The (temporary) solution, not the cure, is called a working Prothean stasis pod.
It would give Thane the time needed.
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A cure for Thane, Aye or Nay?
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#76
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:13
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>OP.
The (temporary) solution, not the cure, is called a working Prothean stasis pod.
It would give Thane the time needed.
The (temporary) solution, not the cure, is called a working Prothean stasis pod.
It would give Thane the time needed.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:15
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How can you save him? I thought Kai Leng takes care of him no matter what you try.
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#78
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:25
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Cosmochyck wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
I say no cure. He knew he was dying and flat out announces it before he even joins our squad in ME2. Anyone getting into a romance with him already know it's going to end in some form of tragedy.
Plus, I thought his deathbed scene with Shepard and Koliat praying for Shepard's sins was so moving that I shed a few tears. That scene was so powerful that I honestly think it would be cheapened if there was an option to save his life from Kepler's Syndrome.
Choice for a cure.
Yes, we knew he was dying. He knew he was dying. Yet he tells you that the hanar are working on a cure, and in the LoTSB, we find out he's a candidate for a lung transplant. Having him automatically die is the easy way out.
I didn't find the scene powerful at all, especially as ALL Sheps get the prayer. There was no unique dialogue for a romanced Thane. They had him do a complete 180 from what he expressed he wanted in ME2. He did not want to die in a hospital, and if you romanced him, he didn't want to die at all. He no longer was comfortable with his own death. And yet, first encounter, he's all ok with it AND IN A HOSPITAL. HELLO CONTINUITY??
So, a choice to save him does not make the story less poignant, or less tragic. And "true art is angsty?" Please. I'm sure there are a lot of artists that would disagree.
Here, Here!! Quoted for Truth!
I keep thinking that the way the whole death scene was handled, DOES leave room (in my deluded mind), for a.....ugh...good way to word this......new lease on life for Thane?? Ok, that didn't quite work. I guess I'm trying to fumble with the fact that his hospital stay (since it does NOT follow the character arc if romanced/friended with a succesful LM) could have been about the Hanar cure, or the lung-medigel treatment, or even recovering from a lung transplant. Now I know many would wonder, "Why the hell would he not tell Shepard about this." Answer....I don't know! But! I am not a BW writer......I truly believe that they could come up with something. Hell, given another booze....I mean time.....I (and others here) could come up with some very plausible reasons ourselves. In fact, I believe @little vixen (sorry if I got the name wrong...eeek), came up with a great story hook for a cured/life extended Thane.
Choice of one, does NOT negate the choice of others! Support for Choices in our RPG's!!!!!!
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:32
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Cure.
It's Mr.Thane Krios, not Mr.Kepr Al Syndrome.
- Thane was a fascinating character with a well-thought-out and developed past and personality. And while the Kepral's Syndrome perhaps adds to the urgency of his character, most of his fans have never defined himself by it. He was a Drell, a child taking part in the Compact, an assassin for the Hanar Illuminated Primacy, a lover of reading, a husband, a father, a reader of philosophy, a widower, and an absentee-by-necessity father, all before he was a man dying of Keprals.
At the end of the romance in ME 2, it was satisfying to see Thane stop defining himself by it. That was his character arch: he no longer believed or could accept that he was the equivalent of a dead man walking because of the disease. He had something to live for; his son and Shepard. For the first time ever since he had met Irikah and lost her, he wanted to live. A mental victory over the Syndrome at the very least.
When found on the Citadel in ME3, his being was entirely defined by his severely advanced Kepral's Syndrome. The majority of his only conversation with Shepard, romanced or otherwise, was about the disease. He didn't die because of Kai Leng (had he gotten that wound without Kepral's he would have been fine after surgery, as the doctor noted) but because of Kepral's Syndrome. Even if Shepard didn't find him at Huerta hospital, and consequently didn't get involved with assassination attempt? He still died of Keprals. He didn't want to die in a hospital bed, as said in his Lair of the Shadow Broker Letter, and yet, that is where and how he died.
