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[IndigoWolfe]

After much deliberation, I've decided to stick squarely with "no". People who posted on the Thane thread might remember my post about it, hopefully, that is, since I can't seem to locate it.

But as to the "you should have been given an option if you wanted to cure Thane, and if you didn't you could let him die."

Answer me this, if I had the perfectly viable option of curing Thane, why in the heck would I stand over his wheezing, dying body and withhold that cure? The "to cure or not to cure decision" solution makes the assumption that I want Thane to die simply because want him out of my game, which peeves me a little.

[LucyMaire]

Well I think some people prefer that heroic death. I also think it would make sense if there would be some repercussion to saving him (which I would be glad to take.)

[Visii]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

After much deliberation, I've decided to stick squarely with "no". People who posted on the Thane thread might remember my post about it, hopefully, that is, since I can't seem to locate it.

But as to the "you should have been given an option if you wanted to cure Thane, and if you didn't you could let him die."

Answer me this, if I had the perfectly viable option of curing Thane, why in the heck would I stand over his wheezing, dying body and withhold that cure? The "to cure or not to cure decision" solution makes the assumption that I want Thane to die simply because want him out of my game, which peeves me a little.

For the same reason that you can decide not to go to Grissom academy. You don't go, Jack and student get captured, and Jack gets tortured and indoctrinated.

Make it a quest. If people do a quest, they get the cure for Thane. If they don't do it, he dies the way he did in the game, currently.

[jack of tears]

Nah, I really liked the way Thane went out. He was one of my favorite characters from ME2 and I felt his exit from the story was very appropriate; especially the last scene with the prayer and my final words over him ... you won't be alone for long, my friend.

It was one of the most touching moments in the story for me and I would have it no other way.

[Cyansomnia]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be handed to my Shepard on a silver platter. It has to be something you'd make sacrifices for, have to go through a lot of effort to obtain, etc.

The thing is, I probably would have been OK with him dying if they'd handled it well. They didn't do that. It felt cheap to me. If you romanced him it was even worse, because there was little to no interaction on that front. I was so sorely disappointed with the lack of content in that area it practically ruined the game for me (the endings were just further insult).

THE ROMANCE PART was terrible, really.  I have to keep explaining this to people cause they just don't get it.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 20 mars 2012 - 02:07 .

[jack of tears]

Aislinn Trista wrote...THE ROMANCE PART was terrible, really.  I have to keep explaining this to people cause they just don't get it.

Since I didn't romance Thane I couldn't comment on that; I thought they handled it well otherwise, however. 

[Lytrise]

mayrabgood wrote...

If I had to for my romanced Thane, I would sacrifice my VS (Kaidan) to get the option of having Thane to live. Kind of like another Virmire decision. 

<.<; I'd give up Kaidan or Ash to have Thane back on my team. They can have James too come to think of it.

[Lytrise]

mayrabgood wrote...

Now that I think about it more, I would give up anyone just to get Thane back. Even Garrus  . I love him but I love Thane more. I would give up 2 squadmates for Thane....even 3 or whatever it took.

I’d want to keep Garrus and Tali, but I’d exchange pretty much anyone else. I’d like to have Morden back also, but not as much as Thane.

[Julia_xo]

ThicknSwift wrote...

You can't cure a stab wound with a katana.

He didn't die from the stab wound, really. He died from ~complications~ due to Kepral's Syndrome. If he hadn't been so sick he would have survived the stab wound. D:

[disc0nnect7]

mayrabgood wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be handed to my Shepard on a silver platter. It has to be something you'd make sacrifices for, have to go through a lot of effort to obtain, etc.

The thing is, I probably would have been OK with him dying if they'd handled it well. They didn't do that. It felt cheap to me. If you romanced him it was even worse, because there was little to no interaction on that front. I was so sorely disappointed with the lack of content in that area it practically ruined the game for me (the endings were just further insult).

THE ROMANCE PART was terrible, really.  I have to keep explaining this to people cause they just don't get it.

If I had to for my romanced Thane, I would sacrifice my VS (Kaidan) to get the option of having Thane to live. Kind of like another Virmire decision. 

I agree with both of you ladies, I would choose Thane over Kaiden, no offense to Kaiden fans just my personal choice.

I would also be okay with Thane's death, but to watch him die coughing and gaspin in a hospital bed after being stabbed in the gut is just too much. It's not how Thane wanted to go, it's not how I wanted to see him go. Worst of all you can't tell Thane you love him if he was your LI. You just say you'll meet him across the sea, no tears or hugs or hand holding. There should have been SO much more.

I wanted Thane by my side until the very end, as most probably feel about their LI's. I don't care if he's terminally ill, it's about fighting all odds. It's about hope. Not everyone with an illness should succumb to it, that's an awful thing to think really. I wanted Thane to beat Keprals, to prove his character wasn't defined by his illness.

