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[Gibb_Shepard]

So for those who have read the script, TIM is an all out villain now? No redeeming qualities or morally grey agenda?

[Fiery Phoenix]

didymos1120 wrote...

Complaining? What are you talking about?  And, BTW, if there's any single individual who defines ME (not a position I take myself, but...), it'd be Casey Hudson. It most definitely originated with him. 

I'd give Drew Karpyshyn some credit, too. From what I've read, he was heavily involved in discussions with Casey Hudson (and other writers) and was vital in bringing the universe to life.

[Dave of Canada]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So for those who have read the script, TIM is an all out villain now? No redeeming qualities or morally grey agenda?

Without spoiling everything...
He has Shepard in his grasp and decides to give out a huge speech until Shepard finally breaks free.
He kicks puppies now, essentially doing everything in his power to ****** off Shepard and company.
Cerberus essentially has concentration camps now.

... and more. There's only one redeeming quality about the character now and it's from a story told about Kelly, the agenda (which is grey) is thrown aside relatively quickly and replaced with indoctrination!!!11.

[FoxShadowblade]

I think the OP spends to much time on forums. It's damaging to the perception of the upcoming game.

[didymos1120]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Complaining? What are you talking about?  And, BTW, if there's any single individual who defines ME (not a position I take myself, but...), it'd be Casey Hudson. It most definitely originated with him. 

I'd give Drew Karpyshyn some credit, too. From what I've read, he was heavily involved in discussions with Casey Hudson (and other writers) and was vital in bringing the universe to life.

Like I said, I don't go for the notion that there is any one individual who somehow embodies Mass Effect, that there is anything like an author, but if you had to pick one person out of all who've worked on it, it'd have to be Hudson. Simple fact is, he has the most creative control of anyone on the team, he came up with the basic concept for the series before it was an actual, official project, and it's always been heading for a destination that he chose. 

[AVPen]

 Wow Gatt9... you really took Emperor Palpatine's "Let the hate floooooow through you" speech literally, didn't ya? 

[King Minos]

Part of me hopes Mass Effect 3 fails so the guys at Bioware/EA get it through their skulls that you can not cater to everyone. The other half wants Mass Effect 3 to succeed because it is Mass Effect. The former is the dominant side at the moment.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I've avoided all major spoilers so far and intend to. Yes I'm pretty worried, but that comes with the territory of being horribly cynical. I'll buy it anyway so you win Bioware.

My biggest concern is how the whole Cerberus/TIM thing will be answered. I'm going to be damned pissed if the explanation is just "indoctrination!" or a repeat of Saren's stupid idea.

But don't tell me because if that is the case I intend to be enraged and yelling at my TV before coming here and yelling how Bioware ****ed it up.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 15 décembre 2011 - 07:23 .

[Kidd]

I was originally not worried about anything.

Then the whole "this is a great entry point" thing started. At first I just figured it was marketing talk - who doesn't want to sell their product to new customers? Then I thought back to a trilogy with a massively disappointing end title, Metroid Prime. The plot was more or less ruined by the developers trying to make the game work as a stand alone, so a lot of exposition fans had been waiting for through the years simply never happened.

After that, the confirmation that Beattie isn't coming back to voice Mordin even though the actor seems overtly eager if anything. And BioWare is not commenting on this nor other characters' voices. Whom else got the shaft? Why did the voice director get replaced when we had a very talented one already? Is money being saved on ME3, that final installment in their huge Mass Effect series, and the first game to come out after DA2? Mind you, I adore DA2 so don't colour me a hater here, but seemingly the internet at large had great a many problems with it and methinks it's certainly not in BW's best interests to try to cut costs right after that release. This could potentially be a sign toward many bad things, though I hope it all ends up with Mordin's actor being replaced and that being all there is to it.

[armass]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So for those who have read the script, TIM is an all out villain now? No redeeming qualities or morally grey agenda?

Whatever Jack Harper was before Eva got killed, it's long gone now. He has basically become Saren 2.0, wants power at any cost and humanity to the top, and himself at the top of humanity. Like that wasn't obvious from the end of ME2...

Tim's a manipulator, but what happens when you try to manipulate those that manipulate you better?

Modifié par armass, 15 décembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[Drone223]

armass wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

So for those who have read the script, TIM is an all out villain now? No redeeming qualities or morally grey agenda?

Whatever Jack Harper was before Eva got killed, it's long gone now. He has basically become Saren 2.0, wants power at any cost and humanity to the top, and himself at the top of humanity. Like that wasn't obvious from the end of ME2...