When people say, "The whole point of his character was that he was dying," well those people are patently wrong. And having written him that way in ME3 was worse.
What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Is she only the disease? Did she cease to be a person once she was diagnosed with it? Has she lost all facets of her personality because she is now a dying woman? Of course not. Why should it be any different with Thane? I only bring this up because I am, of course, not the only one who is watching a loved one suffer from a terrible, debilitating illness. For those of us who are or have, there was a strong connection with Shepard. That made Thane's death all the more terrible to watch. We did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.
What Was Particularly Depressing: Thane's Death Broke Suspension of Disbelief
- "Giving him the option to live undercuts his death."
Does the option to save Jack at Grissom Academy negate the effect of her gruesome transformation and manipulation at the hands of Cerberus? Does the option to tip off Miranda about Kai-Leng undercut the scene where she dies in Shepard's arms? Does the sacrifice/Warden death ending of Dragon Age: Origins cancel out the effect of the coronation ceremony? No. It's just an option! In a a game that is purportedly about options! In a game such as this, it is indeed possible to please everyone, just offer more than one option! Why didn't people who wanted to save Thane have that option?
Directly after being recruited in ME2, during the first conversation on the Normandy, Thane mentioned that the Hanar were working on a cure; he just didn't expect that he would live long enough to benefit from it. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Thane's dossier showed that he was an eligible transplant candidate: it was possible for Thane to receive a transplant that would extend his life. There would not need to be a miracle cure because there was already one in the works by the Hanar. In addition, the CDN mentioned a new medigel for the lungs that would revolutionize internal medicine; I hope I need not explain how this could immediately benefit Thane. This felt like a particular nod to Thane fans, because an article talking about medigel for the lungs would only be of interest to Thane fans and no other portions of the fan base.
Unlike the game endings, there was setup here. The pieces were all in place. It wouldn't be a deus ex machina, people could look back at the game and see the trail that lead from there to a cured, or at least, surviving Thane. An expedient cure wasn't even necessary, if the disease was just stabilized, it would have been enough for us to hope that he would live long enough to receive the Hanar cure.
And yet, all that foreshadowing was dismissed. What was given to us in ME3 was a slap in the face. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information to support their claim, but hope born of game-provided evidence. If Thane was always slated to die, why give fans any hope at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure? Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3" banner, giving more hope to fans?
His unavoidable death was all the more bitter because we believed, in a universe were cancer had been beaten; in a universe where death, however costly had been surmounted; in a universe where the Genophage, a product of years and many individuals' labor could be reversed by one, (despite supposedly being years away from a cure in ME2) that Thane's life could have been extended, and that his death could have been avoided.
It's Mr.Thane Krios, not Mr.Kepr Al Syndrome.
- Thane was a fascinating character with a well-thought-out and developed past and personality. And while the Kepral's Syndrome perhaps adds to the urgency of his character, most of his fans have never defined himself by it. He was a Drell, a child taking part in the Compact, an assassin for the Hanar Illuminated Primacy, a lover of reading, a husband, a father, a reader of philosophy, a widower, and an absentee-by-necessity father, all before he was a man dying of Keprals.
At the end of the romance in ME 2, it was satisfying to see Thane stop defining himself by it. That was his character arch: he no longer believed or could accept that he was the equivalent of a dead man walking because of the disease. He had something to live for; his son and Shepard. For the first time ever since he had met Irikah and lost her, he wanted to live. A mental victory over the Syndrome at the very least.
When found on the Citadel in ME3, his being was entirely defined by his severely advanced Kepral's Syndrome. The majority of his only conversation with Shepard, romanced or otherwise, was about the disease. He didn't die because of Kai Leng (had he gotten that wound without Kepral's he would have been fine after surgery, as the doctor noted) but because of Kepral's Syndrome. Even if Shepard didn't find him at Huerta hospital, and consequently didn't get involved with assassination attempt? He still died of Keprals. He didn't want to die in a hospital bed, as said in his Lair of the Shadow Broker Letter, and yet, that is where and how he died.
