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[Urzon]

Gervaise wrote...
Nothing that we have previously been told about magic can be taken as absolute - freed of the Circle, mages may well discover new types of magic or recover old ones.

Thats going to be interesting to see. I wonder if they can finally going to start pulling in the different mage specs from DAO, since all the Circle Mages seem to be either a: generic mage, spirit healer, force mage, or secretly a blood mage. If the mages are going to war, I can easily see them start to reinvent the different specs.

Maybe a regiment of mages that rediscover the magics behind the Arcane Warrior? So they can fight toe to toe, sword to sword with the templar forces.

They can finally do away with the laws against shapeshifting. Birds make excellent spies after all.

I can see Ines (Wynne's friend from DAA) having the closest thing to a Keeper's spells in the Circle. I'm sure she has alot of spells that deal with plants, trees, and earth. I'm rooting (lol) for an spell that creates a earth golem with a tiny flower on top of his head, and I will name it Daisy!

Illusion magic might go on the rise as well. They can use it to hide the enterances to their bases (if not the whole base), and it can be really useful in battle as well, as seen by the Mad Hermit.

[KJandrew]

I liked Lambert in this, he felt like the kind of person I wished they'd made Meredith. He wasn't insane, he was given a credible reason to think magic will corrupt and can't be left on its own. And he didn't make hugely odd decisions like annulling a circle because of what an apostate did. He has an open rebellion on his hands yet all he does is place those responsible in cells rather than killing everything.

[WardenKing]

Gervaise wrote...

Alot of things were left open at the end, no doubt because they will be covered in DA3.
The empire of Orlais is in meltdown - that much is clear. Whether anyone else will take advantage of this - Qunari or Tevinter is a matter of speculation.
Empress Celene may or may not be dead - possibly finding out what has happend to her will be a quest.
Divine Justina is presumably still alive but quite possibly somewhere other than Val Royeaux. Clearly some Seekers/templars are still loyal to her.
Mages have opted for war but dug in at Andoral's Reach awaiting developments - good defensible position but miles from anywhere and may be difficult to keep supplied.
Templars have probably lost their main leader but may well have been replaced by one of the other Knight Commanders or even Ser Arnaud. However, this may have halted an immediate assault on the mages.
Nothing that we have previously been told about magic can be taken as absolute - freed of the Circle, mages may well discover new types of magic or recover old ones.
As for Cole, his true nature is anyone's guess but I suspect he is likely to turn up in DA3 too.

Hm interesting, you make many good points and it will be awesome to see what happens in DA3, thats for sure.
I really hope though that Lord Seeker Lambert will be in the new game, he was a cool character. And Cole well, he kinda seems like the spirit Justice to me..but I dont know, maybe he is something more then that, hey, what if he was Morrgain`s mysterious god child? lol doubt it xD. I for once cannot wait to meet Empress Celene in the game, she seems like an interesting character, just hope she is not dead.

[Morroian]

Ser Bard wrote...

It seems to imply Lambert's death but leaves it open, maybe in case BW decide to use him in DA3?

Either way he can't be in charge of the Seekers any more because they wouldn't be doing what they are doing in the framing story for DA2 if he was in charge.

Modifié par Morroian, 19 janvier 2012 - 09:53 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Another thing about Asunder, why the hell does Adrian become a First Enchanter? We have bull-headed Fiona as Grand Enchanter, and HER as a First Enchanter? I think that settles it. Libertarian mages are wholly incapable of being reasonable, rational people.

[Gervaise]

Adrian isn't a First Enchanter, she's the leader of the Libertarians because she's pushy and has a big mouth and doesn't like anyone else telling her what to do. She gets to go to the First Enchanters meeting because she's been sucking up to Fiona and because she was part of Wynne's trip. Then at Andoral's Reach she gets to vote because it is now based on leaders of fraternities rather than First Enchanters, since several of the latter are now dead, although I think that would still leave more First Enchanters than leaders of fraternities, but there you go. It was never adequately explained why Adrian and Rhys become the de facto leaders of their respective fraternities representing all Circles rather than just the White Spire, when there are other more senior mages present, for example Irving. Much as I enjoyed Asunder, I must admit the leadership of the mages left a lot to be desired and how it came about was puzzling to say the least.

The Grand Enchanter is meant to represent all mages and is their advocate with the Divine, but Fiona has clearly never even met Justina, since after saying "F**k the Divine," she goes on to say "I'm certain the Divine is very nice person," which is the sort of language you use when you don't know them personally but are just trying to placate those who were offended by her first statement. So really much of the story Wynne is playing more the role of Grand Enchanter and it is clear that she has great influence with the mages because otherwise Adrian wouldn't have thought it necessary to frame Rhys.

