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[Julia_xo]

G3rman wrote...
All assuming that the time window for transplants was still open by ME3, his Kepral's shows how far gone it is by saying he was given three months to live 9 months ago.  I'm sure if he wasn't as fit as he was, he would have been dead long before.

Again you are assuming Liara isn't just saying that to comfort you.  People tend to cushion the truth for comfort.  It all comes down to fans scrapping at information and putting it together in a way that makes it seem like Thane has a real chance.

When dealing with life or death in ME you shouldn't and don't always have a choice.  Thane is a reminder of that, fans just don't like their romance being used as that poster boy even though he was always lined up to die.  99% of the time Shepard dies in the end, where is the choice in that? Thane should be the deciding factor in whether he gets to live or die, not Shepard's influence.  They wrote him as taking a peaceful death.

He accepted his fate, why can't the rest of you?

Firstly, Liara isn't the one who said "Thane's Kepral's isn't bad yet". Shepard is the one who says that to Liara.

And the 3 months to live 9 months ago dialouge doesn't even happen until ME3 when the devs had already decided they were going to kill him off. Before ME3, they had given themselves leeway to take the story in either direction.

The reason fans can't accept it is because we were stripped of options and Thane's character did a 180 to accomodate the single outcome we were railroaded into. His death has no closure if you romanced him. It was handled badly and so people are upset. Is it really a surprise?

It's funny you'd even mention the endings, because the majority of fans are  raging over it and demanding an alternative endings DLC. I haven't seen much "acceptance" of the endings.

Modifié par Julia_xo, 19 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[utaker1988]

I'm all for a choice and what does it hurt others who feel otherwise? Just don't ever choose that option. Just as I don't let the opportunity to shoot Kaidan pass me by, it doesn't diminish anyone else's game or their storyline if I choose to always gun him down in mine.

[Hebiss]

YES!
It's possible to bring back Shep (his\\her brain was dead for god sake!)
It's possible to have sex with Tali (no immunity, ring the bell?)
It's possible to cure the krogan in few weeks (!!), using some "magic dust" in AIR.
It's possible to mix organic and machine in one.
And you going to tell me, that cure for Thane is impossible? You care about your favourite Shepard, and I care about my Shep AND my favourite LI!

[stwu]

YEA! Give us a choice at least. It's a pretty simple thing to do.
I bet some of them wouldn't be so gung-ho for Thane's death if it was their LI. Bioware completely rewrote his character,pushed him to the sideline, for what? Multiplayer, sexbot EDI.

[Jenlocks]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Jenlocks wrote...

Doesn't Thane say in ME2 that all drell end up getting Keprals?

No.

Ah yes he doesn't say that what I must have been thinking of is the codex where it was talking about Kepral's Syndrome being the leading cause of death on Kahje.

Still would be nice to cure the disease

[LucyMaire]

Hebiss wrote...

YES!
It's possible to bring back Shep (hisher brain was dead for god sake!)
It's possible to have sex with Tali (no immunity, ring the bell?)
It's possible to cure the krogan in few weeks (!!), using some "magic dust" in AIR.
It's possible to mix organic and machine in one.
And you going to tell me, that cure for Thane is impossible? You care about your favourite Shepard, and I care about my Shep AND my favourite LI!

EXACTLY!!! You can bring Shepard back to life but you can't cure lung disease?! And the genophage lasted for centuries. It was a *miracle* that we were able to cure it just in days. Why can't we have something to cure one of the best characters?
Not one of the other LI's was killed. For everyone else, there is a CHOICE. We want that choice!! I want my Shepard to be happy before she goes off into Hell to fight the reapers!! But Thane was killed and there was absolutely no acknowledgement of it from ANYONE.
It's not fair. Like people have been saying, it wouldn't effect anyone in a bad way if there was an option to save him. They could just choose to focus on more important things (the reaper invasion.) I was so hopeful we would have that option in this game. It was bs that we got one lousy conversation, and then he died. He deserved better!!

[Straw_foot]

I say nay, his death made sense and was an awesome way for him to go out. He acted in character, fought hard, and the part with the prayer was perfect writing.

[Enmystic]

G3rman wrote...

There is no try in video games. Players would be more outraged if they get a choice to try and save him and it fails, regardless.

And how do you know this? 

It depends on the writing whether or not the choices given ends up becoming an "illusionary choice" or not. 

Thane could've had a choice.  It wouldn't have been unbelieveable and it wouldn't have belittled anything his story stood for if written correctly.

[LucyMaire]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Visii wrote...
Why should everyone else get a chance at being saved but not Thane?

Because Thane wasn't an important character . He was just there for fanbase, its why he was an LI.

Of course Thane was an important character, that's ridiculous. That's like saying Ashley/Kaidan wasn't an important character. They weren't technically necessary for the plot, but who cares? A character that's there because they're a good, interesting character doesn't mean they're not important. Thane was a main character in ME2 and he has a strong fan base. Who's your favorite LI? How would you feel if you had one conversation with them, and then they died?
I don't know about you, but it makes me feel incredibly disappointed.

Modifié par LucyMaire, 19 mars 2012 - 09:36 .

[Prism]

No. I mean, does death not mean anything anymore? You meet Thane and a large part of his personality and your view of him is shaped by his imminent death.
He died a good death, keep it as it is.

[mythlover20]

Yes. IF he was romanced!

Despite what people think it would not be a cop-out for a character who had come to want to live to find a way to survive. By the end of ME2 he is distinctly uncomfortable with his own death, all acceptance has flown out the window, and we are all given clues as to exactly HOW he will survive. The fact that he he seemingly just up and changes his mind is a kick in the guts.

Besides, what we want is the CHOICE to save him. He could still die in the fight with Kai Leng. Give us a sidemission! That way people who want him to die will die, and those who want to save him will save him. Either way he likely won't be in the squad, because he'd still have to recover from the sword wound.