Tim's a manipulator, but what happens when you try to manipulate those that manipulate you better?

I already said this in another thread but i'll say it in this one

It will proberly be more to it than just indoctrination, I could be that TIM's plans for human dominance require's that the Reaper's remain alive the CB tech and Omega are needed for this to work, but with Shepard trying to unit the galaxy to stop them, it create's a problem for TIM's plan so in order for his plan to work he needs to get ride of Shepard 

[Il Divo]

AVPen wrote...

 Wow Gatt9... you really took Emperor Palpatine's "Let the hate floooooow through you" speech literally, didn't ya? 

Especially when you realize that his idea of reusing a character amounts to "I'm a really tough female". I wonder how he's ever been able to enjoy fiction.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Read the script; it's fine. Nothing worse than Benezia's dying speech or the Lazarus project (although it came close; there were a few twists where I wanted to find the writer responsible and slap him/her). There were also parts that legitimately made me laugh, parts that made me almost cry, parts that I didn't see coming, and parts that I could never have predicted, but make so much sense in retrospect that I can't believe I never figured it out.

It will be at least as good as the previous two titles. However, don't expect it to be the same as two previous titles.

Also, the gameplay mechanics are easy to clarify for yourself without plunging too deeply into spoilers. Basically, the shooting's better, and the skill/weapon customization is deeper.

Let me reiterate: IT WILL BE AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THE PREVIOUS TWO. The majority of people who are upset wanted something very specific to happen with the game that disagreed with what the ME3 team wanted (example: Cerberus are bad guys now and heat sinks are still in).

That sounds good. Actually it makes me a little less concered. I really need to stop listening to the complaints of ppl on BSN.

Hellz yeah. I don't think we should fear now.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Geez guys, Ghost Lightning asked for no spoilers on this thread and there's people asking if TIM is a full villain.

[Kaiser Shepard]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Geez guys, Ghost Lightning asked for no spoilers on this thread and there's people asking if TIM is a full villain.

Bioware already confirmed themselves that Cerberus is one of the main enemies of the game...

[Ieldra]

Am I scared? For the whole game, not at all. I expect that it will be very good and bring an epic story to a fitting conclusion.

For Miranda's role, definitely. And I'm not impressed by the core team. At all. None of my favorites is on the team, which is very disappointing.

So I'll expect to play a great story with characters I have a lukewarm appreciation of at most. Enough to get bipolar about Mass Effect 3.

[FlyinElk212]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Am I scared? For the whole game, not at all. I expect that it will be very good and bring an epic story to a fitting conclusion.

For Miranda's role, definitely. And I'm not impressed by the core team. At all. None of my favorites is on the team, which is very disappointing.

So I'll expect to play a great story with characters I have a lukewarm appreciation of at most. Enough to get bipolar about Mass Effect 3.

Agreed--seeing the core team evokes another fear of mine that I think Mass Effect 3 is doing.

The team is eerily reminiscent of Mass Effect 1's squad . One has to wonder if Bioware is just completely ditching the feel and experience of Mass Effect 2 in favor of reverting the series back to Mass Effect 1's experience.

[Mathias]

Stop being scared. Why is everyone so scared that this game isn't gonna be good? Sure there's a few things here and there that can disappoint people but for the most part this game is sounding pretty strong, and a good story is indeed there. The problem is these boards have become a cesspool of negativity, that it's changing a good amount of people's feelings on the game, when it shouldn't.

Mass Effect 1 was amazing. Mass Effect 2, was even more amazing. What do you think the chances are that this game's gonna suck? Slim to none.

[armass]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Am I scared? For the whole game, not at all. I expect that it will be very good and bring an epic story to a fitting conclusion.

For Miranda's role, definitely. And I'm not impressed by the core team. At all. None of my favorites is on the team, which is very disappointing.

So I'll expect to play a great story with characters I have a lukewarm appreciation of at most. Enough to get bipolar about Mass Effect 3.

Agreed--seeing the core team evokes another fear of mine that I think Mass Effect 3 is doing.

The team is eerily reminiscent of Mass Effect 1's squad . One has to wonder if Bioware is just completely ditching the feel and experience of Mass Effect 2 in favor of reverting the series back to Mass Effect 1's experience.

Yes it's mostly ME1 squad, so what? What's wrong with that? It was the original crew, we original fans wanted. Not all started this series with ME2. Of course we cant have Wrex back, because they decided to him to be killable or somekind of krogan king, which is kinda sad. But most of the original crew is back in action.

Modifié par armass, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[Il Divo]

armass wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Am I scared? For the whole game, not at all. I expect that it will be very good and bring an epic story to a fitting conclusion.

