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[Darth_Trethon]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd go with Wrex or Samara.

Provided that Legion allows them to even flinch before perforating their skulls....I doubt he'd do that.

[Darth_Trethon]

1136342t54 wrote...

Legion was able to resist a being that was specifically able to create a machine apocalypse (Overlord) Legion cannot be hacked by Tali in no way. Even Quarians understand that only Geth with limited intelligence can be hacked. Legion has more programs than most Geth so hacking Legion temporarily will likely not work.

He didn't resist, he hadn't been attacked yet....he himself admitted the virus was being prepared to be used on the geth but it had not yet been. As for Tali....she can figure out any mechanism including Legion...you grossly underestimate her capabilities.

[Reptillius]

To Me. For sheer physical force and how it's applied. I have to go with Wrex. Grunt is close behind but Wrex beats him out because of experience and that experience would in the end cause Wrex to stop Grunt into the dust. Even as Pure as he is.

Raw destructive power through things like Biotics. I'm torn between Samara and Morinth. It's hard to say who would win all by themselves for me. They are very simular to each other. The time we've seen them go up against each other they were rather evenly matched. jack's great but she comes in behind these two i think because she's just too unfocused with all the power she has in ME2. Kaidan on the other hand because of his past is a little too controlled to really show us how destructive he can be.

And for Tactical Capability... I have to go with Thane and Legion. Thane has lived a life where thinks out everything several moves ahead. Even potential outside interference from other groups to accomplish his goals. And Legion approaches things in a rather calculated manner and is quick to alter what he was doing when necessary and adapt to situations extremely quickly. A ShowDown between these two like between two top skilled Snipers in the real world would be very long and drawn out and all about which one slipped up first. It's anybodies game.

Modifié par Reptillius, 14 décembre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Reptillius wrote...

And for Tactical Capability... I have to go with Thane and Legion. Thane has lived a life where thinks out everything several moves ahead. Even potential outside interference from other groups to accomplish his goals. And Legion approaches things in a rather calculated manner and is quick to alter what he was doing when necessary and adapt to situations extremely quickly. A ShowDown between these two like between two top skilled Snipers in the real world would be very long and drawn out and all about which one slipped up first. It's anybodies game.

Legion would easily outlast Thane....he doesn't get tired, doesn't need food or sleep and so on.

[Reptillius]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

And for Tactical Capability... I have to go with Thane and Legion. Thane has lived a life where thinks out everything several moves ahead. Even potential outside interference from other groups to accomplish his goals. And Legion approaches things in a rather calculated manner and is quick to alter what he was doing when necessary and adapt to situations extremely quickly. A ShowDown between these two like between two top skilled Snipers in the real world would be very long and drawn out and all about which one slipped up first. It's anybodies game.

Legion would easily outlast Thane....he doesn't get tired, doesn't need food or sleep and so on.

Very True... but there are ways he could potentially slip up... even with those advantages.  It might not be food or sleep that ends up being the deciding factor.

[JRCHOharry]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Do you mean "strongest endurance" (takes most punishment and continues) I woudl say Legion.

What about my big goddamn hero Zaeed?!

Being shot in the chest is nothing like being shot in the face by your former best friend!

[HadenHanibal]

Lets see basing off skill sets not feats:

Tali has it up on all of the characters who have shields, those being Miranda(I think), Legion, Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Kasumi, Zaheed. Though she'd have trouble dealing with Miranda and Garrus due to their ability to overload her omni-tool, but if her shield goes down she can simply steal theirs leaving them defenseless to her overcharged Geth Plasma shotgun, if of course she got close enough to Legion Garrus or Ash (assuming she still uses a sniper rifle). Tali's immune system does present an issue, though it's assumed that she could easily and more quickly adapt to changing conditions (due to her relationship with shepard yielding only flu like symptoms) It's assumed her immune system may be slightly better, and the allergic reaction wouldn't be as prominent. However if the opponents are using Modded rounds, such as Chemical rounds (ME1) Garrus or Ash could easily overpower her, while the use of Incendiary rounds armor piercing, Shredder or warp ammunition would seem clumsy at best., Phasic or disruptor rounds would seem more of an appropriate choice.

Samara has a hand up on any of the barrier and armor users, meaning Wrex, Liara, Morinth, Jacob, Grunt, and Jack. Though she would struggle with the others due to her natural skill inability to tear down shields, and her weapons of choice being automatics.