I only hope that the mages sort themselves out a really capable set of war leaders because Adrian would be an absolute disaster and Rhys not much better. As for Fiona, I hope she remembers that unlike darkspawn, her new enemies are likely to have brains.

[Rinshikai]

Gervaise wrote...

Adrian isn't a First Enchanter, she's the leader of the Libertarians because she's pushy and has a big mouth and doesn't like anyone else telling her what to do. She gets to go to the First Enchanters meeting because she's been sucking up to Fiona and because she was part of Wynne's trip. Then at Andoral's Reach she gets to vote because it is now based on leaders of fraternities rather than First Enchanters, since several of the latter are now dead, although I think that would still leave more First Enchanters than leaders of fraternities, but there you go. It was never adequately explained why Adrian and Rhys become the de facto leaders of their respective fraternities representing all Circles rather than just the White Spire, when there are other more senior mages present, for example Irving. Much as I enjoyed Asunder, I must admit the leadership of the mages left a lot to be desired and how it came about was puzzling to say the least.

The Grand Enchanter is meant to represent all mages and is their advocate with the Divine, but Fiona has clearly never even met Justina, since after saying "F**k the Divine," she goes on to say "I'm certain the Divine is very nice person," which is the sort of language you use when you don't know them personally but are just trying to placate those who were offended by her first statement. So really much of the story Wynne is playing more the role of Grand Enchanter and it is clear that she has great influence with the mages because otherwise Adrian wouldn't have thought it necessary to frame Rhys.

I only hope that the mages sort themselves out a really capable set of war leaders because Adrian would be an absolute disaster and Rhys not much better. As for Fiona, I hope she remembers that unlike darkspawn, her new enemies are likely to have brains.

I disagree with you on the point that Wynne has great influence among the mages. Overall I feel that she has lost a great deal of repect from her fellows since the time of the last conclave. Her actions at the the start of the book show us that  she is trying to teach them about the dangers of magic and that they must earn their place, but unlike many in the Circles Wynne has had more freedem then they have. I know she earned them by working for the Chantry, but how many mages have had the same chances that she got. Even through Wynne desired change I feel that she was not willing to fight for it, until it affects her life directly.


During the meeting, Fiona talks about how Wynne made promises at the last meeting, yet she has yet to fufill what she promised. I know that this will sound disrepectful to say this about Wynne but I feel that she has become more of a tool for the Chantry and Justinia. She feels closer to a Loyalist then a Aequitarian by this point. Overall it feels like she is not representing the mages as a whole. Fiona on the other hand is in my view speaking from a mages perspective rather then one from the Chantry which I believe Wynne is doing.

Even if Adian did not frame Rhy I could see the Lord Seeker locking them up anyway beacuse they where not talking about the RoT.

Just to make one point about Fiona, she did fight the Architect, a very cunning Darkspawn who was able to manipulate the First Enchanter during The Calling.  

[The dead fish]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Another thing about Asunder, why the hell does Adrian become a First Enchanter? We have bull-headed Fiona as Grand Enchanter, and HER as a First Enchanter? I think that settles it. Libertarian mages are wholly incapable of being reasonable, rational people.

I agree that the libertarians are unreasonable people,  but I do not agree to say that they are not rational because of that choice, on the opposite, they did a good choice. Your point is irrelevant if you think about it in general.

You are at war. When you're at war, you take the one that is the most resolved, that proved its determination by its act, and will not weaken face to the enemy. It is too late to think about something reasonable and they don't want to be reasonable, if it means everything but their freedom.  We are in a war that no longer meets the established rules.

You do not need a leader reasonable and more moderate. The goal now is to survive against an enemy who will try to eradicate them, they must destroy their enemy before they destroy them. They are free, the goal is now to preserve this freedom by any means necessary. You must have the good leader for these dark times, to fight and to preserve your people.

In short, Adrian, in war time, will be a good leader for me.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 janvier 2012 - 08:25 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Sylvianus wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Another thing about Asunder, why the hell does Adrian become a First Enchanter? We have bull-headed Fiona as Grand Enchanter, and HER as a First Enchanter? I think that settles it. Libertarian mages are wholly incapable of being reasonable, rational people.

I agree that the libertarians are unreasonable people,  but I do not agree to say that they are not rational because of that choice, on the opposite, they did a good choice. Your point is irrelevant if you think about it in general.

