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Which Dragon age origin character had more involvement in the story?
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 02:13
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Which dragon age origin characters had the most to do with the stories plot? Were some origins more important then others?
And remember (those of you in the U.S.) your free to voice your opinion but everyone will hate you for it.
And remember (those of you in the U.S.) your free to voice your opinion but everyone will hate you for it.
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 02:45
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Alright then...
The human noble seems to be one of the more important one as the person who betrays you is one of the major antagonists and you have a reason to hate howe while to everyone else howe is just generic enemy number 235. Awakening also seems to favor the human noble by introducing the party member that is a howe, someone you could hold a grudge against because of his father while other wardens are like "oh look a party member."
Nothing really? Huh... Oh well.
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Probably too busy hating on DA2...
I'm getting more comments on the poll page...
The human noble seems to be one of the more important one as the person who betrays you is one of the major antagonists and you have a reason to hate howe while to everyone else howe is just generic enemy number 235. Awakening also seems to favor the human noble by introducing the party member that is a howe, someone you could hold a grudge against because of his father while other wardens are like "oh look a party member."
Nothing really? Huh... Oh well.
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Probably too busy hating on DA2...
I'm getting more comments on the poll page...
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 03:52
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Bah, sorry. I overlooked your link in the poll comments section. Also, you'll have to forgive the lack of responses, as this particular forum is somewhat slow-moving.
Anyway, though I agree with your assessment of the HN origin's villain, I'd say the DN has many compelling reasons to hate (or support, depending on how you play the character) Bhelen - much more so than characters of other origins. It certainly adds a whole new layer to Paragon of Her Kind.
It's also my personal favorite origin, if not the most realistic and well-integrated in terms of the main storyline - but I digress.
Also, I'll paste my response to your comment in the poll here:
Anyway, though I agree with your assessment of the HN origin's villain, I'd say the DN has many compelling reasons to hate (or support, depending on how you play the character) Bhelen - much more so than characters of other origins. It certainly adds a whole new layer to Paragon of Her Kind.
It's also my personal favorite origin, if not the most realistic and well-integrated in terms of the main storyline - but I digress.
Also, I'll paste my response to your comment in the poll here:
greengoron89 wrote...
In the Dalish origin's defense, it does have some major relevance to the DA mythos - I often cite Tamlen and the DE Wardens' experience with the Eluvian in a theory I have regarding the Golden/Black City.
Those events also have great relevance in Witch Hunt and DA2, and I doubt it will end there.
On the whole though, I think you're right - the origin isn't particularly engaging by itself, and it doesn't integrate well with the rest of the storyline.
No, it's HN or bust - it just makes more sense than any other origin in the grand scheme of things.
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 10:13
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Well, the HN does have the best involvement, I think - as well as the Howe subplot, s/he can also marry Anora or Alistair and become consort.
Both the dwarf origins come into play heavily in Orzammar (other origins won't really get an idea of who to pick without knowing more about the background). The DN does have compelling reasons to hate (or even admire) Bhelen but the DC's sister is also Bhelen's babymama so that is likely to influence who they choose.
The mage origin makes little difference since the free-the-mages boon amounts to nothing when it comes to DA2.
City elf makes no difference either (you can become bann of the alienage - whoop-de-do).
The Dalish origin comes into play more in Witch Hunt (plus there's Velanna) and is nice to import into DA2 because your old clan crops up there.
Both the dwarf origins come into play heavily in Orzammar (other origins won't really get an idea of who to pick without knowing more about the background). The DN does have compelling reasons to hate (or even admire) Bhelen but the DC's sister is also Bhelen's babymama so that is likely to influence who they choose.
The mage origin makes little difference since the free-the-mages boon amounts to nothing when it comes to DA2.
City elf makes no difference either (you can become bann of the alienage - whoop-de-do).
The Dalish origin comes into play more in Witch Hunt (plus there's Velanna) and is nice to import into DA2 because your old clan crops up there.