Morinth and Mordin would probably have the easiest of times dealing with the organic members of the crew. Morinth could easily subdue the more "primal-minded" or easily distracted individuals, being Jack, Grunt, Garrus, Liara, or Tali and use them to do her bidding. However those at peace with their lives, such as, Kasumi, Zaheed, Wrex, Thane, Samara, and Jacob would be a much more difficult challenge for her to overcome.

Mordin on the other hand could easily disable them all causing them to convulse with Neural Shock, and picking them off at his leisure, however enemies like Legion would easily manhandle him. His melee talents should not be discounted either, as stated he killed a Krogan with a pitchfork.

Liara while powerful she is still "a child" by Asari standards. She would easily be able to handle individuals on either side of the spectrum, but if overwhelmed by one of the "controller types," Tali, Morinth, or Legion would easily take her down. Sniper types like Garrus, Legion and Thane could hold their own at a distance, but stasis could easily allow her to close the gap, and quickly.

Miranda and Kaiden both have a slew of skills at their disposal, and being a "Sentinel type" they could easily fight all that would attack them. Though overcoming them would be a direct challenge. Not being directly stronger, or weak against any type in particular, aside from armored, their only true challenge would come from Grunt, as neither of them possess quick enough re-firing powers to strip his armor fast enough to break down his fortified armor.

Jack and Wrex are more of a "Vanguard type" being melee/close ranged oriented biotics. Their powers would be more focused on stripping armor and barriers, but shielded opponents would give them the most trouble. Legion in particular would be a difficult challenge for Jack, as he can easily out range her and regenerate his shield quickly. Wrex on the other hand is more accustom to fighting at range. While his weaker biotics, but much higher constitution (due to being a Krogan) would easily be able to absorb just about any attack thrown at him.

Jacob, while my least favorite character does possess powerful skills, but lacks any general direction. Much the same as Miranda. However, his barrier ability does and will allow him to shrug off more difficult enemies, and would prove a challenge against armored opponents such as Grunt. If Miranda and Jacob were teamed they would prove to be a force to be reckoned with, as they would easily feed of one another's abilities.

Kasumi, while not a direct combatant can handle herself in a fight, and is fairly well rounded to do so. Her flashbang and cloak abilities specifically allow her to hide, and disorient any enemies she comes across, leaving her in much the same boat as Jacob, Miranda and Mordin, only slightly quicker.

Garrus is probably the best for taking down soldier or science types, being Grunt, Mordin, Tali, Kasumi or Zaheed. His talents wrap around armor and shield penetration, and collapsing synthetics, so in a fight between Legion and Garrus, it would quickly turn into a "better shot" war of attrition, we all know Garrus however can survive being shot, but the same can be said for Legion, who took a high-powered rifle round to the chest plate, that tore out his back.

As stated before Garrus and Tali would likely be fighting a closing ground battle, as both of them would have to get close to utilize their shield crippling abilities, but Tali would need to be far closer, and have access to a greater amount of cover, due to her close range shotgun oriented combat. However, if Garrus neglects her explosive drone, and it closes on him, it could easily detonate, giving her the opportunity to close the gap.

Thane while powerful, would have to get the element of surprise to be able to drop 90% of his opponents. His ammo power is more centralized on killing organics outright, which is troubling since most of the combatants are armored, shielded or have biotic barriers. Without the element of surprise he can't bring his "perfect headshot" into play. Humans specifically, if he can close in on them could easily be attended to, but Turian, Krogan and Quarian opponents would give him a challenge due to their "plated skin," or exo-suit wearing natural standing point.


Grunt is a freight train of Krogan rage and adolescent fury. While he could easily be distracted, through deep seeded promises of pleasure, and it is noted that he has a thing for Asari women granted by the viewing or Asari pornography (Dossier in Shadowbroker DLC) he is very difficult to sway in combat. He is often noted for being unfocused out of combat if easily ambushed he could be overtaken quickly. However his "perfect Krogan" nature would allow him to fight back, at least, somewhat. Grunt is more centrally focused on fighting individuals similar to him, heavily armored, and his rushing skills are undoubtedly powerful, but is often hasty and reckless.

