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#201
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Bad King wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

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I expected Cerberus to be a problem in the post-Reaper future, not the immediate Reaper future.

Exactly.

Killing Shepard, the one who can actually stop the reapers, just doesn't make any sense. If anything, they would put all the politics aside and fight alongside the Alliance. THAT would make sense and help this story that is already in deep trouble.


This was what I was hoping- an uncertain and fragile alliance between Cerberus and the Alliance- it would have been an interesting situation. But BioWare needed some sort of secondary enemy in the game so that people wouldn't have to be fighting husks exclusively, so after ME2 they decided to turn Cerberus into antagonists in order to fulfill this need for a secondary enemy (it was almost certainly done for gameplay reasons).


They already had that covered with the Batarian plot buildup of Arrival(which ultimately went nowhere). There was no reason to disregard the lore in order to turn Cerberus into a Reaper allied superpower other than cutting corners,bad writing and fan pandering/wanking.

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Bleachrude wrote...
1. Shepard EXPLICITY mentions that a turian cruiser hols roughly 300 people. Even your figure of 9000 makes no sense since this should be easily replaceable even among the much, much smaller human alliance.


Yes and 30 times 300 is 9,000 not 900, that was the sole purpose of that point.  And I don't disagree it doesn't make sense hence why I offered alternative explanations.

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2. The human council WILL give you back Spectre status and yet you still can go to Illum and Tuchanka and do everything and the worse you get is some "bad comments". Shouldn't the renegade option mean that the races will less likely trust you?


Anderson will give you your status back, and points out the Council won't or can't fight him on it.

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3. The Batarians have been dicks to everyone or did you forget that the Batarians raided/slaved other council races as well? Hell, the council even sided with humans in the Skyliian verge decision even though, it is right outside of batarian space.


They sided with humans to push out the Batarians, yes Batarian pirates have been a problem but I don't recall anything about Council colonies being hit (too far from Batarian space) though I may be wrong and welcome correction.  If the Batarians have been attacking colonies of multiple species (including Council races) and the Council hasn't organized some kind of unified action against them that just paints them a whole new colour of incompetent.

Bleachrude wrote...
And again, Im wondering why giving up your most powerful ship is the smart choice...Really, if anything, the best choice without metagaming would be "save the destiny ascension so it can manoeuvre and get some space to fire its big honking gun that can tear through ANY alliance ship kinetic barrier"


The Destiny Ascension is on it's last legs, it has lost main propulsion (main drive specifically which might mean it's gun won't work either) and kinectic barriers, it's down for a good long while.  More to the point it's got civillians on board were I there and told Hackett to save it (which I do more often than not), I'd pass on a message to the DA to get the hell out of dodge.  When a ship calls for help, on the brink of destruction, you don't expect it to hang around.  That's like me getting beaten to within an inch of my life, being bailed out by a friend, and then jumping into the fight again, it's not going to end well.

Also you have the Council on board and if you think they're going to stick around after nearly getting killed you've got far more faith in them than they deserve.

#203
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Seboist wrote...

They already had that covered with the Batarian plot buildup of Arrival(which ultimately went nowhere). There was no reason to disregard the lore in order to turn Cerberus into a Reaper allied superpower other than cutting corners,bad writing and fan pandering/wanking.


I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script, and if he happens to be indoctrinated, it really shouldn't come as a surprise, considering how he got his cybernetic blue eyes. 

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Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script,


I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Always so predictable.

Don't have a good comeback? Resort to insults!

Such is the Saphra Deden way.

#206
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Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script,


I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Lol yeah and besides Hudson flat out said Cerberus is working for the Reapers when he was demonstrating ME3 one time.

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Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script,


I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Lol yeah and besides Hudson flat out said Cerberus is working for the Reapers when he was demonstrating ME3 one time.


He said TIM actually, not Cerberus. Not sure if that makes a difference though since I didn't read the spoilers.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Always so predictable.

Don't have a good comeback? Resort to insults!

Such is the Saphra Deden way.


Sez the blackest kettle in the galaxy...^_^

#209
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Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script,


I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Lol yeah and besides Hudson flat out said Cerberus is working for the Reapers when he was demonstrating ME3 one time.

Why would he give away such a big part of the story in a demonstration?

#210
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Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Always so predictable.

Don't have a good comeback? Resort to insults!

Such is the Saphra Deden way.

So that makes you his Sith Apprentice, right? Part of the Saphra Dreden Side?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:42 .


#211
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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see anything that proves that your precious Delusive Man is working for the Reapers in the ME3 script,


I guess you don't know how to read then.

Do you just mash your keyboard randomly? Amazing how it works though. I mean it almost seems like I'm talking to a real person sometimes.


Lol yeah and besides Hudson flat out said Cerberus is working for the Reapers when he was demonstrating ME3 one time.

Why would he give away such a big part of the story in a demonstration?


Because he's a hack? Based of what I've heard from those boards they also spoiled that Garrus was archangel and that Subject Zero/Jack was a woman pre-ME2 release as well.

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If Cerberus wants to kill me, then our ways must part. And thats about it

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C9316 wrote...

Flame Bait? Flame Bait...


Flame Bait Spectacular

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Cerberus will use you as long as you are useful enough for them to stand any trouble you cause. It's basic politics.

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Seboist wrote...

Bad King wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I expected Cerberus to be a problem in the post-Reaper future, not the immediate Reaper future.

Exactly.

Killing Shepard, the one who can actually stop the reapers, just doesn't make any sense. If anything, they would put all the politics aside and fight alongside the Alliance. THAT would make sense and help this story that is already in deep trouble.


This was what I was hoping- an uncertain and fragile alliance between Cerberus and the Alliance- it would have been an interesting situation. But BioWare needed some sort of secondary enemy in the game so that people wouldn't have to be fighting husks exclusively, so after ME2 they decided to turn Cerberus into antagonists in order to fulfill this need for a secondary enemy (it was almost certainly done for gameplay reasons).


They already had that covered with the Batarian plot buildup of Arrival(which ultimately went nowhere). There was no reason to disregard the lore in order to turn Cerberus into a Reaper allied superpower other than cutting corners,bad writing and fan pandering/wanking.

 


Well its good to know that I'm not the only  one that  was blind to this... not that I trusted  ever trusted  TIM at all .  Yet complete face heel turn and working with the Reapers  that was head scratching moment. Especailly after  reading the prequel comic where  they made it pretty clear that he  start Cerberus to get human ready for the Reaper threat and any others along the way. Then to have a whole game where pretty much push him as that  "you know can't trust him but your going to need him guy."    Looking back on it makes the Plot of ME 2 look someone did nothing think this all the way through.