You are at war. When you're at war, you take the one that is the most resolved, that proved its determination by its act, and will not weaken face to the enemy. It is too late to think about something reasonable and they don't want to be reasonable, if it means everything but their freedom.  We are in a war that no longer meets the established rules.

You do not need a leader reasonable and more moderate. The goal now is to survive against an enemy who will try to eradicate them, they must destroy their enemy before they destroy them. They are free, the goal is now to preserve this freedom by any means necessary. You must have the good leader for these dark times, to fight and to preserve your people.

In short, Adrian, in war time, will be a good leader for me.

Adrian will likely provoke the Templars to fight to the death, to be honest, and the mages will never be able to fight the Templars alone for very long. Her bloody-minded personality will likely do more harm than good in the long run. War is about carving out alliances, treaties, securing supplies, keeping armies together and morale strong, not simply killing everything in front of you. Adrian might be good as a very minor commander, someone whose job, and one job is to kill ****. But for grander strategy, I wouldn't trust her, or Fiona, or any Libertarian for that matter. They fit the stereotype of the lunatic mage freedom fighter a little too closely. No one would dare align with the mages if their greater war leaders were insistent, for example, on blood magic.

If A Song of Ice and Fire, for example, has demonstrated anything, it's that hotheaded people make poor strategists. The mages need a Wellington, not a Leeroy Jenkins.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:15 .

[The dead fish]

Adrian will likely provoke the Templars to fight to the death, to be honest, and the mages will never be able to fight the Templars alone for very long. Her bloody-minded personality will likely do more harm than good in the long run.

Yes,  she wants to fight them to the death, until no one threats their freedom. That's precisely why they chose her, and why it's a good choice. Churchill, that was the same, they knew he would fight to the death.

Adrian provoked the war, because she especially thought that was their last chance to launch the revolution. Now, that's totally different since that's the war currently, since she is not anymore somewhere she sees mages without life and resigned to their fate in their prison. She never demonstrated that she was dumb enough to not think about strategy in wartime.

Thanks to her, there is war between the two sides, all mages voted freedom and fighting, as she exactly planned. She succeeded to convince Fiona,  she knows where is the best interest for mages when it's about fighting or pratical use of magic ( something against tranquility. ) She showed her ability to be smart, to plan strategy, and she is cunning.

Also, The choice of the leader has nothing to do with that. You cannot appoint a leader for the war, thinking about peace. The goal is to survive first. Otherwise, Winston Churchill against the ****s would never have been appointed Prime Minister. He was appointed only for one thing, to win against the ****s, with the force of his unwavering determination and boundless energy. Nobody knew if he would be a good commander, good in strategy, or cunning.

Adrian has never shown any hostility towards normal citizens, unless they were hostile against the mages. She can fully decide to ally with those who support the Mages. She has no reason to be against that, if the goal she wants achieved is supported.

Of course she does not want an alliance with the Templars, and the chantry. But it is a war of survival. You cannot decide to take the risk of ally with your worst enemy when you have responsibility for hundreds of lives. Treason is a very expensive price to pay if you're naive enough to risk you there. There could be many spies.

To ally with some of the chantry may be a risk to take, but it is understandable that she would refuse any alliance with them. And to be honest, I'm not sure that libertarians would follow that.

For the other mages, as long as they want to fight, it's about war, she has no reasons not to ally with them against a common enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Moreover, her ambition is the union of all mages in a single combat, against their natural enemies. So as long as peace with the ennemy isn't planned, I don't see why she could do more harm. And, since, mages dont think peace is possible according to their new will, to be free, there is no problem to choose her, because the Templars will never accept this will actually. Or they think so legitimately.

She could do more harm in the end of that war, but I am convinced she could do many things well during that war.

War is about carving out alliances, treaties, securing supplies, keeping armies together and morale strong, not simply killing everything in front of you. Adrian might be good as a very minor commander, someone whose job, and one job is to kill ****. But for grander strategy, I wouldn't trust her, or Fiona, or any Libertarian for that matter. They fit the stereotype of the lunatic mage freedom fighter a little too closely. No one would dare align with the mages if their greater war leaders were insistent, for example, on blood magic.

 I don't think that mages will fight like traditional warfare, morever, she won't be alone, there will be certainly smarts people at her side. 

Also thanks to her, there is war, as she exactly planned. She succeeded to influence Fiona, she knows where is the best interest for mages when it's about fighting. She showed  her ability to be smart, to plan strategy, and she is cunning to me. So I see that she can be also good in stategy.