Zaheed while a salty old goon, does have the hand up on attending to shielded and armored opponents. His only weakness would be close ranged combatants where he cant utilize his inferno grenades, and enemies that utilize Biotic barriers, meaning Jack, specifically, would be his toughest enemy.  But as he says, "Rage is one hell of an anestetic."

Modifié par HadenHanibal, 14 décembre 2011 - 08:44 .

[DarthCaine]

From most to least:

Wrex
Jack
Samara
Morinth
Grunt
Zaeed
Liara
Garrus
Thane
Miranda
Legion
Jacob
Mordin
Ashley
Kaidan
Kasumi
Tali

[DoNotTrololo]

DarthCaine wrote...

From most to least:

Wrex
Jack
Samara
Morinth
Grunt
Zaeed
Liara
Garrus
Thane
Miranda
Legion
Jacob
Mordin
Ashley
Kaidan
Kasumi
Tali

'Kay, Miranda better than Mordin and Kasumi would have had me rolling my eyes and just shrugging, no comment.



But Miranda better than LEGION? Do you want me to find you and hit you? Cease this madness, blasphemer!

[DarthCaine]

Most people seem to be confusing the word "strongest" with "favorite".

Miranda was engineered to be perfect. That includes combat.

Legion is just a geth, like the hundreds you've already killed. The only difference is people seem to go "OMFG IT'S LEGION HE'S THE COOLEST I WANNA HAVE HIS BABIES".

Kasumi is just a thief, that doesn't include combat skills.

Mordin is mainly a doctor, and for defending he relied mostly on tech.

I'm talking from a story perspective, not actual gameplay.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 décembre 2011 - 08:56 .

[Mecha Tengu]

in game, legion is the only squadmate capable of actually killing enemies

the rest fire a few shots and hide back in cover, but legion's sniper rips through enemies, does amazing damage to minibosses, and even performed several headshtos on YMIR big mechs

[darkangelvxvx]

HadenHanibal wrote...

Lets see basing off skill sets not feats:

Tali has it up on all of the characters who have shields, those being Miranda(I think), Legion, Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Kasumi, Zaheed. Though she'd have trouble dealing with Miranda and Garrus due to their ability to overload her omni-tool, but if her shield goes down she can simply steal theirs leaving them defenseless to her overcharged Geth Plasma shotgun, if of course she got close enough to Legion Garrus or Ash (assuming she still uses a sniper rifle). Tali's immune system does present an issue, though it's assumed that she could easily and more quickly adapt to changing conditions (due to her relationship with shepard yielding only flu like symptoms) It's assumed her immune system may be slightly better, and the allergic reaction wouldn't be as prominent. However if the opponents are using Modded rounds, such as Chemical rounds (ME1) Garrus or Ash could easily overpower her, while the use of Incendiary rounds armor piercing, Shredder or warp ammunition would seem clumsy at best., Phasic or disruptor rounds would seem more of an appropriate choice.

Samara has a hand up on any of the barrier and armor users, meaning Wrex, Liara, Morinth, Jacob, Grunt, and Jack. Though she would struggle with the others due to her natural skill inability to tear down shields, and her weapons of choice being automatics.

Morinth and Mordin would probably have the easiest of times dealing with the organic members of the crew. Morinth could easily subdue the more "primal-minded" or easily distracted individuals, being Jack, Grunt, Garrus, Liara, or Tali and use them to do her bidding. However those at peace with their lives, such as, Kasumi, Zaheed, Wrex, Thane, Samara, and Jacob would be a much more difficult challenge for her to overcome.

Mordin on the other hand could easily disable them all causing them to convulse with Neural Shock, and picking them off at his leisure, however enemies like Legion would easily manhandle him. His melee talents should not be discounted either, as stated he killed a Krogan with a pitchfork.

Liara while powerful she is still "a child" by Asari standards. She would easily be able to handle individuals on either side of the spectrum, but if overwhelmed by one of the "controller types," Tali, Morinth, or Legion would easily take her down. Sniper types like Garrus, Legion and Thane could hold their own at a distance, but stasis could easily allow her to close the gap, and quickly.

Miranda and Kaiden both have a slew of skills at their disposal, and being a "Sentinel type" they could easily fight all that would attack them. Though overcoming them would be a direct challenge. Not being directly stronger, or weak against any type in particular, aside from armored, their only true challenge would come from Grunt, as neither of them possess quick enough re-firing powers to strip his armor fast enough to break down his fortified armor.