When people say, "The whole point of his character was that he was dying," well those people are patently wrong. And having written him that way in ME3 was worse.
What kind of message is, "dying people are what disease they have?" My mother is dying of pancreatic cancer. Is she only the disease? Did she cease to be a person once she was diagnosed with it? Has she lost all facets of her personality because she is now a dying woman? Of course not. Why should it be any different with Thane? I only bring this up because I am, of course, not the only one who is watching a loved one suffer from a terrible, debilitating illness. For those of us who are or have, there was a strong connection with Shepard. That made Thane's death all the more terrible to watch. We did not need the message that, "sometimes, things are out of your control" or "sometimes, people close to you die." Many of us are living that reality, and certainly do not need a second dose of it in the video games we play for recreation. It could have and should have been handled with more care, more respect.
What Was Particularly Depressing: Thane's Death Broke Suspension of Disbelief
- "Giving him the option to live undercuts his death."
Does the option to save Jack at Grissom Academy negate the effect of her gruesome transformation and manipulation at the hands of Cerberus? Does the option to tip off Miranda about Kai-Leng undercut the scene where she dies in Shepard's arms? Does the sacrifice/Warden death ending of Dragon Age: Origins cancel out the effect of the coronation ceremony? No. It's just an option! In a a game that is purportedly about options! In a game such as this, it is indeed possible to please everyone, just offer more than one option! Why didn't people who wanted to save Thane have that option?
Directly after being recruited in ME2, during the first conversation on the Normandy, Thane mentioned that the Hanar were working on a cure; he just didn't expect that he would live long enough to benefit from it. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Thane's dossier showed that he was an eligible transplant candidate: it was possible for Thane to receive a transplant that would extend his life. There would not need to be a miracle cure because there was already one in the works by the Hanar. In addition, the CDN mentioned a new medigel for the lungs that would revolutionize internal medicine; I hope I need not explain how this could immediately benefit Thane. This felt like a particular nod to Thane fans, because an article talking about medigel for the lungs would only be of interest to Thane fans and no other portions of the fan base.
Unlike the game endings, there was setup here. The pieces were all in place. It wouldn't be a deus ex machina, people could look back at the game and see the trail that lead from there to a cured, or at least, surviving Thane. An expedient cure wasn't even necessary, if the disease was just stabilized, it would have been enough for us to hope that he would live long enough to receive the Hanar cure.
And yet, all that foreshadowing was dismissed. What was given to us in ME3 was a slap in the face. There was hope; not hope from desperate fans reaching for any half-baked scrap of information to support their claim, but hope born of game-provided evidence. If Thane was always slated to die, why give fans any hope at all? Why have Thane mention that the Hanar were working on a cure? Why put in Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier that he was an eligible transplant candidate? Why release on the CDN information about a medigel for the lungs, when that information would only be of interest to a select group of the fan base? Why recognize the "Cure Thane in ME3" banner, giving more hope to fans?
His unavoidable death was all the more bitter because we believed, in a universe were cancer had been beaten; in a universe where death, however costly had been surmounted; in a universe where the Genophage, a product of years and many individuals' labor could be reversed by one, (despite supposedly being years away from a cure in ME2) that Thane's life could have been extended, and that his death could have been avoided.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:35
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We could always call Cerberus or Miranda.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:36
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Regardless to whether it was a 'cure' mission. Thane needed more content in ME3 anyway, he pushed to the side and forgot about.
(I say cure loosely as Kepral's syndrome is based off cystic fibrosis, which is incurable)
(I say cure loosely as Kepral's syndrome is based off cystic fibrosis, which is incurable)
#82
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:38
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My only regret is that I cannot put a bullet in his head myself. So nope.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:39
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Of course there should be a choice. The utterly pathetic and lame way that the romance arc with Thane was handled in ME3 is yet another reason why his death should never have been forced.
