Luc0s wrote...
Sure, Miranda is designed to be perfect, but how perfect is she really? I haven't seen anything in Mass Effect that demonstrates her perfectness, thus how perfect she REALLY is remains unknown.
So your arguments are just speculation. To say she's great at everything, is just your speculation. What I say, are facts. It's a FACT that Samara and Jack are better in biotics than Miranda. it's a FACT that Tali and Legion are better in tech than Miranda.
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Perfect enough to be the top Cerberus operative. The problem here is you don't seen to acknowledge anything people say about Miranda as truth. People say she is intelligent, you say it's not true untill she does some kind of text and proves she is intelligent. The game says she is a superior soldier, you say she isn't because you didn't see her in a mission alone. And like this it's going to be difficult to argue.
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Luc0s wrote...
Miranda isn't a soldier, she's not smarter than Liara, Liara also has acces to tech powers in ME1 and I don't think Miranda is more resilent than Liara.
Again, the idea that Miranda is smarter and more resilent than Liara is pure SPECULATION on your part. But I beg to differ.
Also, Liara is most likely far more advanced in biotic powers than Miranda is. Liara also has far more life experience than Miranda (she's 108 years old) and Liara is an academic, so I think Liara is also smarter than Miranda. Also, Liara is the Shadow Broker now, so that means Liara has more intel and resources than Miranda (possibly even more than the whole of Cerberus).
I think Liara wins from Miranda on almost every single subject.
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Miranda isn't a soldier, what I meant is that she has better skills than Liara when it comes to a pure firefight. Why? Because while Miranda was trained since childhood and worked for Cerberus for more than a decade (not to mention her genetic engineering), Liara wasn't engage in combat on a constant basis untill she was recruited by Shepard.
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About being smarter, it comes down to what I said earlier: that are multiple people that say how intelligent she is. And because she was MADE to be a genius, of course she will be more intelligent than everybody but a few poeple (considering squadmates, only Mordin is more intelligent than Miranda).
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That is important point, Miranda was "manufactured". That is why she is going to be more resiliant, smarter and stronger than Liara. I know, she is a superior HUMAN, but as far as what we are considering, there is little difference between an Asari and a human.
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Luc0s wrote...
Or the story-writers didn't give these lines from the SB much thought and just used the same line for both Jacob and Miranda because they're both Cerberus agents.
I don't think you should look to much into it. The SB lines aren't important lore, they're more like "easter eggs".
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They are not "easter eggs", they should be taken seriously. But I agree that the fact it's a DLC bring some issues.
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Luc0s wrote...
]Respect? No. Usefulness? Yes. But that doesn't mean she's stronger than Shepard's other squad members. It's just that Miranda is more useful to the SB than Shepard's other squad members (who most likely would never ever wanna join the SB in the first place).
Just because the SB sees more use in Miranda's abilities than, for example, Samara's abilities, doesn't mean Miranda would win a 1vs1 fight against Samara. Personally, I think Samara would whoop the floor with Miranda in a real fight. Miranda doesn't stand a chance against Samara, at least that's what I think, based on what I've seen from both characters in ME2.
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Ok, at least you recognized that.
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I'm not saying this is the reason why I think Miranda is the most effective of all Shepard crew, but this is one things that makes me more confident I can be right, or at least I can defend my ideas. I'm not trying to impose my conclusion, just explain how I got there.
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Why do you think the SB sees Miranda as useful asset? It's not because she is weak and dumb, it's because she has a lot of huge qualities.
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Luc0s wrote...
I think the list of Cerberus' blunders is bigger than Cerberus' victories.
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So I wouldn't say EDI is a succes for Cerberus. She betrayed them. Not a succes for TIM and his little club.
But lets not go of topic and talk about Cerberus and EDI, lets stay on topic and talk about the characters and Miranda.
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I erased your spoilers without even reading it... hope you don't mind. Let's just focus on what we all know.
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And EDI is considered a success the moment Shepard completes the suicide mission, that was why it was created. EDI effectivess is proven in the collector vessel, in Horizon, in the Collector's surprise attack, not by who she serves in the end of the game.
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And the Lazarus Project? Rebuilding the Normandy? Two huge projects developed by Cerberus, one by Miranda herself.
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Luc0s wrote...
Wut? Proper English plz?
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What I meant is: saying being Cerberus's top agent doesn't vouch for Miranda's skill is like saying being a spectre doesn't mean you are a distinguished solider.
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Luc0s wrote...
Oh and SNascimentom, one more important thing:
Miranda is designed to be the perfect HUMAN.
Being a perfect HUMAN doesn't mean you're stronger than a KROGAN, or smarter than a SALARIAN, or wiser than an ASARI. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
Think about that.
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Yes, I already mentioned this earlir this post. But given the fact humanity seens to be the "best" species in the galaxy, it means a lot to be a superior human.
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The thing that must be clear about Miranda is that because she was made, you can't argue about her qualities. She has a genius level of intelligence, she is stronger than a normal human, her biotics are very advanced, and so on.
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If this makes her Shepard's best squadmate is up to discussion, but the qualities themselves are not.
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I guess that is good for now.
Modifié par SNascimento, 17 décembre 2011 - 09:28 .
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