Jack and Wrex are more of a "Vanguard type" being melee/close ranged oriented biotics. Their powers would be more focused on stripping armor and barriers, but shielded opponents would give them the most trouble. Legion in particular would be a difficult challenge for Jack, as he can easily out range her and regenerate his shield quickly. Wrex on the other hand is more accustom to fighting at range. While his weaker biotics, but much higher constitution (due to being a Krogan) would easily be able to absorb just about any attack thrown at him.

Jacob, while my least favorite character does possess powerful skills, but lacks any general direction. Much the same as Miranda. However, his barrier ability does and will allow him to shrug off more difficult enemies, and would prove a challenge against armored opponents such as Grunt. If Miranda and Jacob were teamed they would prove to be a force to be reckoned with, as they would easily feed of one another's abilities.

Kasumi, while not a direct combatant can handle herself in a fight, and is fairly well rounded to do so. Her flashbang and cloak abilities specifically allow her to hide, and disorient any enemies she comes across, leaving her in much the same boat as Jacob, Miranda and Mordin, only slightly quicker.

Garrus is probably the best for taking down soldier or science types, being Grunt, Mordin, Tali, Kasumi or Zaheed. His talents wrap around armor and shield penetration, and collapsing synthetics, so in a fight between Legion and Garrus, it would quickly turn into a "better shot" war of attrition, we all know Garrus however can survive being shot, but the same can be said for Legion, who took a high-powered rifle round to the chest plate, that tore out his back.

As stated before Garrus and Tali would likely be fighting a closing ground battle, as both of them would have to get close to utilize their shield crippling abilities, but Tali would need to be far closer, and have access to a greater amount of cover, due to her close range shotgun oriented combat. However, if Garrus neglects her explosive drone, and it closes on him, it could easily detonate, giving her the opportunity to close the gap.

Thane while powerful, would have to get the element of surprise to be able to drop 90% of his opponents. His ammo power is more centralized on killing organics outright, which is troubling since most of the combatants are armored, shielded or have biotic barriers. Without the element of surprise he can't bring his "perfect headshot" into play. Humans specifically, if he can close in on them could easily be attended to, but Turian, Krogan and Quarian opponents would give him a challenge due to their "plated skin," or exo-suit wearing natural standing point.


Grunt is a freight train of Krogan rage and adolescent fury. While he could easily be distracted, through deep seeded promises of pleasure, and it is noted that he has a thing for Asari women granted by the viewing or Asari pornography (Dossier in Shadowbroker DLC) he is very difficult to sway in combat. He is often noted for being unfocused out of combat if easily ambushed he could be overtaken quickly. However his "perfect Krogan" nature would allow him to fight back, at least, somewhat. Grunt is more centrally focused on fighting individuals similar to him, heavily armored, and his rushing skills are undoubtedly powerful, but is often hasty and reckless.

Zaheed while a salty old goon, does have the hand up on attending to shielded and armored opponents. His only weakness would be close ranged combatants where he cant utilize his inferno grenades, and enemies that utilize Biotic barriers, meaning Jack, specifically, would be his toughest enemy.  But as he says, "Rage is one hell of an anestetic."

this.  All of this.

[The Elder King]

I'd say Wrex, hands down.

[DoNotTrololo]

DarthCaine wrote...

Most people seem to be confusing the word "strongest" with "favorite".

Miranda was engineered to be perfect. That includes combat. Legion is just a geth, like the hundreds you've already killed. The only difference is people seem to go "OMFG IT'S LEGION HE'S THE COOLEST I WANNA HAVE HIS BABIES".

I'm talking from a story perspective, not actual gameplay

Miranda was engineered to be her father. If she was perfect, she wouldn't fail to hold a biotic bubble like her fellow human Jack can, or at least she'd know, in her perfect intelligence, that her biotics weren't quite perfect enough to hold that bubble, and thus she would not volunteer.


She would also know in her perfect level of reading people, that her dear childhood friend had betrayed her to her father. She'd also be able to read that Asari's body language perfectly, and know she was about to off her friend before she did.


If she was truly perfect, she'd have enough sense to wear perfect armour, and not 1/10" thick latex honeycomb. Or does she think she's perfect enough to dodge out of the way of near-relativistic bullets?


