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[Goody Two Shoes]

INB4 Cerberus turning on Shepard is bad writing, despite the fact that it was stated dozens of times that they'd eventually betray you.

Modifié par Goody Two Shoes, 14 décembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[TwistedComplex]

Feels like me killing TIM and becoming the new President of Cerberus

Feels good, bro

[darkangelvxvx]

SNascimento wrote...

Not untill I know why they are after Shepard.

wasn't it stated in a few of the release videos?  Cerberus is Indoctrinated.  I think that's a good reason why they're after him.

[GodWood]

If you're genuinely curious visit the Illusive Man thread.

Goody Two Shoes wrote...
INB4 Cerberus turning on Shepard is bad writing, despite the fact that it was stated dozens of times that they'd eventually betray you.

Them betraying Shepard isn't bad writing (per se).
Them betraying Shepard just because is bad writing.

Modifié par GodWood, 14 décembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

All they're doing is moving up Shepard's promotion to leader of Cerberus.

Beats climbing the ranks the old fashioned way. Shame TIM may have to go though.

[Biotic Sage]

Yes, this thread is flamebait.  Shame on you.

I prefer to think of it as the Horn of Saphra. For every second that Saphra does not comment in this thread, my amazement is multiplied by ten.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 14 décembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[AlexXIV]

Oh, bait. Yummy.

They are bad and they should feel bad. On the other hand if my Shep could become leader of Cerberus, I'd probably go for it. Even though there would be some cleaning up to do.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh this should be fun.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Who would like Cerberus? have you seen their uniforms? Ick.

[armass]

Even if youre renegade, and if you liked Cerberus, I can say this: They used you to get what they wanted, now they want you dead.

[Adugan]

Isnt there a thread exactly like this on the front page? OP, be more original with trollbait.

[Lotion Soronarr]

SNascimento wrote...

Not untill I know why they are after Shepard.

Because Sheppard is an idiot?

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...
Seriously even the squadmates who advocated keeping the base basically say later "YOU MADE THE WRONG CHOICE TROLOLOL!"

Which made zero sense whatsoever...and just show (with paragon Sheps redicolous speach) how badly written the whole deal is.

[Ieldra]

Goody Two Shoes wrote...
INB4 Cerberus turning on Shepard is bad writing, despite the fact that it was stated dozens of times that they'd eventually betray you.

The question is: for what? If you give TIM the Collector base, I can see no convincing reason for him for come after Shepard. Even worse is that apparent alliance with the Reapers. That makes no sense at all. Unless TIM is indoctrinated which would be a major letdown and apart from that, then his actions in ME2 make no sense.

It was always very likely that Cerberus wouldn't end up on the same side as Shepard, right from the start, given the way they were introduced in ME1. But I can expect a convincing reason for the change from an untrustworthy ally to an enemy. If a convincing reason is not forthcoming, then it is bad writing.

But in the end, the main reason why I don't like this development is that Cerberus is likely to pull the complete project of human advancement down with them into the black pit of the morally tainted. If ME3 averts that impression and gives me a way to roleplay for "human advancement, non-Cerberus style", then the part of Cerberus that has always intrigued me is saved, and the rest.....can go to hell. 

[AlexXIV]

Well as much as I hate to agree with Lotion, the overarcing plot of ME2 was written badly. Not the single missions and dialogues, but there is next to no logic or common sense in the general story. Why does Shepard join with Cerberus? Why are Joker and Chakwas with Cerberus? Why does Cerberus revive Shepard? Why is Cerberus interested in stopping the Collectors?

It reminds me a bit of Dragon Age when the Wardens say the Blight changes everything. It is really just a cheap plot device to avoid answering uncomfortable questions. So the Reaper threat is there and suddenly everyone can work with anyone and blame it on the reaper threat.

ME2 has about the weakest start of an RPG I have ever seen. Starting with Shep's death/revival and forcing him/her to work with Cerberus without much more of an explaination than 'Cerberus being the only ones doing something'. As if everyone else is on brain vacation. As if Shepard is suddenly not a Council Spectre anymore. As if the Council is not trusting their Spectres with secrets that are to be kept away from the public. The only ones on vacation were probably the writers at this point.

