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[Lawliet89]

Hey everyone

Since some of us have managed to secure the book... and read it before it's even published, we could have some sort of dicussion. I'll share details of the book to whoever is interested.

SPOILER WARNING  - If you do not want to be spoiled with details of the book do not read on. You have been warned.



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Some things we learnt:
- It is possible to reverse the rite of tranquility. I quote "I realised early on that Tranquility wasn't repairable on this side of the Fade. It needed to be done from the other side. A spirit had to bridge the gap - it could only do that if it knew exactly where to look. The Rite renders the Tranqui invisible to spirits." The Rite renders a Tranquil undesirable to a demon because to them, a Tranquil is nothing more than an inanimate object that will resist possession. So by luring a spirit or demon to attempt to possess a Tranquil, the act of trying will bridge the gap between a Tranquil and the Fade and they will be cured.

- The Divine, as we know, is a close friend of Leliana and she is interested in reform for the mages. But traditions and many people who do not share that belief are in her way. In fact, she aids the mages in the book.

- The Seekers of Truth seems to be more complicated than we think. Apparently, some time during the twentieth year of the Divine Age, "the Nevarran Accord was signed [where] the Seekers of Truth lowered [their] banner to serve as the right hand of the Chantry and together, [they] created the Circle of Magi." The Seekers are led by a Lord Seeker and it seems like they are the "overarching" authority of Templars all over Thedas. The Lord Seeker seems to have dominion over all the Kight Commanders and is essentially their "boss". Confusingly, Leliana is also part of the Seekers as is Cassandra Pentaghast but they seem to be another "faction" of the Seekers more loyal to the Divine perhaps. I'm not entirely sure if these are two distinct organisations or factions within the same "Seeker".

 - All the Circle of Magi in Thedas has rebelled.  The Seekers, or at least those who control the Templars, have decided to declare the Nevarran Accord (above) null and void since there is no more Circle. They have also decided to divorce themselves from the Chantry seeing that the Divine helped the mages. 


If you have any questions, just ask me. I'm too lazy to type a synopsis of the book =P

Modificata da Lawliet89, 12 dicembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Tommyspa]

How would you describe Rhys?

[Arken]

Very interesting. I get the feeling Bioware included being able to reverse a tranquil for a reason.

It's most likely to allow an explanation for Feynriel if he is in future games as a companion. This just makes it more and more clear Bioware will have Feynriel as our companion regardless of what Hawke did to him.

My question: How would you describe Shale's attitude towards mages in this book? The same or more open?

[Mr.House]

Lawliet89 wrote...

Hey everyone

Since some of us have managed to secure the book... and read it before it's even published, we could have some sort of dicussion. I'll share details of the book to whoever is interested.

SPOILER WARNING  - If you do not want to be spoiled with details of the book do not read on. You have been warned.



==================================================================================

Some things we learnt:
- It is possible to reverse the rite of tranquility. I quote "I realised early on that Tranquility wasn't repairable on this side of the Fade. It needed to be done from the other side. A spirit had to bridge the gap - it could only do that if it knew exactly where to look. The Rite renders the Tranqui invisible to spirits." The Rite renders a Tranquil undesirable to a demon because to them, a Tranquil is nothing more than an inanimate object that will resist possession. So by luring a spirit or demon to attempt to possess a Tranquil, the act of trying will bridge the gap between a Tranquil and the Fade and they will be cured.

- The Divine, as we know, is a close friend of Leliana and she is interested in reform for the mages. But traditions and many people who do not share that belief are in her way. In fact, she aids the mages in the book.

- The Seekers of Truth seems to be more complicated than we think. Apparently, some time during the twentieth year of the Divine Age, "the Nevarran Accord was signed [where] the Seekers of Truth lowered [their] banner to serve as the right hand of the Chantry and together, [they] created the Circle of Magi." The Seekers are led by a Lord Seeker and it seems like they are the "overarching" authority of Templars all over Thedas. The Lord Seeker seems to have dominion over all the Kight Commanders and is essentially their "boss". Confusingly, Leliana is also part of the Seekers as is Cassandra Pentaghast but they seem to be another "faction" of the Seekers more loyal to the Divine perhaps. I'm not entirely sure if these are two distinct organisations or factions within the same "Seeker".

 - All the Circle of Magi in Thedas has rebelled.  The Seekers, or at least those who control the Templars, have decided to declare the Nevarran Accord (above) null and void since there is no more Circle. They have also decided to divorce themselves from the Chantry seeing that the Divine helped the mages. 


If you have any questions, just ask me. I'm too lazy to type a synopsis of the book =P

:O:wizard::wub:

[jlb524]

Thanks for this, Lawliet...now I really want to read this.