[lyssalu]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

After much deliberation, I've decided to stick squarely with "no". People who posted on the Thane thread might remember my post about it, hopefully, that is, since I can't seem to locate it.

But as to the "you should have been given an option if you wanted to cure Thane, and if you didn't you could let him die."

Answer me this, if I had the perfectly viable option of curing Thane, why in the heck would I stand over his wheezing, dying body and withhold that cure? The "to cure or not to cure decision" solution makes the assumption that I want Thane to die simply because want him out of my game, which peeves me a little.

well, that's a question you should be asking yourself anyway.  why shouldn't thane be cured?  because death is more meaningful for his character arc, you say?  having the option for him to live or die does not undermine the supposed "importance" you see in his death, the option would just make you feel bad because you let him die when you had other options.  das weird and a cop out and really makes me question the whole "oh his death is so important to the story!" line you people keep on blabbing about.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[utaker1988]

Lytrise wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

If I had to for my romanced Thane, I would sacrifice my VS (Kaidan) to get the option of having Thane to live. Kind of like another Virmire decision. 

<.<; I'd give up Kaidan or Ash to have Thane back on my team. They can have James too come to think of it.

I would get rid of my entire squad to have him back on my team.  Well, might have to keep EDI since she's still part of the Normandy.

[braxy29]

haven't read all the comments, about to go back and look. personally, i would love a cure and i think it could have been well-done, what with all the suggestions that it was possible. but, even if we couldn't get a cure, i just did not think the way his death was handled was in keeping with his story arc. sorry, how to you go from him suddenly having a reason to live, and a letter that says he was unwilling to die in a hospital to his near indifference at the end?

anyway, i don't think it would undermine his story arc to have him survive. his outlook evolved in mass effect 2, and i think he would be grateful for more time with his son if nothing else (not to mention more time in a shepard romance!).

[braxy29]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be handed to my Shepard on a silver platter. It has to be something you'd make sacrifices for, have to go through a lot of effort to obtain, etc.

The thing is, I probably would have been OK with him dying if they'd handled it well. They didn't do that. It felt cheap to me. If you romanced him it was even worse, because there was little to no interaction on that front. I was so sorely disappointed with the lack of content in that area it practically ruined the game for me (the endings were just further insult).

THE ROMANCE PART was terrible, really.  I have to keep explaining this to people cause they just don't get it.

If I had to for my romanced Thane, I would sacrifice my VS (Kaidan) to get the option of having Thane to live. Kind of like another Virmire decision. 

I agree with both of you ladies, I would choose Thane over Kaiden, no offense to Kaiden fans just my personal choice.

I would also be okay with Thane's death, but to watch him die coughing and gaspin in a hospital bed after being stabbed in the gut is just too much. It's not how Thane wanted to go, it's not how I wanted to see him go. Worst of all you can't tell Thane you love him if he was your LI. You just say you'll meet him across the sea, no tears or hugs or hand holding. There should have been SO much more.

I wanted Thane by my side until the very end, as most probably feel about their LI's. I don't care if he's terminally ill, it's about fighting all odds. It's about hope. Not everyone with an illness should succumb to it, that's an awful thing to think really. I wanted Thane to beat Keprals, to prove his character wasn't defined by his illness.

i so agree with both of these comments.  for one thing, part of why i liked thane so well was the conversation.  we barely got any conversation with him, and on the romance front we got a couple kisses and that's it.  why couldn't he have left the hospital for a walk and some talking?  and his cardiovascular health was plenty sufficient for him to be shadow-boxing when we find him and for him to fight off kai leng.  most of all, however, it bothered me that shep seemed so untroubled about his death, and as with other dead characters, the rest of the team barely even commented.  i think garrus said something about having "lost one" for me.

anyway, i read somewhere in the last few days that some bioware somebody said the game's them was about "sacrifice," which was a real shock to me.  maybe i just missed it since i didn't play the first one, but my impression after me2 had been that it was about hope and willingness to fight against all odds.

i could understand if thane was done fighting (though i'm not sure i buy that either) but i don't think he was ready to stop living.  the conversation with the nurse was incredibly frustrating as well, and i felt like the writers were going out of their way to justify the doctor's inability to help him survive longer.

also, (sorry if it has been mentioned on this thread before), i read a comment on some bioware writer's live journal to the effect that thane having been a love interest was basically forgotten when they were writing the game as a result of having such a large writing team.  

[Eowyn77]

I chose Thane as my LI in ME2, #1 because let’s be real here, he was down right sexy, and #2, Kaidan was a serious douche bag and there was no way I was going to be faithful to him.

