your Shepard. I'm saying it's stupid because it breaks the lore for no good reason. Miranda's catsuit is stupid. Inter-species sex with aliens who don't even share your DNA is stupid. Jack running around without a shirt is stupid. Heels in combat is stupid. With the exception of possibly the inter-species sex all of those ideas broke the lore for no good reason other than because people wanted it. I already presented my reasons why this idea breaks the lore for no good reason. Like it or not Shepard is a Marine officer. He is subject to the same rules as every officer since Napoleon's time. Don't like it? Request the next game you play as a civilian.

...huh? Uh...

Arguement : (CanOxford)

• An exchange of views, esp.
  a contentious or prolonged one.

Any debate is an arguement. All arguements are not automatically rude and dersive. (just most).
Ah but all those other things are in the game. so clearly asking for it works just fine without having to play another game. So All I need to do is ask. Because this is a video game not a reality simulator.

I stand corrected Well played sir, well played. OK, you ask Bioware and I'll ask them not to put it in. I wonder which will win?

Modifié par Oblivious, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay for the last time this is a video game. We have people using telekinesis and mind rape. Thus why I have no issue with Shep having the *choice* of having long hair.

I never said short hair wasn't practical or realistic. Just that I did not care. Especially when Shep's female counterpart is ignoring said practicality. For me fun, looks and enjoyment trump realism. (Not characterization though. But of all the things that are set about Shep following military reg to the tee is not one of them).

They tell me jump. I say how high? LOL. You're not getting your Anime hair, sorry.

[Ryzaki]

Mass Effect Player wrote...
And I think most of these civies (Not an insult) are getting the practicality but as for a videogame most of them don't care.

This. I would never suggest such a change in the actual military. But in my video game where Shep is distilled awesome and can punch Yahgs in the face and come back from the dead? And Samara and Miranda never manage to break those heels?

Why not have the option?

@naledge: You also didn't bother clicking my link did you. Anime hair? *rolls eyes* Yes because clearly all males with long hair have anime hair down to the crack of their ass or ridculously spikey. There's nothing other than that for men. Nope. Nothing at all. All men with long hair are doomed to Sephiroth hair or Cloud style.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay for the last time this is a video game. We have people using telekinesis and mind rape. Thus why I have no issue with Shep having the *choice* of having long hair.

I never said short hair wasn't practical or realistic. Just that I did not care. Especially when Shep's female counterpart is ignoring said practicality. For me fun, looks and enjoyment trump realism. (Not characterization though. But of all the things that are set about Shep following military reg to the tee is not one of them).

For you looks may be fun. But for me, military guys, and the guys still in this thread "realism" is fun. We like realism, we like practicality, and we like lore. To us this is fun, and to break those 3 things by adding long hair for no reason other than people wanted it is a really bad idea.

[Ryzaki]

Oblivious wrote...
For you looks may be fun. But for me, military guys, and the guys still in this thread "realism" is fun. We like realism, we like practicality, and we like lore. To us this is fun, and to break those 3 things by adding long hair for no reason other than people wanted it is a really bad idea.

But you can avoid the hair. Like you already probably avoid the alien romances, and Shep being rude to his superiors. It needn't affect your enjoyment at all.

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

This. I would never suggest such a change in the actual military. But in my video game where Shep is distilled awesome and can punch Yahgs in the face and come back from the dead? And Samara and Miranda never manage to break those heels?

Why not have the option?

@naledge: You also didn't bother clicking my link did you. Anime hair? *rolls eyes* Yes because clearly all males with long hair have anime hair down to the crack of their ass or ridculously spikey. There's nothing other than that for men. Nope. Nothing at all. All men with long hair are doomed to Sephiroth hair or Cloud style.

LOL you're cracking me up. Why are you getting so worked up over this? And Sephiroth, really? 

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Oblivious wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

I disagree. I read why you want long hair but its not realistic. Long Hair in military's female or male can't be really long not just because the enemy might pull on it, its also about hygiene and discipline. Your aren't really supposed to be a individual in the military. Look at this evidence the Dutch did what you wanted in the 70's and look were that got them, they got rid of it. Sorry to bring your hopes down but its not realistic. Unless you want Shep to have the standardized length thats acceptable for females.

Tell that to Delta force, DEVGRU, SAS or any other Tier 1 Special Operations Force. They don't have to follow Uniform, or hair/grooming/length regulations for the simple reason that they are supposed blend in to their environments.

Shepard is an N7 (Which I would assume is equivalent to being a Tier 1 force) yet he/she sticks out like a sore thumb all the time. That's one thing that always bothered me about the N7s, you can spot them as clear as day. Delta Force don't even have tabs on their dress uniforms that specifically indicate what unit they in.

What Gives?

Have you ever seen a Tier 1 unit or an SAS personnel? If not then this argument is invalid, and no I don't give a damn about what some website on the internet says. I want you to tell me what Tier 1 personnel wear. I know for a fact they wear beards, I know for a fact they wear civvie clothing, and I know for a fact they don't have to give a damn about military regulation. I also know for a fact that they are too experienced to do something as stupid as run a Black-Ops mission with long hair.

BTW, N7 are shock troops. They're closer to the Royal Marine Commandos, United States Army Ranger, and United
States Marine Force Recon than a Tier 1 unit.

Here is an actual Delta Force (ret?) operator from 60 minutes:
http://www.cbsnews.c...ated;photovideo

While it is wise to dismiss most BS online you'd be suprised at what you find if you know where to look.

Read Kill Bin Laden, Inside Delta Force Blackhawk Down: A Story of Modern War or any Book that a Delta Force operator has written. All those book state that flouting grooming regulations such as beard length and hair length is essential to mix in with some local cuture of whatever region they are operating in. In the Middle east, it's beard length. In other parts of the World having long hair for men is the norm so having reasonably long but managable hair wouldn't be cumbersome.