Note, this isn't an attack on Miranda. It's an attack on you for thinking that because some arrogant @sshat thought that by giving his daughter large "assets" and his exact DNA, that he was making her perfect, it automatically makes her a supersoldier. Protip: She's not.





Ah, and Kasumi's skills as a thief are damn near identical to those of an assassin. Mordin's incinerate isn't just a gameplay feature, boy-o, it's a weapon that he uses frequently in combat, gameplay, story, any setting. He also single-handedly defends his clinic from powerful merc bands and bandit raids; You conveniently forgot he is ex-STG. As in, he lived long enough to quit. Dangerous man, dangerous man.


And need I mention Legion's perfect headshot calculations, both as a gamer and as a real-life sniper? Though, you probably missed that part.

Modifié par DoNotTrololo, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:00 .

[The Elder King]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

in game, legion is the only squadmate capable of actually killing enemies

the rest fire a few shots and hide back in cover, but legion's sniper rips through enemies, does amazing damage to minibosses, and even performed several headshtos on YMIR big mechs

As much as I love Legion, he has the Widow. If Garrus, Thane and Zaeed have the Widow, they could do a lot of damage too.

[The Elder King]

DoNotTrololo wrote...





Miranda was engineered to be her father. If she was perfect, she wouldn't fail to hold a biotic bubble like her fellow human Jack can, or at least she'd know, in her perfect intelligence, that her biotics weren't quite perfect enough to hold that bubble, and thus she would not volunteer.


She would also know in her perfect level of reading people, that her dear childhood friend had betrayed her to her father. She'd also be able to read that Asari's body language perfectly, and know she was about to off her friend before she did.


If she was truly perfect, she'd have enough sense to wear perfect armour, and not 1/10" thick latex honeycomb. Or does she think she's perfect enough to dodge out of the way of near-relativistic bullets?


Note, this isn't an attack on Miranda. It's an attack on you for thinking that because some arrogant @sshat thought that by giving his daughter large "assets" and his exact DNA, that he was making her perfect, it automatically makes her a supersoldier. Protip: She's not.

Miranda's father didn't want to create a super-soldier, otherwise he would've created a male.
About her biotic, she's quite advanced for a human, but her father didn't make experiment to enhance her biotics after she was born. Jack suffered a lot of experiment to make her a beast (a biotic "super-soldier" to be used in war), and she had probably more potential than Miranda as a biotic.

[DoNotTrololo]

Both true, hhh, I'm just trying to get DC to understand that just because Miranda's father designed her to be his idea of "perfect", doesn't mean she instantly wins all one-on-one fights with any other entity in the galaxy.

[MisterJB]

DoNotTrololo wrote...
Note, this isn't an attack on Miranda. It's an attack on you for thinking that because some arrogant @sshat thought that by giving his daughter large "assets" and his exact DNA, that he was making her perfect, it automatically makes her a supersoldier. Protip: She's not.

Correction, she was also given attributes that would later enhance all of a human's normal skill set. She is more intelligent, stronger, faster, heals faster, will live longer and also has very powerful biotics...for a human. Depending on your criteria, she could be considered a supersoldier.
With that being said, I am not claiming she is the strongest squadmate.

[Ryzaki]

DarthCaine wrote...

Most people seem to be confusing the word "strongest" with "favorite".

Miranda was engineered to be perfect. That includes combat.

Legion is just a geth, like the hundreds you've already killed. The only difference is people seem to go "OMFG IT'S LEGION HE'S THE COOLEST I WANNA HAVE HIS BABIES".

Kasumi is just a thief, that doesn't include combat skills.

Mordin is mainly a doctor, and for defending he relied mostly on tech.

I'm talking from a story perspective, not actual gameplay.

Samara's more powerful than Jack. Samara has more control and can use her power more effectively than Jack can.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Niulus Kriyk]

DarthCaine wrote...

Mordin is mainly a doctor, and for defending he relied mostly on tech.

Mordin is STG, you know, the salarian equivalent of the CIA.

I'll say Liara is the strongest. *cough* plot armor *cough*

[SNascimento]

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
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Wrex would kill both though.
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And Miranda would kill Wrex.

[Il Divo]

I'd probably put Wrex at the top.

[jtav]

Stand up fight: Wrex

Can kill you in the highest number of ways: Miranda

Really, it depends on the circumstances of the fight.