Having Thane as my LI was so fulfilling. He was the perfect combination of passion and romance mixed with badass dark assassin. I knew he was sick, but that didn’t matter. It didn’t matter because I thought; “they will give us a way to cure him in ME3”. I truly wasn’t worried. I honestly thought there was no way they would not give us a mission to find a cure for him.

Then I played ME3. And I helplessly watched him die. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, the final scene with him in the hospital was hardly compelling. Shepard didn’t even cry. She just lost the man she loved and she couldn't even shed a tear for him? What the bloody hell?? I know that he would have died of the stab wound of course, and as cool as that scene between him and Kai Leng was it could have gone differently. They didn’t have to kill him off so quickly like that.

Aye, a cure for Thane would have been amazing. When he died I really lost most of my passion for the game. Then I got to the end and I wanted to get back the last 50 hours of my life I spent playing it.

Modifié par Eowyn77, 20 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Cyansomnia]

Eowyn77 wrote...

I chose Thane as my LI in ME2, #1 because let’s be real here, he was down right sexy, and #2, Kaidan was a serious douche bag and there was no way I was going to be faithful to him.

Having Thane as my LI was so fulfilling. He was the perfect combination of passion and romance mixed with badass dark assassin. I knew he was sick, but that didn’t matter. It didn’t matter because I thought; “they will give us a way to cure him in ME3”. I truly wasn’t worried. I honestly thought there was no way they would not give us a mission to find a cure for him.

Then I played ME3. And I helplessly watched him die. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, the final scene with him in the hospital was hardly compelling. Shepard didn’t even cry. She just lost the man she loved and she couldn't even shed a tear for him? What the bloody hell?? I know that he would have died of the stab wound of course, and as cool as that scene between him and Kai Leng was it could have gone differently. They didn’t have to kill him off so quickly like that.

Aye, a cure for Thane would have been amazing. When he died I really lost most of my passion for the game. Then I got to the end and I wanted to get back the last 50 hours of my life I spent playing it.

Pretty much how I felt, exactly.  Thank you.  

[Niemalna]

Eowyn77 wrote...

"I knew he was sick, but that didn’t matter. It didn’t matter because I thought; “they will give us a way to cure him in ME3”. I truly wasn’t worried. I honestly thought there was no way they would not give us a mission to find a cure for him."

^snipped.

I agree. Here's a quote from IGN when Thane was made Best Character of the Year. "Romancing him revealed an unexpected layer of complexity. He is easily the most fully realized character in the supporting cast." I more than agree with this. And due to not only his interesting personality, but the way Bioware seemed so proud of him as well! Then the fans didn't fall for him quite like Garrus and so they pushed him back, one of their main poster characters. It's like they hyped him up, then they changed their mind. Perhaps because they lost Chris L'etoile? The reception gave me hope, the significance Bioware themselves put on him gave me hope, and the hints in ME2 and LotSB gave me hope.

STILL, I was aware he was terminally ill. It wasn't somehting they just 'mentioned' in ME2. They made it a core theme. So I was prepared for him to die as well. And I'm okay with that. But I am not okay with the way his arc in ME3 was handled. Maybe it's not as obvious to those who didn't romance him, though even if you didn't, I still felt pretty disappointed in the dialogue. It's still short, even if he's just a 'supporting character'. The fact that they didn't add much difference if you romanced him was beyond disappointing.

When I imported my game, right at the bottom of the decisions list it said, "Romanced Thane in ME2". I was excited.
Looking back, this line was pretty pointless. It didn't make any difference anyways.

Guess we shoulda stuck with VS and Liara, or hopped on Garrus and Tali. These characters are great and certainly popular for a reason, but you could have warned us that you were going to play favorites.

I shuldn't have even bothered with a F!shep. D:

Modifié par Niemalna, 20 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[Niemalna]

FAIL  Repost instead of Edit... xD

Modifié par Niemalna, 20 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[Lytrise]

I’m alright with them having the possibility of them killing him, but they should have at least the ability to have him back and help him also. If they were wanting you to feel the sacrifice, well I don’t feel like a sacrificed anything, I just feel like it all got taken away without any real ability to continue to fight for it. Even if I had to trek all the way across the galaxy, and spend hours at trying to get everything together to fix him I would of done it. Even if it was hard and completely annoying. Even if it involved the mako, I would have been there driving the five ton piece of crap around. I got a bit off point, but what I’m getting at is that I love these characters so much that I would of done whatever it took in order to make it right. I find the fact that there is nothing I can do infuriating. If there was any sacrifice in there at all it would be that they’ve been slowly sacrificing my good will towards them and that I don’t rightly know if I want to replay the game at all.

[cynicalsaint1]

Hell no.
The whole dying thing is what makes Thane an interesting character.
Kind of kills all of that if he just gets made better.

[Miss Krios]

Aye!