Honestly, if anybody wants hippy hair that hang at and beyond the shoulders is being stupid. Anything at the neckand well above the shoulders is tolerable.

[naledgeborn]

Whatever ****es. Go through Superman school at Lackland and then we can start the dick measuring contest.

[HolyAvenger]

There should just be more hair options in general. Long hair for males should be one of them (including ponytail).

[Ryzaki]

Mass Effect Player wrote...
Why not? is when is an idea actually a good Idea. Look if they do allow long. Make it mostly copyed from Fem Shep even though teasers are showing Fem Shep is letting her hair down it still looks like its in regulations. I don't want some disgusting long hippie crap that isn't taken care of. ( I am sorry if this offends official hippies )

oh you got something against hippies?



FemShep's hair is pretty ugly too. It's mostly the textures though. That and the skin textures are pretty bleh. (it's the only reason I give my Shep a beard. The skin in that area just looks weird without one).

Really though I am not asking for Sephiroth hair. I know a girl with Sepiroth hair and she sits on it all the time and she sometimes trips on it. I would never suggest anyone have their hair like that in RL)

@nal: Because I'm bored and seeing arguements against something optional never ceases to entertain me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:08 .

[naledgeborn]

HolyAvenger wrote...

There should just be more hair options in general. Long hair for males should be one of them (including ponytail).

This is Mass Effect not the Italian Mob of the 1970's.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

tobynator89 wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

I disagree. I read why you want long hair but its not realistic. Long Hair in military's female or male can't be really long not just because the enemy might pull on it, its also about hygiene and discipline. Your aren't really supposed to be a individual in the military. Look at this evidence the Dutch did what you wanted in the 70's and look were that got them, they got rid of it. Sorry to bring your hopes down but its not realistic. Unless you want Shep to have the standardized length thats acceptable for females.

Tell that to Delta force, DEVGRU, SAS or any other Tier 1 Special Operations Force. They don't have to follow Uniform, or hair/grooming/length regulations for the simple reason that they are supposed blend in to their environments.

Shepard is an N7 (Which I would assume is equivalent to being a Tier 1 force) yet he/she sticks out like a sore thumb all the time. That's one thing that always bothered me about the N7s, you can spot them as clear as day. Delta Force don't even have tabs on their dress uniforms that specifically indicate what unit they in.

What Gives?

Since when has shep ever been part of a military undercover plainclothes op though? He's spec ops frontline combat personell. Which means his job is mainly force recon and observation.

*FACEPALM*
The way I see it: N7=Tier 1. Please Google the basic capabilities of any tier 1 force and Direct Action, Recon and numerous other frontline and behind enemy lines operations are a part of their capabilities. I fail to see how that contradicts my point.

because his status as a military celebrity has made his partaking in any op requiring him to go undercover unfeasible.

That's more of a narrative screw up. Why would a high level operator ever be given a celebrity status? Alliance Military brass totally bungled the viability of one of their best soldiers for what? Propaganda?

[HolyAvenger]

naledgeborn wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

There should just be more hair options in general. Long hair for males should be one of them (including ponytail).

This is Mass Effect not the Italian Mob of the 1970's.

Why do you care what other people's Shepards look like?

[Ryzaki]

...I really don't think it matters. I could imagine the facepalm when my Shep was standing right next to those people talking about him and when Hock still hadn't figured out who he was. It seems people only realize it's Shepard when he jumps up and down going "OMG I'm SHEPARD!" or they're a reporter (or Conrad).

It's not like Shep's identity would've been a secret!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:10 .

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oblivious wrote...
For you looks may be fun. But for me, military guys, and the guys still in this thread "realism" is fun. We like realism, we like practicality, and we like lore. To us this is fun, and to break those 3 things by adding long hair for no reason other than people wanted it is a really bad idea.

But you can avoid the hair. Like you already probably avoid the alien romances, and Shep being rude to his superiors. It needn't affect your enjoyment at all.

Like I meant to demonstrate with my biker, nerd, and transvestite Shepard options are not always good. Sometimes they are, but not always. This "hippy-hair" option is a perfect example of that. I wear glasses real-life despite being in the military. Do I want Shepard to wear glasses also? No. Why? Because he's special forces and that requires 20/20 vision. If Shepard wore glasses that would break my immersion.

[Ryzaki]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

You always have a comeback. No I don't hate long hair in the civilian world its just when it unkeep looking like someone put a mop on ur head looks disgusting:sick:. It kind of makes you like u don't care IMO.

That was a joke.

Though...ew...nasty dirty smelly hair is disgusting no matter the length. it being longer just means there's more to gag over.

[naledgeborn]

I don't I just enjoy some of the.... that comes from these forums. Like ponytail Shepard.

[Abispa]

Chest hair. Beards. Leg hair. Back hair. Ear hair. Nose hair. Bikini spiders. This is an RPG. It's all about choices, dammit!

[Ryzaki]

Oblivious wrote...
Like I meant to demonstrate with my biker, nerd, and transvestite Shepard options are not always good. Sometimes they are, but not always. This "hippy-hair" option is a perfect example of that. I wear glasses real-life despite being in the military. Do I want Shepard to wear glasses also? No. Why? Because he's special forces and that requires 20/20 vision. If Shepard wore glasses that would break my immersion.

The option not being good to you doesn't automatically make it a bad option.

And I wish people would stop calling it hippy hair. Having long hair does not make you a hippie.

Except there's no proof that his hair couldn't be long (as well as it was well maintained and clean) in the ME universe's military. And actually given how gender neutral the military is in the ME universe I wouldn't be surprised if standards for males and females were neigh identical. And since FemShep can apparently have long flowing locks...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 02:14 .