And this notion that a choice will diminish the poincy when he dies? BULL. ****. Knowing that Mordin lived in another playthrough didn't stop me from bawling my eyes out for an HOUR after he died. It wouldn't have stopped me from bawling my eyes out for ANOTHER HOUR if Thane had the option. (Yes, Mordin can live, IF you killl Wrex, destroy Maelon's data, Let Eve Die, don't mention the cure in the truck or to Eve, and convince Mordin that sabotaging the cure is the right course of action. And you get GREAT dialogue during that convincing. Really, great dialogue!)

Also, I noticed on the first page someone saying something about "true art is angsty".

*Edited out slap upside the back of the head*

What the f*ck are you? 12? True art is EMOTIONAL, not angsty. True art is designed to ellicit a specific emotion in regards to a specific social situation, in order to bring to light social and human issues that you otherwise would ignore and make you THINK ABOUT THEM! It is a tool of enlightenment, not fulfill some preconceived notion of misery and depression. Gods, seriously!

[dragonflight288]

dragonflight288 wrote...

sorry, you are wrong, he does say that they are working on a treatment. He was eligible for a Lung transplant (before being romanced) and had refused it. After falling in love it's hardly a stretch that he may have wished to re-think this.

He is no longer at peace with his death when romanced, it's the core of the romance scene... you really don't know anything about Thane's romance do you?smilie

You're right. I don't. I have never romanced Thane. This just goes on to show how varied the game experience can be who have walked different paths. Thanks for letting me know about that. I hadn't previously.

Let me amend my position, in the case of a Shepard who has never romanced Thane, a cure should not be an option at all. His death scene would be cheapened because those (like myself) who never learned that information would find his acceptance of his inevitable demise to be a wonderful part of his character.

I'll have to see his romance scene with Shepard and how much that changes before I speculate any further on that regard, and thereby put my foot in my mouth.

Thank you for having an open mind on this. It's far better than most.

I try. I have been calling out for civility and respectful disagreements for the past couple of days. Even started a thread on it (largely ignored.) My mind is we are all fans of the same game, a game full of choices, characters we love, characters we love to hate, and the fact that we can debate this only shows how much we all love the characters in our own way.

I developed my opinion based on what I saw in the game, and other gamers took such a completely different path that they had completely different conversations and character story arches that it leads to these kinds of discussions. I saw one thing and formed an opinion on that, others saw the same thing from a different angle, and formed their opinions based on that.

But the whole prayer scene on Thane's deathbed was beautifully written and had me, a 24 year old male about to graduate college, about in tears. No other game has ever gotten me so emotionally connected to the characters, and the only other ones that came close were also made by Bioware (Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Knights of the Old Republic)

[Xeyska]

A cure for Thane would be absolutely wonderful, but seeing how Bioware handled him in ME3. I don't trust they would get it right.

[vasht]

PrimalEden wrote...

Aye! I do want him cured! Thane dying just when the Hanar found a cure is just too cruel!!!!!

no way, did that actually happen?

ahahaha

[jakal66]

Although I'd like to see this happen, I am 100% sure it won't...so no.

[Cyansomnia]

I want the choice to be present. If you want to cure Thane, you can. If you dont want to, don't. Considering what they did to his romance in ME3 and the terrible mistakes they made, I believe it would be a nice way of making it up to his fans.

This is supposed to be a game about choices, which you GET those choices regarding a lot of other characters. His death is the only one actually forced on us.

[RyuujinZERO]

Treating Keprals Syndrome is one thing, but you need a cure for swords too (He's quite allergic)

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 19 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[Chignon]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I want the choice to be present. If you want to cure Thane, you can. If you dont want to, don't. Considering what they did to his romance in ME3 and the terrible mistakes they made, I believe it would be a nice way of making it up to his fans.

This is supposed to be a game about choices, which you GET those choices regarding a lot of other characters. His death is the only one actually forced on us.

QFT

[Mr.House]

No thank you. His role in ME3 was fine, I don't see the complaints. You know what you where getting into by romancing a sick and dying man. You also make out with him in the hospital and the scene after a certain event is very touching if you romanced him. Thane is fine as he is, no point changing it. If anything they should you know, fix Jacob who got it the worse.

Modifié par Mr.House, 19 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[thehomeworld]

No but they should however expand his romance you can kiss him twice at the hospital it should be at least four times to have moments with him beyond a kiss. Everytime VS emails you and says come see me that is alo the players cue that Thane too will have new content you go to talk to him and you get moments with him he's worried for you, or feeling very bad that day and you have to try to comfort him and get help, his version of a break date take her up to the hospital roof to take it easy,ect the last one (#4) would be available anytime before the citadel is attacked he has a heart to hear in his room with fshep a moment that would be something appropriate and maybe a bit sweet then the citadel is attacked and he dies and fshep has issues after she leaves his death bed and maybe Liara comforts her on this.

[bazzag]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I want the choice to be present. If you want to cure Thane, you can. If you dont want to, don't. Considering what they did to his romance in ME3 and the terrible mistakes they made, I believe it would be a nice way of making it up to his fans.

This is supposed to be a game about choices, which you GET those choices regarding a lot of other characters. His death is the only one actually forced on us.

Can't save legion.
Maybe there should be something there for thane, maybe a LI exclusive thing, (in the same way as talis face reveal, assuming this only occurs if shes your LI) The thing is, i recall talking about his illness in ME2 and he said something along the lines of even though there are treatments, he doesn't want them. I think Thane, being religious, and doing all those dirty deeds for the hanar, and ignoring the teachings when he went on his vendetta against those that killed his wife, has accepted his fate

[Legion64]

A choice is impossible when a cure is impossible.