Adrian is not lunatic, when it comes to thinking about concrete plans. The only thing that obsessed her in this book, was to provoke the revolution, was to break the circle system, she did. The revolution is launched, she is free like all the mages, not anymore obsessed about that.  Now that everything has begun, she has no reason to be obsessed, she can concentrate on the war. Adrian always focused on the objectives to be met, to achieve her goal despite obsessed with her ideals.

If there isn't peace project with the enemy, I don't see her at all losing her control. The most important for her is to see the mages fighting for their freedom, their lives. I had also that impression that in the end, face to all the lives lost, she learned something. Maybe she will be more mature, or at least more careful.

Also, Adrian has already been chief among the Libertarian, not officially (since it was normally another mage, but he has disappeared in front of her) but by the force of her personality. It's already a proof of her ability to command, to unite the masses behind her, when it's about fighting an enemy and to defeat it, again the only thing that counts in a war of survival.

For blood magic, she didn't use it, not even for her own goals. So of course, if blood magic requires significant progress, then any mage can see the usefulness of blood magic, even Rhys who isn't a libertarian. All those mages non andrastian too. The fact that she isn't a blood mage is already something important for me.  Yet it is easy, especially among the libertarian. Any mage can fall quickly in this trap.

At any rate, considering the characteristic of Libertarians very belligerent, I'm not surprised that they chose Adrian.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:31 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

It's not an alliance with the Templars, but an alliance with noblemen. How will she feed her troops, and keep them supplied, if the door of every city, every town, and every farmhold is closed to her troop? Fighting a total war against the Templars is impractical for the mages precisely because they do not have any infrastructure to fall back on. They will be starved out, or worn down due to attrition. Moreover, allying with the Chantry is the only way to score any kind of advantage in propaganda. This is a world war, and while fighting will be necessary, but without the ablity to be a diplomat, she will get nowhere. She will throw mages into meaningless fights and they will all die. Either that, or they will have to ally with Tevinter and become magisters and thus become blood mages.

It's not about whether she started the war. Killing enough Templars or Chantry priests would have done that, especially with someone like Lambert is in charge. But how about compromising her "FREEDOM NOW!" rhetoric in the short term for a compromise with Ferelden or Nevarrra, or the Free Marches, that, while not entirely to the mages' benefit, would be somewhat good for them, and would bring victory in the future. She doesn't play the long game. Starting the war is not the long game. She started the way and now the entire College of Magi is holed up in a single fortress that can easily be starved out. She didn't think that through, did she? The long game is winning the war, and the long game for the mages does not include total war until they have propaganda on their side, until they have an infrastructure on their side.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[The dead fish]

It's not an alliance with the Templars, but an alliance with noblemen.

I didn't ready anything that said she was against the noblemen. Only the Templars and the chantry, she can't trust them, and what she lived during the last year was the critical point to make her believe that. If some noblemens want to help the mages, I don't see her against that. Also, now I remember, If she couldn't stand alliance with anyone that isn't a mage, she wouldn't let Evangeline ( templar )  alive, or would say something, no matter how she would be protected by Rhys. She dislikes her, but I think that according to Adrian's eyes, Evangeline proved she could trust her a bit unlike all other templars.

How will she feed her troops, and keep them supplied, if the door of every city, every town, and every farmhold is closed to her troop?

I am pretty sure it is easy for a mage, to feed itself. But anyways, like I said, it is unlikely that this war will be like any traditional war.

fighting a total war against the Templars is impractical for the mages precisely because they do not have any infrastructure to fall back on. They will be starved out, or worn down due to attrition. Moreover, allying with the Chantry is the only way to score any kind of advantage in propaganda. This is a world war, and while fighting will be necessary, but without the ablity to be a diplomat, she will get nowhere. She will throw mages into meaningless fights and they will all die

You cannot speculate like that anymore. The Mages had no chance of winning against the Templars, they won in Kirkwall in my playthroughts, or they were very difficult to kill if your ending is that of Templar . They won also in this book. We cannot say what we have always said, anything can happen now. Things move quickly. Saying that mages are going to lose if they fight to the death, is only speculation. To be honest, it is very likely for me that the templars could be destroyed or defeated.

Unlike mages, Templars have no ideals that raises their heart, they are morally confused. ( compassion for mages, feel to be the bad guys, not comfortable with the atmoshere room) They are completely divided, the chantry is losing control on a part of them. Some Templars begin to attack other Templars.