[rak72]

Smooth move murder knifing your buddy Karl, Anders

[jlb524]

Does the book explain how the Divine goes from trying to crush the mage rebellion in Kirkwall to supporting them in their struggle for freedom?

[Mr.House]

rak72 wrote...

Smooth move murder knifing your buddy Karl, Anders

Yes because you know, Anders knew it was possible and didn't hear Karl BEG to be killed.

[rak72]

Mr.House wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Smooth move murder knifing your buddy Karl, Anders

Yes because you know, Anders knew it was possible and didn't hear Karl BEG to be killed.

My Hawke told him not to do it, but of course, he always knows whats best for everyone & he did it anyway.

[bleetman]

Sweet.

I find the revelation that Tranquility can be reversed interesting, to say the least. Partly because it actually includes some specifics as to what Tranquility actually does, and part because omgoshyoucanreverseit? Doesn't sound like it's either easy or remotely safe, mind.

[Mr.House]

rak72 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Smooth move murder knifing your buddy Karl, Anders

Yes because you know, Anders knew it was possible and didn't hear Karl BEG to be killed.

My Hawke told him not to do it, but of course, he always knows whats best for everyone & he did it anyway.

Let me say it again, maybe this time you will get it through your thick head.

Anders did not know it was possible to cure it and his lover was begging him to kill him.

[bleetman]

rak72 wrote...

My Hawke told him not to do it, but of course, he always knows whats best for everyone & he did it anyway.

I'm not sure why Anders ought to listen to Hawke, who he just met, over his past lover who's pleading to be euthanised.

[edit] Mmm. I'm currently wondering if they're setting up that 'you can cure Tranquility, but it's hella dangerous dawg' thing in preperation to present that exact scenario to the player one day, where they have to decide if they want to attempt trying to reverse a Tranquil'd mage companion at the risk of them being possessed. And if not, they totally should.

Modificata da bleetman, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[TEWR]

I've had a funny feeling for a long while now that the RoT could be reversed. Good to know that I was right.

[rak72]

Mr.House wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Smooth move murder knifing your buddy Karl, Anders

Yes because you know, Anders knew it was possible and didn't hear Karl BEG to be killed.

My Hawke told him not to do it, but of course, he always knows whats best for everyone & he did it anyway.

Let me say it again, maybe this time you will get it through your thick head.

Anders did not know it was possible to cure it and his lover was begging him to kill him.

Perhapd Anders should have let it sink in through HIS thick head , that  tranquility  isn't as permanant as it may seem, when Karl snaped out of it.

And instead of being a jerkass  to me anytime you see me post something, why don't you just simply not read my posts.

Modificata da rak72, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...

Sweet.

I find the revelation that Tranquility can be reversed interesting, to say the least. Partly because it actually includes some specifics as to what Tranquility actually does, and part because omgoshyoucanreverseit? Doesn't sound like it's either easy or remotely safe, mind.

I'd imagine it involves:

1)  Sending a mage into the Fade
2)  Having said mage find a demon/spirit and convince it to attempt possession of the tranquil mage.

I've always wondered why killing Merrill in the Fade doesn't render her tranquil.  Now I wonder how that would fit into this revelation (must think on this).

[Mr.House]

rak72 wrote...

Perhapd Anders should have let it sink in through HIS thick head , that perhaps tranquility isn't as permanant as it may seem, when Karl snaped out of it.

And instead of being a jerkass  to me anytime you see me post something, why don't you just simply not read my posts.

How am I being a jerkass? I just told you to get it through your thick head. Maybe you should stop overreacting.

Modificata da Mr.House, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[rak72]

Mr.House wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Perhapd Anders should have let it sink in through HIS thick head , that perhaps tranquility isn't as permanant as it may seem, when Karl snaped out of it.

And instead of being a jerkass  to me anytime you see me post something, why don't you just simply not read my posts.

How am I being a jerkass? I just told you to get it through your thick head. Maybe you should stop overreating.

That's very rude.  I never have personally insulted you in any way.  When I make my comments, they are directed at the game or characters in the game.  This is not the first time you have said something rude that was personally directed at me, and I've often seen you do it to others that do not agree with your glorious opinions.  Grow up

Modificata da rak72, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[TEWR]

jlb524 wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Sweet.

I find the revelation that Tranquility can be reversed interesting, to say the least. Partly because it actually includes some specifics as to what Tranquility actually does, and part because omgoshyoucanreverseit? Doesn't sound like it's either easy or remotely safe, mind.

I'd imagine it involves:

1)  Sending a mage into the Fade
2)  Having said mage find a demon/spirit and convince it to attempt possession of the tranquil mage.