To everyone who says 'yay' I say - I bet if there was a convoluted choice to save him it would not ruin your enjoyment of the game. The fact that there is no choice has ruined my enjoyment of the game... so yay, you won, good for you... thanks
To everyone who says 'yay' I say - I bet if there was a convoluted choice to save him it would not ruin your enjoyment of the game. The fact that there is no choice has ruined my enjoyment of the game... so yay, you won, good for you... thanks
#84
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:42
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Nay
Broker terminals in ME2 say he was offered treatment and turned it down. Let him rest
Broker terminals in ME2 say he was offered treatment and turned it down. Let him rest
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:44
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There should be an option for a cure or extension. You don't have to take it if you don't want to. A person isn't defined by their illness. They can be shaped by it, which Thane has been. But that's not a reason why he should just up and die without any option to try and save him.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:47
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NO - (without spoilers) the way that Thane's story was handled in ME3 was one of the most touching parts of the entire game.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:47
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We should definitely get a cure!
I don't understand why people would say no to one. If you don't want Thane alive simply don't use it, but for those of us who want him to live should at least get the option.
I don't understand why people would say no to one. If you don't want Thane alive simply don't use it, but for those of us who want him to live should at least get the option.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:48
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nikola8 wrote...
NO - (without spoilers) the way that Thane's story was handled in ME3 was one of the most touching parts of the entire game.
It was disgusting if you romanced him. And even if you didn't romance him, after he died, no one, no one but Kai-Leng ever talked about him afterwards. He completely ceased to exist.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:51
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Wow. Some people really think his death was touching? Really? Then I would guess you've never watched a loved one suffer. Or perhaps you are the type to pull wings off a fly. Who knows.
Yes, we should have been given the *choice* to cure him. But really, what do our choices matter in the Mass Effect universe.
Yes, we should have been given the *choice* to cure him. But really, what do our choices matter in the Mass Effect universe.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:52
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I got to say no. He was always dying, that was part of the beauty of his character. I expected him to die in 2 really. Finding a magical cure would be kind of stupid to my mind.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:53
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Yes for a cure please.
Thane's character was treated horribly and if there is an option to have a cure for him let those of us who want it use it and those who don't not use it..we would like the option please.
Thane's character was treated horribly and if there is an option to have a cure for him let those of us who want it use it and those who don't not use it..we would like the option please.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:02
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I thought Thane himself turned down a cure though?
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:03
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Random citizen wrote...
>OP.
The (temporary) solution, not the cure, is called a working Prothean stasis pod.
It would give Thane the time needed.
GENIUS IDEA. You win the internet today.
@Walrusninja - Thane stated that he didn't want Shepard or anyone on the Normandy to concern themselves as it was "being attended to" - the hanar had funded a project to adapt the drell to their humid environment. He never said he didn't want to be cured, he just assumed he wouldn't live long enough to see it. He only said no to the lung transplant, but again, before Shep gave him a reason to live.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:16
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I vote that a cure could have been worked in for those players who wanted and asked for it. Many other characters had vastly different outcomes to their stories depending on player's choices, Thane's should have too.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:17
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He also wasn't in a relationship with Shep then either. He does not want to die at the end of ME2.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:23
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I'd really like an option for a cure or not.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:23
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The colourful and interesting character. I would like it to cure! It is a pity that to it haven't given chance of life. So yes, I will tell to cure!!!
P.S. Excuse for my English.
P.S. Excuse for my English.
#99
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:27
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No, his condition makes the universe seem more real, that even with all this amazing technology, they still can't cure all diseases.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:29
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Merwanor wrote...
No, his condition makes the universe seem more real, that even with all this amazing technology, they still can't cure all diseases.
is the real world not real enough for ya?