There is no unified command. No more cohesion. Total debacle. Total confusion. How can they fight a war correctly against mages when they don't know what the hell is going on now and where they are going with themself ? Especially when the chantry has shown so much sympathy lately to the mages, while she has to promote the faith that will give to the Templar spiritual strength to fight them ?

Now, see, on the other hand, mages are united, are ready to fight, something to fight for and even seem to have already organized between them, for a final independence.

In view of this, I would say that mages seem strategically better off than the Templars.

Never trust a libertarian. They are always evil with a capital E.

Well, I can agree with that. But you argued about Libertarians wholly incapable of being rational and reasonable because of their choice. From your anti-mage / Libertarian point of view, that seems normal not to choose Adrian, but from their point of view, that seems a very good choice. She could be good leader for them.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:18 .

[HiroVoid]

Of course, one problem is Templars can recruit new members. You can't just make new mages.

[The dead fish]

Templars must be educated very young, 12 to 13 years. They must be taught the art of the sword, the discipline, the rigor of Andrastian education. They must learn to counteract the magic and it takes years.

A quick and bland recruitment wouldn't change anything if we are talking about fighting magic on equal foots. Templars are also addicted to the lyrium. If their resources are cut, they won't be able to fight. And given the deplorable state in which is the chantry, I'm not sure that she is able to keep these resources safely lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 janvier 2012 - 11:11 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Sylvianus wrote...

Templars must be educated very young, 12 to 13 years. They must be taught the art of the sword, the discipline, the rigor of Andrastian education. They must learn to counteract the magic and it takes years.

A quick and bland recruitment wouldn't change anything if we are talking about fighting magic on equal foots. Templars are also addicted to the lyrium. If their resources are cut, they won't be able to fight. And given the deplorable state in which is the chantry, I'm not sure that she is able to keep these resources safely lol.

Yes, but who will the people and noblemen trust more, at least initially? The mages would set the countryside on fire or the templars trying to stop them. Then, those, say, 1000 mages, are up against 2-3000 Templars and perhaps a levie of 10,000 footmen. One can afford to lose 500 regulars. One cannot afford to lose 500 mages in one battle. The mages will always, always lose a war of attrition simply because training a mage takes a lifetime of study and training, while holding a sword does not. It's the difference between a longbow and a crossbow. One is considerably more powerful, but the logistics of fielding soldiers who know how to use them also more complicated.

Also, finding ways to feed troops and keep supply lines open is not "traditional warfare." That's the basics of pretty much every war that has ever been fought or will ever be fought. If your troops are starving, you will lose.

[Sons of Horus]

I have a query. Did Fiona cause the circle treaty with the wardens to end ? If so wouldn’t she be hunted down like Anders by the grey wardens ? Somehow I don't think that the first warden of Weisshaupt Fortress is going to leave even ex-grey wardens roaming about causing chaos that may hurt their cause.
The Anderfels may even go to war over this.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Sons of Horus wrote...

I have a query. Did Fiona cause the circle treaty with the wardens to end ? If so wouldn’t she be hunted down like Anders by the grey wardens ? Somehow I don't think that the first warden of Weisshaupt Fortress is going to leave even ex-grey wardens roaming about causing chaos that may hurt their cause.
The Anderfels may even go to war over this.

That's actually a good question. Even though the Wardens would have a vested interest in keeping a supply of mages around to fight darkspawn, they're still sticklers about remaining "neutral." Fiona likely alienated her old allies in the Wardens by leading the Circle to war, dissolving the Circle even. They might even try to do some rules lawyering and say, because the Circle made the treaty with the Wardens and the Circle is now dissolved, their agreement is now void. Plus, the Wardens can always get mages from Tevinter.

[TEWR]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Sons of Horus wrote...

I have a query. Did Fiona cause the circle treaty with the wardens to end ? If so wouldn’t she be hunted down like Anders by the grey wardens ? Somehow I don't think that the first warden of Weisshaupt Fortress is going to leave even ex-grey wardens roaming about causing chaos that may hurt their cause.
The Anderfels may even go to war over this.

That's actually a good question. Even though the Wardens would have a vested interest in keeping a supply of mages around to fight darkspawn, they're still sticklers about remaining "neutral." Fiona likely alienated her old allies in the Wardens by leading the Circle to war, dissolving the Circle even. They might even try to do some rules lawyering and say, because the Circle made the treaty with the Wardens and the Circle is now dissolved, their agreement is now void. Plus, the Wardens can always get mages from Tevinter.

I don't know how neutral the Wardens are going to be since someone is moving against them.