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 01:14
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The Human Noble is certainly most well-integrated to the scripted climax at the Landsmeet.
I just find that, when playing other Origins, I'm having a different story than that one. They've each got their own themes to work through, and different encounters and adventures take on different meanings as a result.
The turning point for my dwarf commoner, for instance, was talking to Ser Carroll. Yep, the templar high on lyrium who doesn't want to let you get to the Circle Tower. Most of my Wardens blow through that dialogue without a thought, but it was pivotal for my Brosca. Conversely, the Landsmeet that was so important to Cousland was just another check box on her to do list.
That's why I found DAO to have such a high replay value. Even though all the events were mostly the same, they took on different meanings and thematic importances, creating - to my mind - totally different stories for each Warden.
I just find that, when playing other Origins, I'm having a different story than that one. They've each got their own themes to work through, and different encounters and adventures take on different meanings as a result.
The turning point for my dwarf commoner, for instance, was talking to Ser Carroll. Yep, the templar high on lyrium who doesn't want to let you get to the Circle Tower. Most of my Wardens blow through that dialogue without a thought, but it was pivotal for my Brosca. Conversely, the Landsmeet that was so important to Cousland was just another check box on her to do list.
That's why I found DAO to have such a high replay value. Even though all the events were mostly the same, they took on different meanings and thematic importances, creating - to my mind - totally different stories for each Warden.
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 05:02
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I despise to say it, but I do think the HN was the one with the biggest involvment in the main story: Anora/Alistair marriage, Loghain and Howe.
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Posté 12 décembre 2011 - 08:42
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The Dalish Elf origins story has always appealed to me. The Dalish may seem unimportant in the narrow frame of the present day, but their story opens up an interesting window into the past.
Are humans more important than elves to the story? Depends on how one looks at it, I suppose. In the short term it seems to be all about the humans. In the long term, well, who knows?
From a purely visual perspective, I much prefer the Brecelian Woods over any of the other origin landscapes. Much rather be in the woods or poking around in old ruins than be in a tunnel or a tower. The Brecelian Woods hold my interest much more than any of the other landscapes.
Are humans more important than elves to the story? Depends on how one looks at it, I suppose. In the short term it seems to be all about the humans. In the long term, well, who knows?
From a purely visual perspective, I much prefer the Brecelian Woods over any of the other origin landscapes. Much rather be in the woods or poking around in old ruins than be in a tunnel or a tower. The Brecelian Woods hold my interest much more than any of the other landscapes.
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Posté 13 décembre 2011 - 12:08
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To be honest, I have difficulties playing a HN any more. It's my second favorite origin behind the DN, and it's the most emotionally investing of the lot as well.
But the background of the HN... just doesn't lend itself very well to the kind of character I wanted to play as in my past couple of runs. I wanted my Warden to already be an experienced warrior and leader well before joining the Wardens, and to be a pragmatist and unafraid to get his hands dirty... all while simultaneously having a good heart.
I also liked for my character to have made critical mistakes in his past - ones that he feels he must atone for by serving the Wardens and stopping the Blight.
That character to me = Dwarf Noble. That concept just doesn't go together quite as nicely with other origins IMHO.
But the background of the HN... just doesn't lend itself very well to the kind of character I wanted to play as in my past couple of runs. I wanted my Warden to already be an experienced warrior and leader well before joining the Wardens, and to be a pragmatist and unafraid to get his hands dirty... all while simultaneously having a good heart.
I also liked for my character to have made critical mistakes in his past - ones that he feels he must atone for by serving the Wardens and stopping the Blight.
That character to me = Dwarf Noble. That concept just doesn't go together quite as nicely with other origins IMHO.
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Posté 15 décembre 2011 - 04:14
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Hmm. Difficult question. I just finished my 5th origin, the city elf, and I found it a tad dissapointing. The fact that my elf was born in a city didn't seem to matter much, even when I returned to the Alienage. Other than, "Hi, cousin, good to see you again!" there really wasn't much else different than from my other Wardens.