As much as I like ME2 it has been the most disappointing prologue/start into a game ever. And I really hope I don't get the same in ME3 with Cerberus suddenly opposing Shep without any half-way reasonable explaination.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[Darth Death]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Not untill I know why they are after Shepard.

Because Sheppard is an idiot?

Well, he does represent HUMANITY after all... 

[Labrev]

 I think it makes more sense for TIM to betray you if you gave him the base. You think he'd be emboldened and that he can fight you and win. For two, he's never considered you one of his own. In the "Shepard dies" endings he pretty much calls you an idealist. And considering what he's likely planning to do per spoilers, you have to think TIM thought Shepard would be opposed and try to stop him, seeing as Shepard's only goal in life is stopping the Reaper menace anyway.

Shepard is almost the opposite of Kai Leng. He/she worked with aliens to take down Saren. Leng got noticed and recruited by TIM for fiercely anti-alien and pro-human attitudes. If you give him the base, I don't think he sees it as loyalty, just that he talked you into it.

[Darth_Trethon]

The dilemma here is that if you like Cerberus then you are well aware what they're capable of so them turning on you shouldn't be a big shock....more like business as usual. For the most part you can try to argue the necessity of their very damaging action and the fact remains we don't know why they'd try to kill Shepard but it seems to be unrelated to whether or not we handed over the Collector base and knowing the Illusive Man it's probably not just petty grudge/revenge. Hell it may not even be betrayal at all but a scheme to make it look like they're out to get you, after all you did wipe out the collectors in their own home so does the Illusive Man really think his forces can pose a threat to you?

[Aumata]

Bioware can't write a grey organization, and it was obvious that the Mass Effect trilogy doesn't have a good foundation to begin with as turning a small organization to a large one in a span of two months is bizarre. Honestly I have no idea why they even set us up with Cerberus anyway if from the way things are looking like Mass Effect 2 didn't really mean **** to begin with. To be honest it was predictable that Cerberus was going to turn on you but damn did they do about it the wrong way. We couldn't have gotten and indoctrinated army instead we got Cerberus. I was hoping for a faction story line to work with but again it pretty obvious that Mass Effect 2 was more of a side show than anything else.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The dilemma here is that if you like Cerberus then you are well aware what they're capable of so them turning on you shouldn't be a big shock....more like business as usual.

Everyone is capable of betraying you.

Realisticly speaking? No, I wouldn't expect betraly from Cerberus more than anyone else.

From a meta-game perspective? Given Biowares writing? Taht's a different thing.

[Darth_Trethon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The dilemma here is that if you like Cerberus then you are well aware what they're capable of so them turning on you shouldn't be a big shock....more like business as usual.

Everyone is capable of betraying you.

Realisticly speaking? No, I wouldn't expect betraly from Cerberus more than anyone else.

From a meta-game perspective? Given Biowares writing? Taht's a different thing.

We'll have to agree to disagree but Cerberus is ruthless....they'll do anything to get the desired results and if you're in the way of something or another why be shocked they'd try to remove you? Given how large they are and how complex their operations and entaglement in pretty much everyone's business it only seems like a matter of time before Shep got in the way of something Cerberus wanted.

[BlueMagitek]

I expected Cerberus to be a problem in the post-Reaper future, not the immediate Reaper future.

[Dean_the_Young]

GodWood wrote...

If you're genuinely curious visit the Illusive Man thread.

Goody Two Shoes wrote...
INB4 Cerberus turning on Shepard is bad writing, despite the fact that it was stated dozens of times that they'd eventually betray you.

Them betraying Shepard isn't bad writing (per se).
Them betraying Shepard just because is bad writing.

There's also the way they betray him. I mean, imagine if Judas betrayed Jesus by pulling a legion of zombies out of the desert.


Style matters.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

We'll have to agree to disagree but Cerberus is ruthless....they'll do anything to get the desired results and if you're in the way of something or another why be shocked they'd try to remove you? Given how large they are and how complex their operations and entaglement in pretty much everyone's business it only seems like a matter of time before Shep got in the way of something Cerberus wanted.

So will anyone else. Unless you /naively) think the other factions aren't ruthless and don't have ulterior motives?

Cerberus goal is to defeat the reapers and surive - just as everyone else goal is.
Why should anyone expect them to attack you? Just because they are "eeeebil"?