For Miranda's role, definitely. And I'm not impressed by the core team. At all. None of my favorites is on the team, which is very disappointing.

So I'll expect to play a great story with characters I have a lukewarm appreciation of at most. Enough to get bipolar about Mass Effect 3.

Agreed--seeing the core team evokes another fear of mine that I think Mass Effect 3 is doing.

The team is eerily reminiscent of Mass Effect 1's squad . One has to wonder if Bioware is just completely ditching the feel and experience of Mass Effect 2 in favor of reverting the series back to Mass Effect 1's experience.

Yes it's mostly ME1 squad, so what? What's wrong with that? It was the original crew, we original fans wanted. Not all started this series with ME2. Of course we cant have Wrex back, because they decided to him to be killable or somekind of krogan king, which is kinda sad. But most of the original crew is back in action.

Well, from a statistical perspective, that does mean those who prefer the ME1 squad have two games with their favorite characters where those who prefer ME2 only have one, which they'd probably be cooler with if this weren't the conclusion to their Shepards + series.

If (for example) the ME1 fan gets a long, satisfying conclusion/dialogue to their relationship with Kaidan, but the ME2 fan gets an optional side mission with Miranda as the full extent of their "interaction", there's really no fixing that. After Mass Effect 2, ME1 fans at least had the hope that Bioware wouldn't sideline their favorites with the third installment.

Edit: Just going to point out that I don't mind what they do, but that is how some are looking at it.

Modifié par Il Divo, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:22 .

[FlyinElk212]

Il Divo wrote...

armass wrote...

Yes it's mostly ME1 squad, so what? What's wrong with that? It was the original crew, we original fans wanted. Not all started this series with ME2. Of course we cant have Wrex back, because they decided to him to be killable or somekind of krogan king, which is kinda sad. But most of the original crew is back in action.

Well, from a statistical perspective, that does mean those who prefer the ME1 squad have two games with their favorite characters where those who prefer ME2 only have one, which they'd probably be cooler with if this weren't the conclusion to their Shepards + series.
 

Well said, Il Divo. Personally, I love both squads, and the composition of the ME3 squad doesn't bother me in itself...

...it's simply the thought that the people placed on this squad is a foretelling of Mass Effect 3 foregoing many major elements of Mass Effect 2 in favor of Mass Effect 1 elements...in this case, the squadmates. The fact that the original fans will be pleased is irrelevant. The point is that there are also fans who love the Mass Effect 2 elements that might be sorely disappointed in Mass Effect 3's direction.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[The Spamming Troll]

i was really surprised when bioware threw us 12 squadies in ME2. initially i thought they did it to give us more variety, or more options for bringing along a tech character to pop open crates, but that wasnt really the case. i do feel bad for those that enjoyed kasumi or jack or whatever, becaseu when i played ME2 i sorely missed having wrex in my squad. i miss alot fo things from ME1, so i can sympathize with the people feeling cheated out of "their" game.

maybe bioware is going to incorporate those squaddies in ME3, to give us more of a familiar element to the game. like feeling at home when i run into jack in ME3. instead of running into NPC #37, itll make me feel more attached to the world bioware created.

but i dont know. all it really makes me think is that the only point to ME2 was arrival. oh well, right?

[Raizo]

Very.

The squad mate issue is the big worry for me. There are certain characters that I have to have access to either on a permanent ( from the moment you recruit them ) access to or at the very least access to them on regular intervals through out ME3's campaign, if ME3 fails to do this then ME3 will be a failure to me no matter how the story goes or how good the shooting bits are.

Less important worries include how exploration will be handled in ME3, the possibility of timed missions/sections in ME3 ( I hate feeling rushed in rpg's ), the fear that a lot of the choices that we have made over the 3 games will be cosmetic and that there won't be enough variables to warrant multiple playthroughs ( and I have no intention of touching multi player so the solo game as to have a lot of replay value ).

Minor worries include the return of tedious mini games like the mining/hacking/bypassing from ME2, ****** poor planet exploration ( the mini Normandy model that we moved around and how we had to constantly by fuel and probes fro it )

[EliDL]

I don't dislike anything I've read of the leaked script. Still eager to play. I'm not a person that has worry/fear/anxiety over a games outcome (I think it's silly) so no I'm not scared. I don't care if they go more shooter and less rpg and I don't get the big deal over indoctrination and the illusive man. I enjoyed both ME1 and ME2 and I will most likely enjoy ME3. If I don't like what I see in the final product, I won't play it.

Modifié par EliDL, 16 décembre 2011 - 08:32 .