I do agree with you about the HN origin. I felt such pleasure killing Howe (too bad Fergus couldn't be there also). Plus the fact that my character was able to marry Alistair was awesome.
At first the Dalish Warden didn't seem to have that much effect. But I'm glad they got more involvement in Awakening, Witch Hunt and (indirectly) DAII.
And on a side note, I think it's awesome that my Mage Warden and Mage Hawke are cousins. Another reason why I want Hawke and the Warden to meet!
I do agree with you about the HN origin. I felt such pleasure killing Howe (too bad Fergus couldn't be there also). Plus the fact that my character was able to marry Alistair was awesome.
At first the Dalish Warden didn't seem to have that much effect. But I'm glad they got more involvement in Awakening, Witch Hunt and (indirectly) DAII.
And on a side note, I think it's awesome that my Mage Warden and Mage Hawke are cousins. Another reason why I want Hawke and the Warden to meet!
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Posté 18 décembre 2011 - 07:09
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I think HN and DN are probably best represented in game for all the reasons other people posted, coming up with CE in 2nd place. DC and mage are kind of evenish with DE kind of straggling way behind.
To be fair I never could get far with DE and kind of scrapped that warden really early on...
To be fair I never could get far with DE and kind of scrapped that warden really early on...
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Posté 19 décembre 2011 - 01:01
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Hm. Human noble had most involvement in the story... that's why I don't like to play it very much. 
I only started my secound playtrough with Cousland yesterday - only because I want to write femCousland/Zevran romance.
My favourite origin is Elf Mage, precisely because I can roleplay them whichever way I want, and because I like the idea of giving that much power to the person than everyone would normally overlook - an elf and a mage.
I only started my secound playtrough with Cousland yesterday - only because I want to write femCousland/Zevran romance. My favourite origin is Elf Mage, precisely because I can roleplay them whichever way I want, and because I like the idea of giving that much power to the person than everyone would normally overlook - an elf and a mage.
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Posté 19 décembre 2011 - 09:34
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It's unfortunate that the Dalish elf is the least represented. Personally it's my favorite origin.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 08:29
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As a lot of people said, the Human Noble origin seems to have a lot more pull than the others, at least as far as Origins is concerned. The Dwarf origins have even less of a pull than that. Human Mage and Dalish Elf, though, seem to have their fingers in plot threads reaching in the sequel and beyond. City Elf and Elf mage, though, seem to have the least amount of pull out of all of them, but maybe DA3 will change that too.
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Posté 22 décembre 2011 - 03:41
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HN has the most, Dalish has the least.
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Posté 09 janvier 2012 - 03:38
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Well, what I found, playing as different origins, was that the different Wardens are deeply involved in a DIFFERENT PART of the story. A Dwarven Noble will have been framed for (or will have been manipulated and commit) the murder of his brother Trian, and his brother Bhelen, the architect of that scheme, will either assume the throne or die on your blade thanks to your decisions. A Mage will have helped Jowan to flee the mages' tower and destroy his phylactery, which makes the Warden complicit in his later actions in Redcliffe. A City Elf will have met Vaughan Kendalls very early on, and have a closer view of the "elven rebellion." (I don't know about everybody else, but I bathed the Arl of Denerim's estate in blood.)
I did enjoy the Human Noble origin the most, though, it comes with the most satisfying narrative. You get to avenge Highever AND save the kingdom, and maybe enter a loveless marriage of convenience with the woman who may have been behind the murders of the last two kings of Ferelden. Nobility obligates.
I did enjoy the Human Noble origin the most, though, it comes with the most satisfying narrative. You get to avenge Highever AND save the kingdom, and maybe enter a loveless marriage of convenience with the woman who may have been behind the murders of the last two kings of Ferelden. Nobility obligates.