[Sons of Horus]

Aye it kind of makes me think I may have inadvertently signed Carver/Bethany Hawke’s death warrant if the first warden decided that they have acted improper when heading to their sibling side during Ander's pyrotechnics . After the Legacy incident, I would have thought some one within the grey wardens would be watching them at the very least.

As for the people moving against the grey wardens, they now more than enough ammunition to set back the hero of Ferelden work in Amaranthine. It seems that only two stable wardens who have "left" the Order are Alistair and the Hero of Ferelden.

Modifié par Sons of Horus, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[Gervaise]

I would point out that it was due neither to Adrian or Fiona that the mages are now in the situation they are in but actually the Divine. They were locked up and awaiting likely execution until her agent, Lelianna, helped with the rescue mission and I presume also suggested the flight to Andoral's Reach. It was not a foregone conclusion that the mages voted to fight, in fact until Rhys cast his vote, it looked likely they were going to surrender. This means that a great many mages have been sucked into the war against their wishes simply because Fiona declared "All for one and one for all". It remains to be seen whether the "leadership" of the rebellion in Andoral's Reach will carry the rest of the mages with them in the long term and this is not something that is going to be resolved quickly. Many will be stuck many miles from the headquarters and having to make the best of it they can fighting guerilla tactics. Some may still opt to do a deal with their local chantry or local nobles.

Andoral's Reach is said to be very defensible but even Lambert was considering starving them out rather than a full frontal assault. Think ancient Jerusalem during their revolt against Rome. The latter just dug in around the site and then waited, while inside people starved and the various factions dissolved into infighting. Whatever else they are, the templars are a military unit and those supporting the drive against the mages will not have forgotten their army discipline. There has always likely been a large number of younger members of noble families among their rank, so funds should not be an issue for them even if they are completely cut off from the Chantry. I would imagine that many peasant would also happily contribute to the war effort, given the fear and mistrust of mages that has been instilled over the years. The saving grace for the mages is that Orlais is in meltdown and much resources will have been diverted to the various factions participating in that, but of course that may impact on the mages ability to obtain supplies as well.

There is also the problem of it being an old Tevinter fortress. Experience thus far has shown that anything associated with ancient Tevinter seems to have a very thin veil and any more bloodshed in the vicinity may weaken it still further - so the mages will have to watch their backs. .

It will be interesting to see which way the Grey Wardens jump on this one. I imagine they will remain strictly neutral but use the opportunity to "recruit" mages on the run. However, I would like it explained how Anders and Fiona apparently got to leave their ranks without any repercussions. Initially Anders said he chose Kirkwall because of the distance from grey warden bases but during the course of the game there were three possible occasions when he could be brought to their attention but no one followed up on it. Fiona became a high profile Grand Enchanter so it is hardly likely they would not know her location. So presumably she left the wardens with their blessing. Did they know what her agenda would be? If they did, then may be they will not remain neutral but will actively assist the mages. That would open up the possibility of the mages being supplied via the Deep Roads.

[FutureVirus]

Maybe Flemeth will assist the mages? She will have a better Grand Entchanter position then Fiona.
Special if Morrigan will show up, she will fight the templars no matter what.

Modifié par FutureVirus, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:13 .

[labargegrrrl]

Fiona...Anders... possibly a Hawke sibling? "The involvement of the Grey Wardens makes perfect sense."

[Wulfram]

Sylvianus wrote...

You cannot speculate like that anymore. The Mages had no chance of winning against the Templars, they won in Kirkwall in my playthroughts

No they didn't.  They got trounced, Orsino went crazy and the Champion ran away with their tail between their legs.

[tek427]

Okay, I admit I didn't read all 25 pages of posts, so I suppose I'll give my thoughts on the book in two words: HOLY CRAP. Gaider did a good job of keeping me hooked on the book, especially the end. I kept Wynne alive throughout all of my DA:O playthroughs so I seriously wanted to cry when she died (for real this time!). Cole is still a mystery to me. Is he really a just a spirit taken on Cole's mortal form? Was it really necessary to kill those mages? Did he really kill Lambert? I doubt it. I'm sure Lambert will come back in some form in the future (perhaps as a secondary antagonist behind Flemeth?).

Oh, Adrian. I wish Rhys had shoved you off that tower. I had a feeling at the beginning that she would be trouble in some form. She's just like Anders. By any means to an end.

I was hoping for some clue as to the reason behind Hawke/the Warden's dissapearance. Sadly I was dissapointed. But still, this does set the stage for DAIII, I can feel it.