I've always wondered why killing Merrill in the Fade doesn't render her tranquil.  Now I wonder how that would fit into this revelation (must think on this).

I always thought that because it was a manifestation of Feynriel's thoughts, only Feynriel could be made Tranquil in that particular area.

And it definitely would be tough. You have to risk being possessed by a demon yourself or put up a convincing argument for a spirit to even consider it.

edit: or Hawke just sort of gave them wake-up slaps and didn't kill them.

Modificata da The Ethereal Writer Redux, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Brockololly]

Lawliet89 wrote...
 - All the Circle of Magi in Thedas has rebelled.  The Seekers, or at least those who control the Templars, have decided to declare the Nevarran Accord (above) null and void since there is no more Circle. They have also decided to divorce themselves from the Chantry seeing that the Divine helped the mages.

Does the book go into detail as to why every Circle in Thedas rebels at the same time? Thats something that bugged me at the end of DA2, as its not like its a world of instant communication where you'd think rebellion like that would spread fast necessarily.

Does it explain what sort of rebellion the mages are undertaking? I mean, are we talking massive armies of mages trying to establish an independent Mage state or just a bunch of hipster, emo mages like Anders doing random acts of violence with no apparent thought as to a realistic end goal?

Is there one big event in the book that precipitates every Circle going into rebellion, or are we supposed to think that what Anders did in DA2 was enough?


So (correct me if I'm wrong), basically by the end of the book:

All of the Mage Circles have rebelled all across Thedas (why?). The Chantry, due in large part to the Divine's pro mage attitude, basically splinters, with only one faction of Seekers (Leliana and Cassandra's group) still supporting the Divine and another faction of Seekers basically dissociating themselves from the Divine.

So do the Seekers basically end up taking the Templars with them when they rebel? So you have Seekers and Templars no longer affiliated with the Chantry going against the rebel mages, while the Divine and her smaller group of Seekers supports the mage rebellion? Or is the Divine and her part of the Chantry rendered powerless once the mages rebel and the Seekers break off?


You mentioned in the other thread that they go to the Western Approach and up to the Abyssal Reach. Do they describe the geography or environment of that region? Is it like a desert, cold, dry...?

And who exactly is travelling across the Western Approach and why? Do they have some final destination they're trying to reach out west?

[bleetman]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And it definitely would be tough. You have to risk being possessed by a demon yourself or put up a convincing argument for a spirit to even consider it.

Not to mention somehow interrupting the process, and doing so at a point where the Tranquility is broken but the person in question isn't actually possessed.

I do wonder if one of those benevolent spirit types could be convinced to make an attempt in such a way that it breaks without actually going through with the possession, but then there's the slight difficulty of actually finding one, I suppose.

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I always thought that because it was a manifestation of Feynriel's thoughts, only Feynriel could be made Tranquil in that particular area.

It's still the Fade.  

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
edit: or Hawke just sort of gave them wake-up slaps and didn't kill them.

Yeah..perhaps the companions don't fully 'die'.

bleetman wrote...

I do wonder if one of those benevolent spirit types could be convinced to make an attempt in such a way that it breaks without actually going through with the possession, but then there's the slight difficulty of actually finding one, I suppose.

Yes...they would be hard to find.

Demons would practically line up to help you...they're so nice XD

Modificata da jlb524, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:12 .

[TEWR]

bleetman wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And it definitely would be tough. You have to risk being possessed by a demon yourself or put up a convincing argument for a spirit to even consider it.

Not to mention somehow interrupting the process, and doing so at a point where the Tranquility is broken but the person in question isn't actually possessed.

I do wonder if one of those benevolent spirit types could be convinced to make an attempt in such a way that it breaks without actually going through with the possession, but then there's the slight difficulty of actually finding one, I suppose.

You'd probably have to find one of Compassion or Generosity.

Chances are though it'll be nigh impossible to find the Good Samaritan of the Fade.

[bleetman]

Could always be because Feynriel was a dreamer, and thus his connection to the Fade is different. I mean, it's mentioned that he and others like him have the capability to kill others in their dreams, but I'm assuming not everyone who just has a nightmare dies.

Or... something. I really ought to leave all this hypothetical theorycrafting to Ethereal Writer.

Modificata da bleetman, 12 dicembre 2011 - 04:14 .

[Zjarcal]

I love what I'm reading here. DA3 can't come soon enough... ok, not true, they should take their time, but still, I'm eager to see how all of this plays out.

[Mr.House]

Zjarcal wrote...

I love what I'm reading here. DA3 can't come soon enough... ok, not true, they should take their time, but still, I'm eager to see how all of this plays out.

I can wait three years :happy: